Russian Navy: Status & News #4

Caspian "Wall" against the American "Tomahawks"
http://www.ng.ru/armies/2018-08-29/100_kaspiy290818.html?print=Y

I have no doubt they'll use this tactic against CMs.

Project 12418 in progress. This is one of the two Molniya being rebuild. You can check other pictures on the thread for "minor and auxiliary ships".

Isos wrote:Project 12418 in progress. This is one of the two Molniya being rebuild. You can check other pictures on the thread for "minor and auxiliary ships".

is this true than 76mm gun goes out and Pantsir comes instead (and no 30mm guns too are out)? Pity that 8 nto 16 Kh-35 will b e installed though?

Tsavo Lion wrote:I have no doubt they'll use this tactic against CMs.

yup , unlikely in Caspian Region tho.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Isos wrote:Project 12418 in progress. This is one of the two Molniya being rebuild. You can check other pictures on the thread for "minor and auxiliary ships".

is this true than 76mm gun goes out and Pantsir comes instead (and no 30mm guns too are out)? Pity that 8 nto 16 Kh-35 will b e installed though?
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I doubt it, replacing main gun with Pantsir would fudge the balance, to much hassle for ship this size.

Pantsir will replace 30mm in the back (if they go with it to begin with)

This is how the Pr. 12418M will look like when they are completed.
The rear guns are the newer AK-630M modernized and stealthier version with a lower profile.
The gun on front is the newer 76mm mount (just like the Karakurt and V. Bykov classes).

Judging by the photo of construction in progress, the new two 12418 will not have Pantsir. Poor ships.... MOD just do the shipyard a favor to get rid of the existing hulls.

Regarding the assertion that Russia would not sink a single carrier... I would reply that the US Navy has never stopped a single Granit missile let alone Onyx... which are both in service in the Russian military.

Before the Falklands war the British were confident their Sea Dart and Sea Wolf SAMs would keep their ships safe from enemy missile attack... yet the mediocre Exocet penetrated their defences and sunk several of their ships... I say mediocre because they had that missile in their own inventory and should have known its performance capabilities and how to defend against it...

When a US AEGIS class cruiser shot down an unarmed civilian airbus in Iranian airspace from Iranian waters there was a fault in the system that delayed the launch of the Standard SAM by 90 seconds... that was one and a half minutes where they were vulnerable to attack and could not respond... if that had been a real attack they would have been in the shit... and it is the AEGIS cruisers that defend the carriers...

Judging by the photo of construction in progress, the new two 12418 will not have Pantsir. Poor ships.... MOD just do the shipyard a favor to get rid of the existing hulls.

Two 30mm gatlings is plenty with modern radar and fire control systems to direct them... if the threat is too great for it to defend itself it will likely not be operating alone anyway...

Two 30mm gatlings is plenty with modern radar and fire control systems to direct them... if the threat is too great for it to defend itself it will likely not be operating alone anyway

It is a ship packing huge amount of cheap missile for its size supposed to go with bigger ship to launch massive attack in closed zones like black sea.

TheArmenian wrote:This is how the Pr. 12418M will look like when they are completed.
The rear guns are the newer AK-630M modernized and stealthier version with a lower profile.
The gun on front is the newer 76mm mount (just like the Karakurt and V. Bykov classes).

Then July's  Izvestia was wrong


https://iz.ru/756914/nikolai-surkov-aleksei-ramm/molnii-vozvrashchaiutsia-v-stroi

Until early 2019, the fleet will receive two modernized large missile boats (corvette) of the legendary Soviet project 1241 Molniya. They were originally intended for a foreign customer, but the contract was canceled, and the domestic Navy became interested in ready-made buildings. In the process of completing the "Lightning" will equip with modern means of navigation and communication, the latest weapons. The architecture of the ship will change, the conditions for the crew will improve. Boats will receive X-35U anti-ship missiles and Pantsir-M sea-based anti-ship missiles.


According to experts, the updated "Lightning" will become a formidable fighting machine, which in this case will be less vulnerable to aviation and more comfortable for crews.
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GarryB wrote:
Two 30mm gatlings is plenty with modern radar and fire control systems to direct them... if the threat is too great for it to defend itself it will likely not be operating alone anyway...

unless drone like Riper/Predator hovers on 5kms with couple of Hellfire missiles. Surely small ships alwasy have cover unless they dont.

Operation Sea Shield seen as a Russian power projection
http://www.atimes.com/article/operation-sea-shield-seen-as-a-russian-power-projection/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=dc02e29a5d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_30_12_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-dc02e29a5d-31607385

It also demonstrates her commitment to defend Syria & shows new ships to potential buyers.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Operation Sea Shield seen as a Russian power projection
http://www.atimes.com/article/operation-sea-shield-seen-as-a-russian-power-projection/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=dc02e29a5d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_30_12_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-dc02e29a5d-31607385

It also demonstrates her commitment to defend Syria & shows new ships to potential buyers.

There is no way the Russian naval contingent could prevent a US missile strike against Syria from reaching its target,” he said. “Nor could it have a crucial impact on the course of military operations in Idlib.” Instead, Frolov suggested that the Russian maneuvers along Syrian shores represent a PR move by the Kremlin.

really nothing? what tghis dude was smokin? I need same stuff for the weekend

The reason I didn't quote that is because he's only partially right.
Some targets may be hit, & the VMF will play a supporting role in operations in Idlib. It's the last rebel held enclave where many on both sides will be taken out of the gene pool soon.

