Mir wrote:They should build more of these but how about adding a few heavy duty cranes on the sides to turn this dry dock into duel role construction and repair yard?
How so? Will not that be for both?
I'm not sure if this dock will be for repairs and mods only. You will need to add a couple of overhead cranes etc to turn it into a construction site as well. However someone posted a satellite pic of a huge civil dock just across on the other side - so problem solved if they need some more construction space.
In these two dry docks, gas and oil ships and platforms should be built. Is this permissible that there could also be carriers and cruisers? Is a German company involved.
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:In these two dry docks, gas and oil ships and platforms should be built. Is this permissible that there could also be carriers and cruisers? Is a German company involved.
Well Europe (Germany) is a very tense place right now so who knows what may or may not happen. One thing is pretty sure though - EU gas prices will be very high for quite some time to come!
We definitely live in a different world now: the repairs of the Kuznetsov go better than expected
Named the timing of the transfer of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the dock
The only Russian aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov", undergoing repairs at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, is being prepared for transfer to dry dock. This was reported by two sources in the Russian defense industry familiar with the situation.
As stated, the timing of the transfer of the aircraft carrier to the dock has shifted, but not to the right, but to the left. If earlier it was reported that the ship would be docked no earlier than this summer, now new dates have been announced - April 2022. According to sources, docking and other work in the dock on the Admiral Kuznetsov will last until September, after which the aircraft carrier will "return to the water."
It is expected that the aircraft carrier will be docked at the 35th shipyard in April. Dock repair will last until September
- leads TASS source words.
Thus, it can be assumed that work on the creation of a new dry dock on the territory of the 35th shipyard is being completed; The contract for the modernization of the dry dock itself was signed in July 2019 after the flooding of the floating dock PD-50. The modernization itself consists in the restructuring of two adjacent dry docks of the plant (one 187 m long and 28 m wide at the top, and the other 236 m long and 30,8 m wide at the top, both docks have a bottom width of 22 m) into one large dock by demolishing the partition between them. As a result of the modernization, the largest dry dock in Russia will be created to receive large vessels and ships, which will have a length of 335 m and a width of 60 m along the bottom and 70 m along the top.
Recall that the timing of the return of "Admiral Kuznetsov" from repair was repeatedly postponed, the last time the USC announced that they would transfer the aircraft-carrying cruiser to combat strength in 2023.
Hopefully the situation in the Ukraine is forcing them to realise they need global reach and to defend their access to the world via the worlds oceans and seas and that their navy has to become an important part of that...
Serial production of Corvettes and Frigates... assuming they have the propulsion systems for them should be a priority, while upgrades to older big ships should get them to a level where they can operate away from Russian waters for long periods because their size should allow for greater endurance and more crew comfort... especially if the upgrades reduce crew sizes to free up more space.
They need to start laying down a destroyer design, hopefully nuclear powered and modern... even if it doesn't hit the water for 7 years it is a direction they need to move in because Frigates are not good enough to defend 40K ton helicopter carriers, or to sail the seven seas.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like the dry-dock for the Kuznetsov is being prepared for her transfer?
That is some SERIOUS dry dock there...
GarryB wrote:Hopefully the situation in the Ukraine is forcing them to realise they need global reach and to defend their access to the world via the worlds oceans and seas and that their navy has to become an important part of that...
I don't think that has ever been put into question by the deciders in the military, but indeed now corruption and incompetence are not going to be very expensive for the responsible and less budgetary BS will need to be heard. So hopefully we see some projects being unfrozen and the naval construction changing gears, the multipolar world is indeed going to need to fight piracy and attempts at imposing Western hegemony in the high seas
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Source: the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will dock for repairs on May 15-17
It will take two months to restore the bridge and pump out water, the source said.
MOSCOW, May 13. /tass/. The heavy aircraft carrier Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov will dock for repairs during May 15-17. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
"It is expected that the aircraft carrier will dock on May 15-17. Then it will take two months to restore the bridge and pump out water, " he said.
Earlier, a TASS source reported that the dock repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov will last until September. The second source confirmed this information, adding that in September the aircraft carrier "will return to the water." "Now the task is to take the aircraft carrier out of the dock until the ice is frozen, otherwise everything will move to 2023," he said.
On March 31, sources in the military-industrial complex told TASS that the 35th Ship Repair Plant (SRZ, a branch of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC) is ready to receive the aircraft carrier. By that time, the operation to fill the dock with water had been completed. The next operations are removing the bridge, putting it in the ship's dock, restoring the bridge, and pumping out water. Then it was assumed that this would take up to six weeks.
TASS does not have official confirmation of this information from USC.
Earlier it was reported that the Sevmash plant will build a batoport in 2022 as part of the technical re-equipment of the dry dock at the Murmansk 35th SRZ, where the dock repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will take place. The batoport will replace a temporary bridge in the dock.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14613205
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The only aircraft carrier in the Navy "Admiral Kuznetsov" successfully docked for repairs
MOSCOW, May 20 - RIA Novosti. The only aircraft carrier in the Russian Navy, Admiral Kuznetsov, has docked at the 35th plant in Severomorsk for repairs and modernization, Aleksey Rakhmanov, general director of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), told RIA Novosti. "The docking operation for the Kuznetsov has been successfully completed," Rakhmanov said. According to him, this operation was planned to be carried out on May 14-15. "However, a strong wind rose up to 17 meters per second, so we decided to postpone the operation until more favorable weather," the USC head explained.
