Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

..replace the boilers ..with nuke propulsion..

Tsavo Lion wrote:

..replace the boilers ..with nuke propulsion..

They had to cut a big hole in the bottom of the icebreaker Lenin to replace a faulty reactor; I don't think they would do it on the Adm K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_(1957_icebreaker)#Nuclear_accidents
https://helion-ltd.ru/unloading-nuclear-installation/

It would cost too much $ & time & is not worth the trouble.
If a CVN & its CBG goes to S. America, it'll be very vulnerable to new US LR AShMs. Better to send SSGNs, CGNs & DDGs armed with SAMs, AShMs & LACMs; CAPs can be done from Cuban, Nicaraguan &/ Venezulan AFBs. The USN can afford to forward deploy a mid-age CVN in Japan & lose it to PRC, RF or NK, knowing it will still have 10 other CVNs + 1-2 older CVs kept in reserve; the VMF doesn't have that luxury.  

GarryB wrote:Nuclear power plants have previously been built into vessels from the design stage, but new more modern nuclear power plants are becoming smaller and more modular and could be placed almost anywhere you want in an all electric design because it is just basically a battery, so you could locate it any where you like... whereas with existing designs it was generally directly connected to the transmission and gearing attached to the end of some rather long and heavy shafts attached to propellers at the rear of the ship... not very flexible at all.

With new engine pods and electrical drive, you could put the NPP anywhere you wanted... the only connection to the engine pods would be power cables...

..you cannot just take a reactor and stick it in there, you would need to redesign the whole interior of the vessel and in the case of this carrier simply too expensive, not feasible and not worth it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Again you are wrong that isn't how it works Garry. Live with it, The Russians looked into doing that and said it wasn't worth it at all with how much redesign work they would need to do.

You can try and type allllll you want but that doesn't make you any more right than before, nor am I going to sit here and argue because you want to believe that's possible.

You cannot taker a Reactor stick it in the Kurz and connect it like a battery PERIOD.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Again you are wrong that isn't how it works Garry. Live with it, The Russians looked into doing that and said it wasn't worth it at all with how much redesign work they would need to do.

You can try and type allllll you want but that doesn't make you any more right than before, nor am I going to sit here and argue because you want to believe that's possible.

You cannot taker a Reactor stick it in the Kurz and connect it like a battery PERIOD.

Well, I do not believe it could not be done, just it is probably not worth and would cost more time and money than starting with a new hull.

Opening the hull of Kuz and removing the whole propulsion system plus shafts etc would require years of work, before even starting to think about the new propulsion system and fitting out.

In this time, if you have an available shipyard with a big drydock you can build a new hull for a modern nuclear carrier where all the internal spaces are optimized for the dedicated propulsion systems and for modern electrical and weapon systems.

Kuznetov can remain a very useful ship even after commissioning 2 modern nuclear powered carriers, especially, but not only for training.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Again you are wrong that isn't how it works Garry. Live with it, The Russians looked into doing that and said it wasn't worth it at all with how much redesign work they would need to do.

You can try and type allllll you want but that doesn't make you any more right than before, nor am I going to sit here and argue because you want to believe that's possible.

You cannot taker a Reactor stick it in the Kurz and connect it like a battery PERIOD.

Well, I do not believe it could not be done, just it is probably not worth and would cost more time and money than starting with a new hull.

Opening the hull of Kuz and removing the whole propulsion system plus shafts etc would require years of work, before even starting to think about the new propulsion system and fitting out.

In this time, if you have an available shipyard with a big drydock you can build a new hull for a modern nuclear carrier where all the internal spaces are optimized for the dedicated propulsion systems and for modern electrical and weapon systems.

Kuznetov can remain a very useful ship even after commissioning 2 modern nuclear powered carriers, especially, but not only for training.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Again you are wrong that isn't how it works Garry. Live with it, The Russians looked into doing that and said it wasn't worth it at all with how much redesign work they would need to do.

You can try and type allllll you want but that doesn't make you any more right than before, nor am I going to sit here and argue because you want to believe that's possible.

You cannot taker a Reactor stick it in the Kurz and connect it like a battery PERIOD.

Well, I do not believe it could not be done, just it is probably not worth and would cost more time and money than starting with a new hull.

