Russian Navy: Status & News #4

Cold wave: foreigners have created rules for the passage of the Northern Sea Route
Warships and ships will have to notify Russia of their plans for 45 days

https://iz.ru/852943/aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi-elnar-bainazarov/kholodnaia-volna-inostrantcam-sozdali-pravila-prokhoda-sevmorputi

Are these rules binding on other nations ? Can NATO Nation refuse to comply by RUssian New Rules on Northern Sea Routes

Yes, at their own peril! Read the article!

Austin wrote:Are these rules binding on other nations ? Can NATO Nation refuse to comply by RUssian New Rules on Northern Sea Routes

They didnt dare to try   in Kerch Strait ...

kvs wrote:There will lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth over Russia's "brazen unilateralism".    Only America gets to make up rules for this planet.

because Russia aggressively builds cities near NATO bases!

Well, they can try to circumnavigate the russian waters (EEZ), but without icebrakers…

Are these rules binding on other nations ?

If they stay within International Waters probably not.
But the Northern Sea Route requires transit through Russian Territorial Waters in several places. (at least while there is still a significant ice cap & even after a lot of melting it'll be hard to bypass Vilkitsky Strait)


The right of Innocent Passage doesn't obviate the necessity to comply with navigational safety/policing rules set by the Territorial state.

45 days at first sounds like excessive notice but makes some sense since its Russia that will have to prepare & risk icebreakers/crews in case of an emergency.
Given the icey nature of the waters (and again since it'd be Russia who would have to provide rescue) it makes sense that Russia would have the right to demand stats proving ships proposing to transit are strong enough.
That said it'd surely be easier to set Ice-class restrictions (varied based on time of year?).

The US will claim the restrictions arbitrary and illegal -> try to ignore them.
But will a Captain be willing to risk his ship in the ice?

Apparently MGK-608M sea-floor sonar was damaged shortly after being laid https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%8212/

The Northern Fleet declined to comment on the performance of the MGK-608M stationary underwater lighting complex, which in 2016 was damaged by fishermen’s trawls.

Confirms it was actually laid, I recall it being stated they were starting to lay it but then nothing.

Allowing NATO to travel through North sea route is very dangerous..
Because NATO can drop Mines or sensors to damage /spy on Russia submarines
and they later claim , they have nothing to do with that.. that ISIS did it..

Hopefully Putin will stop being him and defend their nation otherwise could face
a new kursk like disaster.

If they were doing that Russia would be entitled to take action.

1. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial sea it engages in any of the following activities:

(a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

(b) any exercise or practice with weapons of any kind;

(c) any act aimed at collecting information to the prejudice of the defence or security of the coastal State;

(d) any act of propaganda aimed at affecting the defence or security of the coastal State;

(e) the launching, landing or taking on board of any aircraft;

(f) the launching, landing or taking on board of any military device;

(g) the loading or unloading of any commodity, currency or person contrary to the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State;

(h) any act of wilful and serious pollution contrary to this Convention;

(i) any fishing activities;

(j) the carrying out of research or survey activities;

(k) any act aimed at interfering with any systems of communication or any other facilities or installations of the coastal State;

(l) any other activity not having a direct bearing on passage.[1]

But as long as they're following the rules just passing through it can't be stopped.

PapaDragon wrote:
This is originally from Bloomberg but I'm linking Moscow Times​ because it's so juicy

Merkel Is Said to Reject U.S. Pressure to Provoke Russia's Navy

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/08/merkel-is-said-to-reject-us-pressure-to-provoke-russias-navy-a64747

I am honestly kinda sorry they chickened out, imagine the possibilities...

At a Feb. 16 meeting at the Munich Security Conference, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence urged Merkel to send German ships through a narrow channel between the Crimean peninsula and mainland Russia to show Putin that Western powers won’t surrender their access to those waters, according to the officials

What about US ships and freedom of navigation  ?


The frustrated U.S. plan is a feature of the broader trans-Atlantic tension as President Donald Trump tries to cajole his European Union allies into replacing U.S. forces in hot spots in eastern Europe and the Middle East. Pence’s call in Munich for European forces to ensure stability of Syria after the U.S. withdrawal was also brushed off as were his demands for EU nations to follow the U.S. decision to abandon a hard-fought Iranian nuclear accord.

They destroy everything and the eeuropeans should take care of everything ? and the only country that is not destroyed in the area can't make business with EU

US are shameless and totally stupid.

I am honestly kinda sorry they chickened out, imagine the possibilities...

Yeah Germans could at least send a submarine down there. Imagine what would a cat and mouse game between Type 212 and Project 636 look like. Both perfectly silent, 212 having an edge in propulsion and 636 at weapons. The one with the better sonar finds the other and boom.

verkhoturye51 wrote:

I am honestly kinda sorry they chickened out, imagine the possibilities...

Yeah Germans could at least send a submarine down there. Imagine what would a cat and mouse game between Type 212 and Project 636 look like. Both perfectly silent, 212 having an edge in propulsion and 636 at weapons. The one with the better sonar finds the other and boom.

Russians would play at home. You can add ka-27, il-38, asw corvettes ...