Around 60 cruise missiles and more than 350 sea-to-air missiles couldn´t prevent a strike? This guy must be a real expert. Who pays him? NATO?

Tsavo Lion wrote:The reason I didn't quote that is because he's only partially right.
Some targets may be hit, & the VMF will play a supporting role in operations in Idlib. It's the last rebel held enclave where many on both sides will be taken out of the gene pool soon.

first of all it's for deterrence. If Russian ship get hit will be response to carrier. So guess why Popmeo asked Lavrov for meeting? CMs flying without entering Turkey or Israel can decimated, but not all destroyed. There is more on land

This "wall " configuration trained in Caspian you think was what for?

Hole wrote:Around 60 cruise missiles and more than 350 sea-to-air missiles couldn´t prevent a strike? This guy must be a real expert. Who pays him? NATO?

But Kinzhal (i.e. navalized Tor) is short range. Shtil-1 and S-300Fort are here the" long arm" . 64Forts + 48 Shtils + (64 S-400 + S-300)+ PAntirs/Tors/S-200/S-125/Osas land based
Anyway we dont know anything whether there are subs with tomahawks there. Each is like 156 missiles.

Let's wait & see how it plays out!
It's all about oil & Israel:
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2472991.html

Hole wrote:Around 60 cruise missiles and more than 350 sea-to-air missiles couldn´t prevent a strike? This guy must be a real expert. Who pays him? NATO?

You all fail to understand the point, if Russia is willing to escalate things to that point with the US they could do something, but Russia isn't about to cross that line with the states over Assad.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

You all fail to understand the point, if Russia is willing to escalate things to that point with the US they could do something, but Russia isn't about to cross that line with the states over Assad.

it's not over Assad. IT is about Russia. Last time Gerasimov said about shooting down missile carriers in case of danger for Russian staff.

Hold your​ horses everyone

Those missiles are for Idlib

Let's not go full whatever that last USA ops was again

The Ministry of Defense told details about the exercises in the Mediterranean Sea

MOSCOW, August 30 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. In the exercises of the Navy and VKS in the Mediterranean Sea will be attended by more than 25 ships and ships, led by the missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov and 30 aircraft, including Tu-160, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

"As part of the group, it is planned to deploy more than 25 ships and support vessels, led by the Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser." In the international airspace, training tasks will be fulfilled by about 30 aircraft, including strategic Tu-160 missile carriers, Tu-142MK anti-submarine aircraft and Il- 38 fighters, Su-33 fighters and Su-30SM aircraft of naval aviation, "the report said.

It is noted that, according to the plan of the exercise in the Mediterranean, the group will work out a set of tasks for anti-aircraft and anti-subversive and sabotage defense, as well as mine protection.

РИА Новости https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180830/1527496284.html

its serious now.

If the seppos choose to deploy SSGN Ohios in the Med, the Russians should harass them with 24-7 ASW operations. Let them know the RuN could push the button at any time and consign them to the seabed for duty as a new reef....

Even worse, Us wants really big war

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs commented on possible military actions in the Persian Gulf

"It is even frightening to assume that this can be realized." We proceed from the premise that there is an international legal framework and specialized international institutions for resolving even the most acute issues, "she said, responding to a question about Russia's position on possible military operations in the Persian the Gulf and the admissibility of the war between Saudi Arabia and Iran

РИА Новости https://ria.ru/world/20180830/1527491978.html

Guys I am telling you, this time it looks serious. What the Borg does not get one way, it gets it another. See this:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-minister-says-iran-syria-deal-crosses-red-line-assad-to-bear-the-consquences/

Probably a concerted effort with CMs from the FUKUS (they can really launch many, many more than in last "rehearsals") to activate Syrian ADs so that Israel can hunt them down. Russia must intervene, so I fully agree on Russia sending serious signals now. RuN should make a barrier in the East Mediterranean to be capable of detecting and downing as many CMs as possible before they reach the coast. As far as they do not attack the launching platforms they could get away with it as a defensive show of support for an ally and not an act of aggression against US (they would be battered in the media but we count on that regardless). US assets in South and East remain a problem, no Russian presence there and the Southeast of the country is very far from the assets in Hmeymim and Tartus. A-50s and Su-35s should also make "exercises" these days...

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You all fail to understand the point, if Russia is willing to escalate things to that point with the US they could do something, but Russia isn't about to cross that line with the states over Assad.

It is not about Assad, it is about the capacity of Russia to defend their allies. Which is obviously crucial for attracting or even keeping any in the current conditions.

As much as they can bend and compromise many times, it would be fool to think they don't have a limit. This is a direct challenge and inevitably at some point direct challenges need to be met.

It is reassuring to know one of the traits of the psychos in charge of the West is that they love risk isn't it?

LMFS wrote:

As much as they can bend and compromise many times, it would be fool to think they don't have a limit. This is a direct challenge and inevitably at some point direct challenges need to be met.

It is reassuring to know one of the traits of the psychos in charge of the West is that they love risk isn't it?

Its about Russia. After fall of Assad is Iran then Russia. Meh no psychos in West. Just businessmen , look at tramp. OK Bolton is a psycho.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Its about Russia. After fall of Assad is Iran then Russia. Meh no psychos in West.  Just businessmen , look at tramp. OK  Bolton is a psycho.

you see, it didn't took long to come up with a nice specimen. There are some more cases that could be submitted BTW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwofJEQ6ng

As to whether it is about Russia or about Russian allies, name it as you want, it makes no difference. If Russia can't defend their allies it will be isolated, weakened and ultimately defeated.