Russian Navy: Status & News #4

Hole wrote:Or modern versions of this:




And "Shmel" also got a rocket launcher:

On top is MAK pr.1208, with 2x100mm. Lower is MAK pr.1204. Both types are already ageing. Insignificantly armoured, but with good artillery. Buyan pr.21630, or Buyan-M are good alternative, but they have no any armour. Anyway, it is impossible to armour them adequately, as there is no reserve displacement for that.

Pacific Fleet of Russia will receive a series of six small missile ships of the project 22800 & a few submarines of Project 636.3
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5217218?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=lentainform.com&utm_campaign=lentainform_exchange&utm_term=1245878&utm_content=6338919

The new class is intended to be a more seaworthy, blue water complement to the Buyan-M class corvettes, which had been designed for the littoral zone and are currently serving in Russia's Caspian Flotilla and Black Sea Fleet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette

It has 5 days more endurance than the Buyan, with ~ the same draft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette

Tsavo Lion wrote:Pacific Fleet of Russia will receive a series of six small missile ships of the project 22800 & a few submarines of Project 636.3.................

6 Karakurts and 6 Kilos for Pacific Fleet

Tsavo Lion wrote:.......It has 5 days more endurance than the Buyan, with ~ the same draft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette

Also 10 meters shorter and 150 tons lighter than Buyan-M.

Buyan-M is fine boat but it was simply river boat upgraded with UKSK.

Karakurt however was designed around UKSK from the get-go.

They stumbled on a game changer with Buyan-M and then they made next logical step with Karakurt.

Don´t forget the much better air defence.

Back to river monitors. Ever heard of the Khasan class?

Since you guys are discussing about Coast Guard vessels, the second project 22100 OKEAN class vessel will be launched tomorrow at Zelenodolsk shipyard.
The name of the ship is "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky".

Theses are relatively large (2700 T) ships armed with a 76mm gun and a helicopter. The first of the class is the Polyarnaya Zvezda (Polar Star), it is in service in the North.

http://www.zdship.ru/press-center/news-events/3332/

TheArmenian wrote:Since you guys are discussing about Coast Guard vessels, the second project 22100 OKEAN class vessel will be launched tomorrow at Zelenodolsk shipyard.
The name of the ship is "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky".

Theses are relatively large (2700 T) ships armed with a 76mm gun and a helicopter. The first of the class is the Polyarnaya Zvezda (Polar Star), it is in service in the North.

http://www.zdship.ru/press-center/news-events/3332/

Oh yeah, I love this class

Interesting name, same as one of new Kilo subs being built for Pacific Fleet

For all you Coast Guard noobs, this is the ship class in question:

Hole wrote:Don´t forget the much better air defence.

Back to river monitors. Ever heard of the Khasan class?

Yep, mamooths.

PapaDragon wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Since you guys are discussing about Coast Guard vessels, the second project 22100 OKEAN class vessel will be launched tomorrow at Zelenodolsk shipyard.
The name of the ship is "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky".

Theses are relatively large (2700 T) ships armed with a 76mm gun and a helicopter. The first of the class is the Polyarnaya Zvezda (Polar Star), it is in service in the North.

http://www.zdship.ru/press-center/news-events/3332/

Oh yeah, I love this class  

Interesting name, same as one of new Kilo subs being built for Pacific Fleet

For all you Coast Guard noobs, this is the ship class in question:

http://russianships.info/eng/borderguard/project_22100.htm

Full load: 2700
Armament:
1 Ka-27PS helicopter (?)
1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
2x1 14,5 mm MTPU

Big civil icebreakers, big low-armed Coast Guard ships... Fooling no-one...

The new Western term for these types is: Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV).

They are warships typically smaller in size than a corvette and can include fast attack craft, torpedo boats and missile boats, although some are as large as a frigate. The offshore patrol vessels are usually the smallest ship in a navy's fleet that is large and seaworthy enough to patrol off-shore in the open ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_boat#Russia

I wonder, why at least some of the 6 new subs for the Pac. F. r not being built at local Amur yard, & what delivery route will they take?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_Shipbuilding_Plant
http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=13316

eehnie wrote:.......

http://russianships.info/eng/borderguard/project_22100.htm

Full load: 2700
Armament:
1 Ka-27PS helicopter (?)
1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
2x1 14,5 mm MTPU

Big civil icebreakers, big low-armed Coast Guard ships... Fooling no-one...

Yes, coast guard ships for Coast Guard. Imagine that. Oh wait, you can't imagine anything because that would require a working brain.

Go back to your momma's bed, it's breastfeeding time.

PapaDragon wrote:

eehnie wrote:.......

http://russianships.info/eng/borderguard/project_22100.htm

Full load: 2700
Armament:
1 Ka-27PS helicopter (?)
1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
2x1 14,5 mm MTPU

Big civil icebreakers, big low-armed Coast Guard ships... Fooling no-one...

Yes, coast guard ships for Coast Guard. Imagine that. Oh wait, you can't imagine anything because that would require a working brain.

Go back to your momma's bed, it's breastfeeding time.

You always promote low-armed or unarmed ships for Russia... As big as possible... As many as possible... While you hate every competent and well armed ship...

All but fair...

Fooling no-one...

PS: These are days to put Spanish fascists and staunch zionists on suicide watch. Rajoy and Netanyahu crying and begging by all the corners...

Tsavo Lion wrote:The new Western term for these types is: Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV).

