Syrian War: News #17

I'm surprised how many civilians were hostage in eastern Ghouta.. more than 100,000 civilians
women and children escaped.. imagine that.. I was hoping for a carpet bombing of the entire place..
But now it looks not so good the idea... This tactics , of using civilians as human shields , by NATO backed
terrorist groups.. is very effective in reducing the effectiveness of any airforce in the places can bomb..


This is also what chechen terrorist did in chechenia.. Russia needs to prepare an strategy to counter such kind
of warfare , in Russia own territory. Kalingrad for example can be invaded by jihadist and take entire villages and cities hostage.. also any part of Russian border with Sweeden ,Norway ,and baltics ,Poland or Ukraine. Serbia could also
be vulnerable to another Syria like conflict. Surrounded by Muslin countries that US and CIA sponsor.

This may be OT but a Kuwaiti newspaper claimed that two Israeli F-35s flew undetected over Iran, which they reached via Syria and Iraq. Dunno what to make of the report. Has anyone else heard anything?

starman wrote:This may be OT but a Kuwaiti newspaper claimed that two Israeli F-35s flew undetected over Iran, which they reached via Syria and Iraq. Dunno what to make of the report. Has anyone else heard anything?

Go on iran latest news thread. I've posted some links.

There seems a possibility that Trump actually meant what he said. It looks like he could be trying to get his ducks lined up. If he pulls it off this could be spun as a huge PR win by the US whilst everyone else just hopes the slaughter is over. Mind you MbS says that US should stay.


Within Syria
‏ @WithinSyriaBlog
10h10 hours ago

Within Syria Retweeted EHSANI2

Expect Iran to take similar steps once East Ghouta is cleared ... out loud, a withdraw of Iran and Hezbollah appears to be near

Within Syria added,  @EHSANI22
Trump Freezes Funds for Syrian Recovery, Signaling Pullback. Order to State Department to hold off on spending jibes with president’s call for an early exit https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-freezes-funds-for-syrian-recovery-signaling-pullback-1522449642 …

‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 12h12 hours ago

Trump announcement of a withdrew from Syria is similar to what he is doing with North Korea ... he is sending a message that US is ready to give up on its previous stands if Damascus is ready to make dramatic changes, mainly regarding the relations with Iran

Within Syria Retweeted الجزيرة - عاجل

Saudi crown prince: Assad will remain in power, we hope he will not turn into a puppet in the hands of Iran ... Major shift in Saudi policy
http://time.com/5222746/saudi-crown-prince-donald-trump-syria/



EDIT

Found this. It appears that Trump found out that the US had promised $200m in aid for the areas ISIS was kicked out of and stopped it, hence his earlier comment about others stepping in to pay now that ISIS was defeated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-syria/trump-tells-advisers-he-wants-u-s-out-of-syria-senior-officials-idUSKBN1H61J0

JohninMK wrote:There seems a possibility that Trump actually meant what he said. It looks like he could be trying to get his ducks lined up. If he pulls it off this could be spun as a huge PR win by the US whilst everyone else just hopes the slaughter is over. Mind you MbS says that US should stay.


Within Syria
‏ @WithinSyriaBlog
10h10 hours ago

Within Syria Retweeted EHSANI2

Expect Iran to take similar steps once East Ghouta is cleared ... out loud, a withdraw of Iran and Hezbollah appears to be near

Within Syria added,  @EHSANI22
Trump Freezes Funds for Syrian Recovery, Signaling Pullback. Order to State Department to hold off on spending jibes with president’s call for an early exit https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-freezes-funds-for-syrian-recovery-signaling-pullback-1522449642 …

‏ @WithinSyriaBlog 12h12 hours ago

Trump announcement of a withdrew from Syria is similar to what he is doing with North Korea ... he is sending a message that US is ready to give up on its previous stands if Damascus is ready to make dramatic changes, mainly regarding the relations with Iran

Within Syria Retweeted الجزيرة - عاجل

Saudi crown prince: Assad will remain in power, we hope he will not turn into a puppet in the hands of Iran ... Major shift in Saudi policy
http://time.com/5222746/saudi-crown-prince-donald-trump-syria/



EDIT

Found this. It appears that Trump found out that the US had promised $200m in aid for the areas ISIS was kicked out of and stopped it, hence his earlier comment about others stepping in to pay now that ISIS was defeated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-syria/trump-tells-advisers-he-wants-u-s-out-of-syria-senior-officials-idUSKBN1H61J0

Trump has a solid point. The US trashed IS and retook Raqqa via proxy.
Mission accomplished, time to go home and let SAA take over. If Assad plays his cards right, ditches most of Iranian influence and drops HzB, he's done it. The timing for that would be once Damascus 100% red and Homs pocket is eliminated.