Earlier, Rakhmanov told the agency that when signing the contract for the repair and modernization of the cruiser and determining the required scope of work, it was assumed that only one of the four gas turbine units was to be unloaded and repaired. Then it was found that all four units needed repairs, and this is a total of 10-11 months of work. However, in this case, if other defects are not revealed, in 2023 the ship will be transferred to the fleet, as planned.
That seems to be the case. The ship is already set up in that dock. What is striking is that it is the end of May and the snow is still on the hills. Admiral Chabanenko is on the far left.
Granger @GrangerE04117 · 13h After a delay of three days in moving the carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov is now inside the newly built drydock of 35th Shipyard in Murmansk.
After they secure the ship, they would reconstruct the removed portions of the drydock and drain the water. Estimaed would take 2-3 mos.
On the other hand, two new shipyards for big things are created. They have fewer orders after the sanctions. It is time to commission two supporters of the same class here.
Either way, the Russian Navy has more options and skills to maintain your ships!
LMFS wrote:It seemed impossible a few years ago...
Yep, and the Atlantacist Exceptionalists had circle-jerked themselves into an exhausted lather in believing it was impossible
"Russian doesn't have the money to do this" and other similar brain-dead nonsense
Seeing this is a nice big Foxtrot Yankee to the Western presstitute scribblers. Add it to the list of other goodies that are proving them wrong, every single fcking time they open their stupid arrogant mouths... Ukraine is winning... The ruble will be crushed... No-one will buy Russian oil & gas...
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Russia has the power plants to make super carriers with the RITM-400 nuclear reactor. The Chinese have electromagnetic catapults today. So even if Russia cannot make those, or doesn't want to make those, they can probably be imported.
So other than budgetary concerns Russia has no impediment to making their own supercarriers if it wants to. But given the current situation with the surface fleet, with lack of destroyers, it does not make much sense to build carriers. So Admiral Kuznetsov must continue to soldier on alone.
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That seems to be the case. The ship is already set up in that dock. What is striking is that it is the end of May and the snow is still on the hills. Admiral Chabanenko is on the far left.
That's normal.
I remember in the Murmansk region the last snow mounds took as late as early June to thaw away. It was well summer-time by then, quite warm, it's just that snow when collected into a mound or deposited in big amounts can just take its time to melt. And when it comes to the hills and countryside the snow can be meters deep.
Yep, and the Atlantacist Exceptionalists had circle-jerked themselves into an exhausted lather in believing it was impossible
The irony is that their pressure and attempts to isolate and contain Russia as they describe it, have led to a situation where Russia needs to increase funding of her navy if she wants to survive and trade with the rest of the world...
So not just not impossible... thanks to those losers... it is now necessary.
But given the current situation with the surface fleet, with lack of destroyers, it does not make much sense to build carriers. So Admiral Kuznetsov must continue to soldier on alone.
Well they have two 40K ton helicopter carriers laid down and under construction so laying down a CVN would be premature in my opinion, but I suspect the urgency of getting Corvettes and Frigates into serial production for home waters operations and allow older ships to be retired or perhaps even upgraded and sold off, but they need to start looking at laying down some new destroyers, though they might want to see how the heavier improved Gorshkovs perform first...
New anti drone laser systems might be a useful addition across the navy too...
Combat experience is invaluable and needs to be applied when learned quickly.
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GarryB wrote:but they need to start looking at laying down some new destroyers, though they might want to see how the heavier improved Gorshkovs perform first...
Super Gorshkov's will be an excellent stop-gap in the meantime, they should be good enough to protect Russian shipping lanes until the Destroyers are constructed and put into service, which aren't going to be ready before the 2030's.
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The Chinese have electromagnetic catapults today. So even if Russia cannot make those, or doesn't want to make those, they can probably be imported.
Work on EM cats and all electric drives is probably related and probably the core reason why they have not laid down any destroyers just yet... the advantages of such a set up probably make the delay worth it... the Soviets and Russians have been working on the problems of EM cats since the 1980s to 1990s, so they may have been working with the Chinese on that already if you know what I mean...
China wanted EM cats and Russia does too so why not work together... Russia would certainly not try to hinder Chinese efforts and vice versa.
China would be silly to not hire Russian experts in the field like they have for aircraft and other systems.... Just the same as Russia spent money with Thales of France on Thermal Imagers, and bought British naval gear too (ROVs and pumps and motors etc).
Super Gorshkov's will be an excellent stop-gap in the meantime, they should be good enough to protect Russian shipping lanes until the Destroyers are constructed and put into service, which aren't going to be ready before the 2030's.
They might be but they will test them before putting them into serial production... they can't afford expensive white elephants like the LCS or Zumwalt...
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