Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Hmm but Interfax wrote same about scope of work. What was reduced then? (boilers, radars , battle mgmt systems, CIWS)?

As for drydock well, Russian shipyards need to have large drydocks anyway.  Otherwise no large ships can be maintained in the future.

Vladimir79 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Hmm but Interfax wrote same about scope of work. What was reduced then? (boilers, radars , battle mgmt systems, CIWS)?

As for drydock well, Russian shipyards need to have large drydocks anyway.  Otherwise no large ships can be maintained in the future.

According to the article nothing will be modernised, it will only be refurbished.  

If the future deck fighter is a VTOL then it looks like the plan is to operate no ship larger than a Mistral LPH.

In the 1980s, at the northern tip of Cape Chalmpushka in the Kola Bay, preparatory work began on the construction of a dry dock for the promising aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk

“Not everyone considers the continuation of repair expedient,” the Izvestia interlocutor in the military department noted. “There are different opinions, including those that make it better to build a pair of frigates or a nuclear submarine with this money,” he added.

In the opinion of the editor’s interlocutor, the Kuznetsov, if it returns to the line, will most likely be used as a training ship and will not be sent on long hikes.

“Perhaps it would be optimal to transfer it to the Black Sea, where, due to better climatic conditions, the Kuznetsov could more effectively perform the tasks of a training aircraft carrier, but this makes sense only if a fundamental decision is made to order a new aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy.” noted interlocutor

According to the expert, the prospects for deck aviation are currently linked, in addition to improving the recently delivered deck-based MiG-29, with the continued development of a new aircraft on the PAK-KA (a promising aviation complex of naval aviation)

Hole wrote:Kuznetsov already finished his (her?) time in the drydock. Rest of the repairs/modernisation can be done with the ship in the water. After that they (the Navy) got 4 - 5 years to settle the problem with a drydock until the ship needs another round of maintenance.

Tsavo Lion wrote:In the opinion of the editor’s interlocutor, the Kuznetsov, if it returns to the line, will most likely be used as a training ship and will not be sent on long hikes.
“Perhaps it would be optimal to transfer it to the Black Sea, where, due to better climatic conditions, the Kuznetsov could more effectively perform the tasks of a training aircraft carrier, ..
https://iz.ru/863860/ilia-kramnik/chto-delat-s-avianostcem-admiral-kuznetcov-mozhet-ne-vernutsia-v-stroi

Exactly as I been saying! They can build dry docks in Crimea &/ Novorossiysk; later on, the 1 at Nikolaev shipyard that built it may also become available. $Ms can be saved by that move.
The Adm K can train in the BSF AOR & show the flag near Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Georgia, Syria, Israel, Greece, & Libya more often, as an added value.

"Novatek" is not enough
However, back to the dock. It should be understood that even in case of successful implementation of the Kuznetsov repair capability at the newly-built Kola Shipyard Novatek, it is impossible to rely on this site in the future: docking ships of the fleet is an ongoing process, and its use will be excluded from initial plans for the development of the gas industry in the Arctic. In fact, this means that   the Navy’s own dry dock should be built in the Kola Bay (perhaps at the same place on Cape Chalmpushka where the construction of the dock for the Ulyanovsk was supposed to take place, and the construction or purchase abroad (in South Korea or China) of a new floating dock, capable of repairing ships of the first rank or several units of a 2–3 rank at the same time

This decision is long overdue: the Northern Fleet, fulfilling the most important tasks of ensuring the country's security in the Arctic, has chronic infrastructure problems that seriously affect its combat capability. A vivid example of these problems is the repair of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov in the Sevmash bulk basin, the main plant specializing in nuclear submarine shipbuilding, which  effectively deprived the plant of one of the most important shipbuilding workshops (workshop No. 50) and diverted a large number of specialists who could would be busy building new submarines. Repair of ships of the Navy should be provided with its own capacities, the use of which will not affect the plans for the construction of new combat units.

It is still unclear how this need is reflected in the plans for financing the state armaments program.

They have already a big drydock in Kerch.

It would be more important to build a big drydock in the Kola bay

At least they still have the mig-29Ks and the su-33s for a new carrier. No need to order new ones.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

At least they still have the mig-29Ks and the su-33s for a new carrier. No need to order new ones.

If the Adm. K is used as a training ship, more fighters will be needed for deployments. If they get rid of it, they won't have a CV or LHA type at all- the new CVN may not be built even in 10 years. They don't want to spend extra $ on its deep modernization; will they have the $ for any new  CVNs?

Tsavo Lion wrote:

At least they still have the mig-29Ks and the su-33s for a new carrier. No need to order new ones.

If the Adm. K is used as a training ship, more fighters will be needed for deployments. If they get rid of it, they won't have a CV or LHA type at all- the new CVN may not be built even in 10 years. They don't want to spend extra $ on its deep modernization; will they have the $ for any new  CVNs?

Having the money isn't the issue it's having the Base, Having its support ships, other things.

Tsavo Lion wrote:They can use it for training in the Black Sea & deploy to the Med. Sea, etc. for training & combat, if need be. It's CMs r useful as they can strike both ships & land targets.
Finally, it's a matter of prestige- the world will laugh if they decommission it just after installing new boilers & losing the dry dock.
Russia will look like the USSR which lost 3 TAKRs early, 1 unbuilt CVN, & Adm. K sister ship.
Czar Putin can use it a royal yacht, just like the Thai King with his CV.

12 granits won't go through any astra 15/30 or SM on burkes. They are only mach 2 and as big as a su-27 on a radar but with no manoevrability.

They already laugh at this dinosorus.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Even with 3 CVNs they can be present for more than a few weeks at best in only 1 ocean constantly. That's why China wants 6 CV/Ns so 2 can be in the Pacific & Indian Oceans 24/7/364/5.
This point was beaten to death here.

12 granits won't go through any astra 15/30 or SM on burkes. They are only mach 2 and as big as a su-27 on a radar but with no manoevrability.

All but 1 fly at wave top level. The USN won't risk getting any close to it, just like off Syria.

They already laugh at this dinosorus.

That's why now they need to finish it, so the laughing stops.