Assad isn't going to ditch Iran, Hezbollah or anyone else the US, Israel, Saudis etc. dislikes. If he were to make statements suggesting the contrary, they would simply be the extension of face-saving to encourage the exit of Syria's antagonists.

Oh, apparently all E. Ghouta towns have been declared liberated. Jesus, what a shit fit they all thew leading up to this, especially the UK.

BKP wrote:Assad isn't going to ditch Iran, Hezbollah or anyone else the US, Israel, Saudis etc. dislikes.

Russia is not particularly fond of the HzB-Iran sh1tshow in the Middle East. Also, both have shown complete lack of ability to deal with the conflict from 2012 till 2015. In fact Russia is closer to Israel and I don't blame them as something like 10% of Israel's population are in fact Russian/ex-USSR.

PapaDragon wrote:Iranians and Hezbollah have shown chronic inability to identify priorities and to properly commit and focus on tasks at hand.

They were quick to splash the cash on planes from Boeing and Airbus though

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

BKP wrote:Assad isn't going to ditch Iran, Hezbollah or anyone else the US, Israel, Saudis etc. dislikes.

Russia is not particularly fond of the HzB-Iran sh1tshow in the Middle East. Also, both have shown complete lack of ability to deal with the conflict from 2012 till 2015. In fact Russia is closer to Israel and I don't blame them as something like 10% of Israel's population are in fact Russian/ex-USSR.

Correct.

If trimming down Iranian presence means that USA & poodles will be packing up then it's a no brainer.

Surplus players leave, Kurds fall in line, jihadists get erased and Turks have no more reason to stick around.

After that Russia stitches Syria back together and relax on the coast.

Iranians and Hezbollah have shown chronic inability to identify priorities and to properly commit and focus on tasks at hand.

I agree. The Russians/Syrians/Iranians and Hezbollah will agree to quite a lot to get the US out of Syria. The potential for very public withdrawal of the latter two's forces, or at least most of them, would give Trump the perfect platform if he wanted to use it to negotiate a deal. Can't see Israel being happy about it.

JohninMK wrote:Can't see Israel being happy about it.

Israel is lucky Russia is pulling the strings now in Damascus. This is an absolute guarantee that HzB won't pull any of their 2006 cr@p again, be it from Lebanon or Syria.

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KiloGolf wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Can't see Israel being happy about it.

This is an absolute guarantee that HzB won't pull any of their 2006 cr@p again, be it from Lebanon or Syria.

wtf are you talking about? Hezbollah defended Libanon against Israeli aggression and will continue to do so if needed.
Assad removing Iran/Hezb from Syria? Dream on!
They are legally there and will stay there.

"both have shown complete lack of ability to deal with the conflict from 2012 till 2015"

again, i dont know what the hell u talking about
Without Iran/Hezb in first place, there wouldnt be a Syria anymore

lycantrop wrote:again, i dont know what the hell u talking about
Without Iran/Hezb in first place, there wouldnt be a Syria anymore

I don't think so. Whatever Iran and HzB were doing in Syria (very little), it didn't work. There was no major deployment of air assets and intel-wise Iran was using a predominantly weak sauce approach. Every year since 2011, the regime was loosing ground faster than the year before. That's until Russia came in at the end of 2015 and  cleaned everyone's mess (took a good year till early 2017, when Russia's work started to pay dividends).

Holy Smokes... If this report is real ?

"Those who enter into cooperation and solidarity with terror groups against Turkey … will, like the terrorists, become a target of Turkey," Mr Bozdag, who is also the Turkish Government spokesman, wrote on Twitter.


"We have no intention to harm soldiers of allied nations, but we cannot allow terrorists to roam freely (in northern Syria)," Mr Erdogan said.

"Who are you to speak of mediation between Turkey and a terrorist organisation?"

Accusing Paris of appeasing terrorism, he said Mr Macron would be held accountable for his policy by his own people.

"We hope France doesn't come to us for help when the terrorists running from Syria and Iraq fill their country after being encouraged by their policy," he said.