It's a suicide mission for german or any other sub to go near crimea, let alone going through kerch.

hoom wrote:But as long as they're following the rules just passing through it can't be stopped.

no they cannot any of points interpretation (surveillance , propaganda, sovereignty) gives right to not let them. It is only about will of Russians.

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
This is originally from Bloomberg but I'm linking Moscow Times​ because it's so juicy

Merkel Is Said to Reject U.S. Pressure to Provoke Russia's Navy

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/08/merkel-is-said-to-reject-us-pressure-to-provoke-russias-navy-a64747

I am honestly kinda sorry they chickened out, imagine the possibilities...

At a Feb. 16 meeting at the Munich Security Conference, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence urged Merkel to send German ships through a narrow channel between the Crimean peninsula and mainland Russia to show Putin that Western powers won’t surrender their access to those waters, according to the officials

What about US ships and freedom of navigation  ?

I though that the Sea of Azov is an inland sea administered jointly by Ukraine and Russia with no international waterway or right of passage without both parties consent, which is rarely withheld.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
This is originally from Bloomberg but I'm linking Moscow Times​ because it's so juicy

Merkel Is Said to Reject U.S. Pressure to Provoke Russia's Navy

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/08/merkel-is-said-to-reject-us-pressure-to-provoke-russias-navy-a64747

I am honestly kinda sorry they chickened out, imagine the possibilities...

At a Feb. 16 meeting at the Munich Security Conference, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence urged Merkel to send German ships through a narrow channel between the Crimean peninsula and mainland Russia to show Putin that Western powers won’t surrender their access to those waters, according to the officials

What about US ships and freedom of navigation  ?

I though that the Sea of Azov is an inland sea administered jointly by Ukraine and Russia with no international waterway or right of passage without both parties consent, which is rarely withheld.

And german ships are an exeption ? Ukraine could invite US ships if they really want to send nati ships there.

Russia will block the strait with a big bulk ship/tanker like the last time.
They said that USN & other outsiders has nothing to do in the Black Sea; much less in the Azov. They can also declare naval exercises there & close the area at any hint of ships approaching. Or they can let them in but not out, closing the trap. After holding them there for a few weeks, let them out to tell the tale so NATO won't have the desire to repeat it.

JohninMK wrote:


I though that the Sea of Azov is an inland sea administered jointly by Ukraine and Russia with no international waterway or right of passage without both parties consent, which is rarely withheld.

And german ships are an exeption ? Ukraine could invite US ships if they really want to send nato ships there.[/quote]

As I understand it both parties need to give permission for a third party warship.

the best proof thst "forced entry " to Kerch Strait is not gonna happen is th at USN didnt even try. Of course morons 'n' doggies like Ukrop leadership can.

But they re independent - because nothing depends on them

It's the same as if the VMF demands to be let in the Hudson Strait so its ships can sail into the Hudson Bay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Strait
https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/67yurv/could_the_hudson_bay_potentially_be_classified_as/

Or in the Naruto Strait to get to the Seto Inland Sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_Strait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seto_Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seto_Inland_Sea

In the sea - an external: crews of submarines began to prepare a new way

Sailors will undergo a full course of study during the construction and testing of atomic submarines

Submariners are transferred to turbo mode. After the president's instructions to shorten the deadlines for the delivery of nuclear submarines, the Ministry of Defense decided to change the training system for the crews of the newest nuclear missile carriers of the Borey and Yasen projects. Previously, submariners took the boat and already completed training on it. Now the crew will undergo a full course even during the construction and testing of the ship, the military department told Izvestia. According to experts, reducing the time for training crews will help to quickly put new nuclear missile carriers into combat service.

The crews of nuclear submarines (NS) almost immediately after enrollment of ships in the fleet will be able to begin the implementation of combat missions, told "Izvestia" in the Main Command of the Navy. For this, the personnel of the submarine cruisers, even before being included in the Navy, will have to work out and pass standards relating to the tasks of organizing service on the boat, preparing for the cruise, sailing, and conducting combat operations. Previously, the implementation of these standards was allocated about a year.

According to an accelerated method, the crew of the Prince Vladimir nuclear submarine, which is due to join the fleet this year, is already being trained.

Features of preparation

During the training, the crew of the submarine must pass a series of stages, said the head of the St. Petersburg submariners club, captain of the first rank Igor Kurdin.

“The crew is first formed and knocked together,” Igor Kurdin told Izvestia. - Then the sailors begin work on the study of the ship in training centers in Obninsk or in Sosnovy Bor. Then they are sent to the factory, where they study the structure of the boat, which is still under construction. After that, the crew, together with engineers and designers, participates in mooring, running and state trials, where the most complex elements of maneuvering and the use of rocket and torpedo weapons are worked out. The last stage of training is the development of navigation under the ice with the mandatory use of missile and torpedo weapons.

Full article
https://iz.ru/857691/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/v-more-eksternom-ekipazhi-podlodok-nachali-gotovit-po-novomu

God speed, but in submarines

Saw on twitter that it's says Putin ordered 5 new warships for black sea fleet. More grigorovitch ? Or maybe kalibr carrier Karakurt ?

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6231085