Opening the hull of Kuz and removing the whole propulsion system plus shafts etc would require years of work, before even starting to think about the new propulsion system and fitting out.

In this time, if you have an available shipyard with a big drydock you can build a new hull for a modern nuclear carrier where all the internal spaces are optimized for the dedicated propulsion systems and for modern electrical and weapon systems.

Kuznetov can remain a very useful ship even after commissioning 2 modern nuclear powered carriers, especially, but not only for training.

GarryB wrote:

The Kuz is not made for a Nuclear Reactor they would need to re-wire, redo most of the ship internally for that to work a nuclear powered ship aree a lot more complex then you understand. You clearly know jack shit about the construction of nuclear ships, so do yourself a favor and stop while your ahead. Because you are starting to embarrass yourself.

Have you been around a lot of loud gunfire recently and you are feeling a bit thick... I am not talking about making the ship nuclear powered in the conventional traditional sense... that would still involve shafts and transmissions and gears and the nuclear power plant would need to be placed in a very specific location, which in the case of the Kuznetsov being a non nuclear powered carrier might not be convenient or even possible.

I am talking about converting it to an all electric design using multiple NPPs to provide the power supply... there are no Russian or Soviet nuclear powered subs or ships with just one reactor... they are all using more than one reactor, so this was never going to be strip out the boilers and gas turbines and pop in a single NPP.

They can't just put the reactor in there and plug it in, that's not how it works, the reactor would need to be integrated with the entire ship for safety reasons, power reasons, The electronics on the kuz aren't designed for that, they would need to swamp out most of the wires, circuits etc.

Of course because the old electrics were designed for A positive, and nuclear powered electricity is O negative... but all of the electrical cables and sensors and systems need to be replaced anyway... most of that shit is probably older than you....

BTW stop doing that crap where you start ranting about stuff I never said to try and prove your point. do that again, I am going to an Admin. If you want to remark about something I said sure, but you need to stop trying to manipulate my words and you do it a lot.

You are not the only person I am replying to, but if I suggest you are saying something you are not how about be a man and just clearly state as such, I am not a mind reader but when you make some claims or comments it suggests certain things... if I spell those things out and they are not what you mean, how about instead of crying like a little girl or running to daddy, you just say that is not what you meant and perhaps be a bit more clear about what you really did mean.

Also yes they did but that took years. They had to redesign the entire ship inside and out and had huge costs and time delays, the fact you are trying to use that as an example when it goes against what your saying is odd.

In terms of global reach the Kuznetsov is much better than nothing, but could also use some serious improvements.... nuclear propulsion being one, and seeing as how it is very likely their new build CVs... whether they are tiny shitty little helicopter carriers like GD wants or decent bigger more useful platforms like the Russian Navy has said it wants, it is pretty certain they will be nuclear powered... so why not test them out on a ship that by the time they start ripping the guts out of wont be hugely useful for very much because the new carriers will be totally different except in the sense that they also carry aircraft.

Put some EMALS test cats on there too...

Again Garry they COULD but they won't and aren't going to. The dam Russian navy looked at that option and ruled it out already no one here is SAYING it cannot be done, just that it won't be done.

Now you admit they looked at doing what you say is impossible????

They listened to a blabbering idiot moron like me who has no idea and they actually considered it...

But all this pointless crap I am spouting that is embarrassing me... they thought it was worth investigating...

Now be a grown up and drop it, your wrong now move on.

But if I am ignorant and am happy to embarrass myself, does that not suggest I am not an adult...

I didn't realise this was your website and this thread about the Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov was not for discussing said vessel... this really is embarrassing.

But if you said they considered converting it to nuclear propulsion how about you give us more specifics... were they looking at converting it to an all electric drive with nuclear power generation systems located throughout the ship... I mean if they remove the Granits... that would actually be an ideal place to put one or two NPP modules because it must already be seriously firewalled and separated from the rest of the ship and it is not close to the aircraft hangar so there is no chance for using the space for extra aircraft embarked.

Or were they just planning to rip out the old drivetrain and power systems and drop in a NPP and connect it up to the screws?

Show us all how grown up you are and how you can have an adult mature conversation... even to us children.

It is not working yet which makes it an aircraft transport barge...