Mr Erdogan spoke last week with Mr Macron about the French president's criticism of Turkey's Afrin campaign.

"He was saying weird things and so, even if it was a bit high-octane, I had to tell him some things," Mr Erdogan said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-31/turkey-says-france-could-become-target-for-backing-syria-kurds/9607004

It looks like the meeting between Erdogan and France macro did not very well .  
Erdogan was no less than threatening to hit French soldiers if block Turkey operations in
Northern Syria ?  

and if that wasn't hostile enough ERdogan suggested France with suffer terrorist attacks in France if oppose Turkey.
look at the bold part..  

It looks like a cold war in progress between France and Turkey... and my bet is france will backdown..
but only temporarily.. if this reports are true ,Erdogan signed his death sentence , because Europe will
see how dangerous Erdogan ,by suggesting Europe will face terrorist attacks if don't align with Turkey.

So This is really serious new development ,Macron knows if French soldiers die it will be game over
for his popularity in France ,specially for a conflict France have no reasons to be there. Even though
i don't think not even for a second that NATO will risk its relation with Turkey for kurds.. it looks pretty much
that Kurds will by the dust for its over ambitions in Syria.. and NATO will limit itself , to just look how Erdogan Reverse all the gains of NATO in northern Syria ,and make US and France major humiliation of having to abandon its support for kurds in Syria.

Trump is only one ,and he is a minority on his calls of leaving Syria ,he looks genuine on his desire to abandon Syria ,because he simply don't like wasting money there.. and neither like the terrorist that CIA and PEntagon support.. But this said.. Trump is only one and while he can pressure for US military and deep state to to jump ship and get out of Syria ,and pressure convince  them to leave...or at least partially. He will have to give the deep state/and Jews lobbies something in change , for partially or fully leaving Syria ,like a war with IRAN..  

So as things stand down... It pretty much looks like Russia patience in Syria have pay off big time..
and also in Ukraine too.. so big credits to Putin for this.. as things turn now..

you can have a situation ,where Kurds will be sacked from all north of Syria by Turkey and force US and France to abandon north of Syria ,and then Kurds flee to Syria army positions for full submission to the Syrian army ,giving away their weapons in change for security.  that will be a proper well deserved karma for Kurds for betraying Syria and taking advantage of the war in Syria to steal lands that never were there.. So let the kurds cry a river.. it looks
pretty much they are doomed big time and will lose the entire border with turkey.

In long term Erdogan is likely will be facing his own revolution, lead by a "free turkey army" with EU and US arming kurds.. in retaliation for ruining their kurdistan project.. and because Europe don't trust in Erdogan and he is openly threatening France with Terrorism , is like begging for NATO to declare a major proxy war on Turkey. and remove
ERdogan by force.

SyrianPerspective is also saying that French,British,Americans and israeli special forces were detected in intercepted radio communications eastern Ghouta . including weapons of europe and israel.. and an American machinery for producing chemicals..

Is possible we could see more chemical attacks ,to distract Turkey attention from fighting Kurds in northen Syria ,in hopes to Unify again US coalition and Turkey against Assad.

There is for the last five days persistent scuttlebutt that more then one western operative, read serving military US and Germany, have been captured in the Damaskus Region with their equipage. Scuttlebutt is 'SAA and allies' did the pounce, no other ID. If my aging memory serves, Gouta is in Damaskus Region.

I step away for a few days and NATO is on fire. Let me get this straight... US is standing down from Syria, France is stepping up and going to stop the Turkish offensive on Manbij ruining the dreams of Ottoman Empire.

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/03/29/france-troops-manbij-syria-macron-trump-us-coming-out/

Not that France can't take Turkey but they better move some serious forces over there. 14 Rafale's from UAE won't be enough to maintain a no-fly-zone. They have access to the airbase in Baghdad and are probably setting one up in Syria. They will need the Iraqi councils permission for basing rights to wage war against Turkey, it shouldn't be hard considering Turkey has already threatened Iraq with invasion.

Vladimir79 wrote:I step away for a few days and NATO is on fire.  Let me get this straight... US is standing down from Syria, France is stepping up and going to stop the Turkish offensive on Manbij ruining the dreams of Ottoman Empire.