They are warships typically smaller in size than a corvette and can include fast attack craft, torpedo boats and missile boats, although some are as large as a frigate. The offshore patrol vessels are usually the smallest ship in a navy's fleet that is large and seaworthy enough to patrol off-shore in the open ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_boat#Russia

I wonder, why at least some of the 6 new subs for the Pac. F. r not being built at local Amur yard, & what delivery route will they take?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_Shipbuilding_Plant
http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=13316

North-eastern passage along the siberian coast.

I wonder, why at least some of the 6 new subs for the Pac. F. r not being built at local Amur yard, & what delivery route will they take?

Because Amur took forever to make just one 20380 while Admiralty St Petersburg has been pumping them out quickly. Ain't broke don't mess with it.
I expect they'll move to Pacific via North route on one of those ship carrier ships like they've done with some bigger subs.

Because Amur took forever to make just one 20380 while Admiralty St Petersburg has been pumping them out quickly.

Amur shipyard is in a pretty bad state, But is there At least any efforts to improve management and productivity in Amur or is the government putting more emphasis on the Zvezda shipyard?

Nibiru wrote:

Because Amur took forever to make just one 20380 while Admiralty St Petersburg has been pumping them out quickly.

Amur shipyard is in a pretty bad state, But is there At least any efforts to improve management and productivity in Amur or is the government putting more emphasis on the Zvezda shipyard?

Incorrect.

Amur was in bad state. Measures were taken, it is in better shape now.
Example: The second project 20380 is being built very much on time. It will start trials soon.

The subs can travel for themself. This larger subs were out of order, so do for maintenance or even scrapping.

Hole wrote:This larger subs were out of order, so do for maintenance or even scrapping.

- pl. clarify, it doesn't make any sense to me.
It will take longer to self-deliver them by whatever route. They'll use up all that fuel & battery propulsion time while not on/in patrol/training. Besides, emergencies could happen in transit; SSNs r different & can self-deliver even under ice, as was done before.

Amur was in bad state. Measures were taken, it is in better shape now.
Example: The second project 20380 is being built very much on time. It will start trials soon.

And hopefully they'll continue to improve.
But best to keep Admiralty rolling with their well oiled Kilo production meantime.

The subs can travel for themself.

I don't think so, I could believe a nuke sub transiting on its own since they can just go under the ice but Kilos don't have anything like the necessary endurance.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they take the long way round on a ship carrier like the Kilos to Vietnam.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Hole wrote:This larger subs were out of order, so do for maintenance or even scrapping.

- pl. clarify, it doesn't make any sense to me.
It will take longer to self-deliver them by whatever route.  They'll use up all that fuel & battery propulsion time while not on/in patrol/training. Besides, emergencies could happen in transit; SSNs r different & can self-deliver even under ice, as was done before.

Sweet Jesus, sometimes reading this forum is like watching kids in special ed...

How do submarines get delivered? Here is a hint:

Those r either being delivered for scrapping or modernization within Russia. Years ago, I saw pics of Kilos riding ships to Vietnam, Iran & Canadian sub on a ship:
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/614034/title/kilo-class-submarine-delivered-to-vietnam/cat/524

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Documents/1996/June%201996/0696iran.pdf
https://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/National%20Office/2013/06/ThatSinkingFeeling.pdf

A MCM ship will be towed across internal waterways to the BSF:
http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2018-06-01/6_998_krum.html?print=Y

PapaDragon wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Hole wrote:This larger subs were out of order, so do for maintenance or even scrapping.

- pl. clarify, it doesn't make any sense to me.
It will take longer to self-deliver them by whatever route.  They'll use up all that fuel & battery propulsion time while not on/in patrol/training. Besides, emergencies could happen in transit; SSNs r different & can self-deliver even under ice, as was done before.

Sweet Jesus, sometimes reading this forum is like watching kids in special ed...

How do submarines get delivered? Here is a hint:

This are old subs. Probably no crews.

hoom wrote:

Amur was in bad state. Measures were taken, it is in better shape now.
Example: The second project 20380 is being built very much on time. It will start trials soon.

And hopefully they'll continue to improve.
But best to keep Admiralty rolling with their well oiled Kilo production meantime.

The subs can travel for themself.

I don't think so, I could believe a nuke sub transiting on its own since they can just go under the ice but Kilos don't have anything like the necessary endurance.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they take the long way round on a ship carrier like the Kilos to Vietnam.

Murmansk to Wladiwostok is ten days. Even less. The Kilos got that endurance.

The subs to Vietnam had propably no crews. India on the other hand lets his subs travel the normal way to Russia for large maintenance / modernisation.

Hole wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Hole wrote:This larger subs were out of order, so do for maintenance or even scrapping.

- pl. clarify, it doesn't make any sense to me.
It will take longer to self-deliver them by whatever route.  They'll use up all that fuel & battery propulsion time while not on/in patrol/training. Besides, emergencies could happen in transit; SSNs r different & can self-deliver even under ice, as was done before.

Sweet Jesus, sometimes reading this forum is like watching kids in special ed...

How do submarines get delivered? Here is a hint:
........

This are old subs. Probably no crews.

So? It's cargo. Deliver it first and then load the crews.

Yes, they can get far by going slow on the surface but in the Arctic, icebreaker is needed but still ice/storms/ can do a lot of damage & last days there & in N Atlantic, Med. Sea, Indian Ocean, & W. Pacific.