Russian Navy: Status & News #4

Since 2020, USC will take two to three nuclear submarines a year.

Corporation President Alexei Rakhmanov noted that this exceeds the pace of Soviet shipbuilding

"The volume of orders, which fall on the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise, is already even higher than what was in the Soviet years. Starting next year, we will take two or three submarines a year," said Rakhmanov, adding about nuclear submarines.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6238180

dino00 wrote:Since 2020, USC will take two to three nuclear submarines a year.

Corporation President Alexei Rakhmanov noted that this exceeds the pace of Soviet shipbuilding

"The volume of orders, which fall on the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise, is already even higher than what was in the Soviet years. Starting next year, we will take two or three submarines a year," said Rakhmanov, adding about nuclear submarines.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6238180

Excellent news.

More Yasens please, at least 1 per year, preferably 2

PapaDragon wrote:

dino00 wrote:Since 2020, USC will take two to three nuclear submarines a year.

Corporation President Alexei Rakhmanov noted that this exceeds the pace of Soviet shipbuilding

"The volume of orders, which fall on the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise, is already even higher than what was in the Soviet years. Starting next year, we will take two or three submarines a year," said Rakhmanov, adding about nuclear submarines.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6238180

Excellent news.

More Yasens please, at least 1 per year, preferably 2

Its a good news because of the bad News... They can put 2 or 3 submarines year because of the delays

But you have to build ships/subs to be in delay.

Will be more like 1 Yassen-M + 1 Borei-A a year. Plus 1 Khabarovsk (at least for three years).

dino00 wrote:.........
Its a good news because of the bad News... They can put 2 or 3 submarines year because of the delays

At this stage reasons are irrelevant, just put SOMETHING

Hole wrote:But you have to build ships/subs to be in delay.

Will be more like 1 Yassen-M + 1 Borei-A a year. Plus 1 Khabarovsk (at least for three years).

the question is for how long. Rakhmanov in further part of this interview (different article in ria) said that UCK has work orders for more then 12 years ahead. This might mean 12x2,5 so 30 nuclear subs max.
Can be 2x10 so only 20 but still impressive.

There are 7 Yasens of which 2 lunched already and 6 Boreis to be launch still if Im correct. so 5+6 = 11 + Kahbarovsk = 12. 2-3 per year, then means Huskies or more Yasens on horizon to me.

Hole wrote:But you have to build ships/subs to be in delay.

Will be more like 1 Yassen-M + 1 Borei-A a year. Plus 1 Khabarovsk (at least for three years).

Plus the 6 kilo for pacific fleet.

And they upgrading older SSN like akulas and probably oscars.

Isos wrote:

Plus the 6 kilo for pacific fleet.

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Since 2020, USC will take two to three nuclear submarines a year.


bTW it is planned to build also 12 Ladas , 6 Pacific/6 North Fleets. But AFAIK AIP wont be there.

I heard rumor that there are 4 unfinished Oscar-class hulls in Sevmash.

Is is true?

Volgograd and Barnaul.

PapaDragon wrote:
I heard rumor that there are 4 unfinished Oscar-class hulls in Sevmash.  

Is is true?

unfinished hull + Poseidon = finished carrier?

Tsavo Lion wrote:
Perhaps they caught corrupted contractors & nipped their scams in the bud! Or maybe they wanted dipper modernization at 1st & then decided that it wasn't mission essential, esp. with other priorities.
China now has 2 CVs with a 3rd on the way; they'll keep the USN + their allies busy. It's cheaper to build & operate subs with Poseidons capable of sinking entire CSGs along with coastal bases & cities.

The funding priority is the nuclear deterrent. Everything else gets sidelined.

In ur estimation, how long before those priorities change towards conventional arms?
IMO, they'll be dedicating substantial resources to non-nuclear precision arms while renewing SSBN & strategic bomber fleets.

Tsavo Lion wrote:In ur estimation, how long before those priorities change towards conventional arms?
IMO, they'll be dedicating substantial resources to non-nuclear precision arms while renewing SSBN & strategic bomber fleets.

The priority will never change unless nukes are made obsolete. Once the big ticket items are paid for then funding for conventional forces would be available.

Then, CV/Ns r not urgent to have, UDKs will be built 1st, & the Adm. K will sailor on with new CMs for another 2 decades, if not more.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Then, CV/Ns r not urgent to have, UDKs will be built 1st, & the Adm. K will sailor on with new CMs for another 2 decades, if not more.

There are two priorities:

1) Nuclear Deterrent

2) Export

... in that order.

Vladimir79 wrote:

There are two priorities:

1) Nuclear Deterrent

2) Export

... in that order.  

Not really. They just re-armed the black sea fleet with 3 frigates and 6 new subs and 3 more frigates are suppose to come.

Kalibr plateforms are a priority too.

They will export nothing if they don't produce the ships for their own navy. Their shipyards already suffer bad reputation, who would buy them ships that exist only in catalogues if their worker don't knkw how to produce them ?