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/03/29/france-troops-manbij-syria-macron-trump-us-coming-out/

Not that France can't take Turkey but they better move some serious forces over there.  14 Rafale's from UAE won't be enough to maintain a no-fly-zone.  They have access to the airbase in Baghdad and are probably setting one up in Syria.  They will need the Iraqi councils permission for basing rights to wage war against Turkey, it shouldn't be hard considering Turkey has already threatened Iraq with invasion.  

France can't stop Turkey attacking the kurds. They already said they don't mean to send troops to stop turkey. If they really want to survive, Kurds should ask russian for protection or give back some of their territory to Assad to have a buffer zone. They won't survive a fight against a modern army.

This is very serious folks..
Now Erdogan is attacking Israel , calling him a leader of a terrorist state..

https://www.rt.com/news/422909-erdogan-netanyahu-terrorist-gaza/

So is this man really nuts ?
Not even Russia or any European power will do anything like that ,and allow Netanyahu to get a powerful
alliance of Globalist Jews Elite behind him and take down Erdogan..  I do agree Neyanyahu is a terrorist
but Erdogan is no different.. he is another one.. he was aiding ISIS oil business and is now officially the protector
of the terrorist in eastern Ghoutta leaving to Idlib that were bombing civilians for years in damascus.

So Erdogan have been annoying..
-Kurds
-the European Union
-Britain
-France
-Germany , calling merkel hitler.
-Russia - plane shotdown at Erdogan request ,then Erdogan interference in Syria main obstacle by Syria army of liberation of IDLIB
-China - by providing protection and help to Muslim chinese terrorist , you have photos of Turkey army with them.
-Greece.. by bullying them every week ,for territorial differences
-Cyprus -by Blocking European and American energy giants from removing energy.
-IRAQ - he have been occupying IRAQ lands and insulting their leader..
-Saudi Arabia.. he is in a cold war right now with them... Saudis arrested 15 Turkey civilians claiming were spies..
-Egypt , The government declared Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist state ,muslim brotherhood is protected by ERdogan.
and now Israel...  
-but also Turkey itself.. Erdogan popularity is only 30% in Turkey and he is arresting thousands and thousands
of Government officials,teachers ,military ,doctors ,civilians who choose to support the previous coup attempt.

Erdogan accused all Israel to be a terrorist state ,so if there is something i have learn is that jews never
forgive anything. I don't remember any other time in history any leader ,created a policy like that ,
of no allies ,no friends ,just enemies and leaving differences when possible for sake of business.

And I'm missing something? if this is fake or is really happening?
Because if it is ,Then it means Erdogan is a dead man walking. Even Fidel Castro ,who was the most
fearless Political and military leader ever in history of planet did need the support of a super power like Russia
in order to be able to hold against US.. but here you have Erdogan thinking it can go against the entire world ,
and reverse all the gains that NATO achieved in Northern Syria..  

This looks worthy of a hollywood movie ,grab your popcorn ,because i see Erdogan near to mid term future to end in a major revolution the same way of Qadafi ..   Netanyahu will not forgive this insult to him ,and very likely Russia will help ERdogan to stay in power ,even if damage some of its interest in Syria that is the recovery of all Syria territorial integrity ,because any replacement of him by NATO will have to be one very hostile to Russia.   Erdogan only chance to survive will be Russia and IRAN.. and if he had any brains left he will cooperate fully with Russia and restore relations with Assad. and listen Putin advices ,that one of the few abilities Putin have is diplomacy , he plays diplomacy as it was a game of chess and is very good in that.

I think maybe is luck or something else, but if you were to make a video game about Syrian conflict,
and you will have to program the abilities of each country , then automatically Russia faction will need
to have two traits /mayor abilities.. 1)Stronger Military of all , 2)Deadly diplomacy , it can reverse politics and turn enemies into allies.  

If Hitler had such abilities of diplomacy, he will have the queen of england and jews fighting on his side..  

If you take a look at how Putin diplomacy ,not only managed get the public opinion in America more favorable to
Putin ,why Trump won ,and now Trump have views closer to Putin about Syrian conflict.. but also Putin Managed
to do the impossible and develop relations with Erdogan after he shotdown Russia airforce plane..

So this should be a real badass video game.. you can have all factions fighting and then after a diplomatic move
of Putin ...bang.. alliances and enemies change.. and then everyone WTF...   You saw that in Syria.. say hello to
Russia "reconciliation" centers another master chess move . ,making terrorist to fight each other in retaliation
for cooperating with Russia.. ISIS fighting Alqaeda ,Alqaeda fighting FSA ,FSA fighting ISIS..         Erdogan fighting Saudi backed terrorist ,Saudis Fighting ERdogan backed terrorist..and now Erdogan threatening France to target them. LOLOLOLOLOL

I still will not forget how one Saudi Terrorist interview , i saw in youtube ,how he went to Syria to fight Assad..
but after an airstrike killed his leader , for major differences with his group , (they wanted him to be the next suicide bomber and he did not wanted ,was not in a rush to visit his 71 virgins..    )  He then ended moving to another terrorist group.. and after a few weeks ,he ended fighting against Saudis fighters of his own country that were in his previous Group ,more than Assad army. and he then saw the major mess they were ,it was terrorist vs terrorist and so he decided to just leave Syria and return to his homeland.  

so what is missing , should be pro Syrian Kurds fighting vs Pro NATO kurds ,Idlib fighters fighting Ghouta fighters and
Turkey army fighting Turkey army.  If erdogan is betrayed by a bodyguard and arrested in a coup ,you could have a situation similar to this.

Isos wrote:

France can't stop Turkey attacking the kurds. They already said they don't mean to send troops to stop turkey. If they really want to survive, Kurds should ask russian for protection or give back some of their territory to Assad to have a buffer zone. They won't survive a fight against a modern army.

The only thing the French have to do is provide a no-fly-zone. Turkish AMRAAMs are incapable of shooting down NATO transponders. It would be really funny watching a bunch of antiquated F-16s and F-4 with only Sidewinders and guns against Rafales armed with Meteors.

auslander wrote:There is for the last five days persistent scuttlebutt that more then one western operative, read serving military US and Germany, have been captured in the Damaskus Region with their equipage. Scuttlebutt is 'SAA and allies' did the pounce, no other ID. If my aging memory serves, Gouta is in Damaskus Region.

This rumour is likely valid. The SAA and Russian forces had their sh*t together during this operation and neutralized the false flag
being prepared and stopped the big "retaliation" plans of the USA and its minions. For sure a chemical terrorist act was being prepared
by the moderate head choppers at the behest of their NATO masters. The labs were seize too fast for them to act and their chemical
raw material was tracked down to the fake NGO that delivered them. It is quite likely that the East Ghouta operation moved too fast
for the NATO minders to clear out fast enough and some likely got caught. I assume they were good leverage against NATO since
the build up of the mass media propaganda hysteria about Russia bombing babies in the last hospital and cat sanctuaries fizzled out
for some mysterious reason.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:

France can't stop Turkey attacking the kurds. They already said they don't mean to send troops to stop turkey. If they really want to survive, Kurds should ask russian for protection or give back some of their territory to Assad to have a buffer zone. They won't survive a fight against a modern army.

The only thing the French have to do is provide a no-fly-zone.  Turkish AMRAAMs are incapable of shooting down NATO transponders.  It would be really funny watching a bunch of antiquated F-16s and F-4 with only Sidewinders and guns against Rafales armed with Meteors.  

well that could be true.. but don't forget F-16s have also direct gun fire... NATO transponders can't stop
a vulcan gun can it ?.  Turkey have the numbers of fighter planes advantage too (245 F-16C/D) vs France small airforce in Syria , if Erdogan was crazy ..( oh wait)..and he wanted to punish France he have ways to do it..  Erdogan will neither have problem to get air defenses from IRAN to target NATO planes.. Manpads from IRAN or China he also can get . But for that to happen ,he will have to break relations with france. So technically speaking if Erdogan really wanted to cause problems to France in Syria he can do it. The Turkey army will not be stopped by a small airforce of france in Syria.
Neither Russia small airforce can stop that.. will have to use nukes to stop a a full scale army invasion from Turkey.
but don't think anyone will go that far. we will have to wait and see.. anything can happen ,bur ERdogan does not
think carefully his actions.. his driven more by emotions ,that common sense and that have always to be taken into consideration.

France can't establish a no fly zone in Syria (northern Syria or otherwise) even if it wanted (really wanted) too. Pipedreams.

Moreover, trying to deny Turkish access to nothern syrian airspace that results in some sort of confrontation will end up badly...................................for the French. They're outnumbered and far, far away from home. Again, pipedream.

The only thing the French can do to the Turks, to gain a decisive advantage in a pipedream confrontation is, well, NUKE them.

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