Isos wrote:

Not really. They just re-armed the black sea fleet with 3 frigates and 6 new subs and 3 more frigates are suppose to come.

Kalibr plateforms are a priority too.

They will export nothing if they don't produce the ships for their own navy. Their shipyards already suffer bad reputation, who would buy them ships that exist only in catalogues if their worker don't knkw how to produce them ?

That is part of the export strategy, no one will buy it unless they see it in action first. The unused Pacific fleet is rusting away while the BSF gets shiny new toys to launch missiles at Syria.

First they ordered Boreis for nuclear deterence for pacific and northern fleets and got them really fast.

Then Baltic fleet received new Steregoushchys.

Then Black sea fleet received new Grigorovitch and Kilos as nato is more active in ukraine, syria and baltics. They needed kalibr plateforms.

They armed the smaller fleets with smaller ship.

Now they ordered 6 new kilo for pacific. Even if pacific is not the priority for russia. US and Chinese are too much occupied countering each other to pose any threat to Russia.

They got the first gorshkov with more being build. Yasen are also coming. Karakurts are also being produced in mass.

They also got many coast guard ships. They bought new su-30SM for naval aviation, upgraded il-38

All that in less than 15 years. It is not going as fast as the chinese but the procurment plan is going nicely and logicaly. The navy was always the third in russian armed force priority. At this rythm, heli carriers will start being laid down in 5 or 6 years.

It's not only helping export ships. They are getting an all new navy.


And the ships proved to be very effective as Grigorovitch posed problems to french navy and kilo chased away a british sub during the attack on Syria.

Isos wrote:First they ordered Boreis for nuclear deterence for pacific and northern fleets and got them really fast.

Then Baltic fleet received new Steregoushchys.

Then Black sea fleet received new Grigorovitch and Kilos as nato is more active in ukraine, syria and baltics. They needed kalibr plateforms.

They armed the smaller fleets with smaller ship.

Now they ordered 6 new kilo for pacific. Even if pacific is not the priority for russia. US and Chinese are too much occupied countering each other to pose any threat to Russia.

They got the first gorshkov with more being build. Yasen are also coming. Karakurts are also being produced in mass.

They also got many coast guard ships. They bought new su-30SM for naval aviation, upgraded il-38

All that in less than 15 years. It is not going as fast as the chinese but the procurment plan is going nicely and logicaly. The navy was always the third in russian armed force priority. At this rythm, heli carriers will start being laid down in 5 or 6 years.

It's not only helping export ships. They are getting an all new navy.


And the ships proved to be very effective as Grigorovitch posed problems to french navy and kilo chased away a british sub during the attack on Syria.

Remember what I said of priorities, the first is nuclear deterence and Borei falls under that. The only new ships the Pacific Fleet has received that didn't have steel cut before the fall of the CCCP are two Steregushchiy corvettes. The Pacific Fleet is a blue water fleet and the only replacements they receive are corvettes for brown water. No new attacks subs or Kilos... nothing.

Why did the BFS get so much more than the Pacific Fleet? It certainly isn't more important than the PF. If anyone shuts down the Bosphorus those ships are stranded.

Getting a whole new navy of corvettes... That is the cost of export focus.

Why did the BFS get so much more than the Pacific Fleet? It certainly isn't more important than the PF. If anyone shuts down the Bosphorus those ships are stranded.

Because black sea is a safe zone for russian ships that will launch kalibr.

Big ships for blue water capabilities are still not produced in russia. Gorshkov class is only geting introduced now.

The priority was small ships capable of launching jalibr missiles from stand off positions.

No new attacks subs or Kilos... nothing.

They have ordered kilos. And they will have 5 or 6 yasen soon in service.

Corvettes are more than good enough if you don't want to rule the sea with 10 carriers and 70 destroyers. They got quickly the ability to launch hundreds of kalibr with small cheap corvettes on NATO. If they did go forbdestroyers since 2010 they would have nothing today.

Vladimir79 wrote:...Getting a whole new navy of corvettes... That is the cost of export focus.

Ain't nothing wrong with corvette Navy as long as corvettes are getting built in sufficient numbers

Problem is that they aren't at the moment

PapaDragon wrote:
Ain't nothing wrong with corvette Navy as long as corvettes are getting built in sufficient numbers

Problem is that they aren't at the moment

Corvettes are for brown water navies.  It is fine for the BFS because it is all brown water but the blue water fleets need bigger ships like frigates and destroyers.

JohninMK wrote:

Surely the Navy only needs a surface blue water fleet if it is intending to attack US carriers at sea. I thought the strike aircraft were for that task. As such, the submarines and frigates/corvettes are pretty much up to the task of nuclear deterrence and homeland defence. In many ways even the K is a brown water ship.

If the only purpose of the Navy was to sink US carriers then we wouldn't really need a Navy.