Perhaps Assad could act... nice public trials of captured civilians from Britain and the US and Israel and France other places, that were captured working with and helping terrorist forces... nice public trials that are long and drawn out and show every detail online of their crimes... and then publicly execute them as the terrorists they are...
While they are being tried they could be held in places that the west might be tempted to break them out in some sort of special forces operation... which could actually be a big trap to capture or just kill more special forces soldiers of the west...
You guys are so hung up on the obvious... take more time to think about revenge... revenge that leads to WWIII is not revenge... it is suicide... even if you are right and they are wrong.
Killing Israeli soldiers is not a problem for Iran. The question needs to be asked, what was satanyahoo thinking that a pussy attack like this would go unanswered?.......lol.......
Lavrov:Russia to present UNSC draft resolution on OPCW probe of alleged Syria chemical attack.The document would require a transparent investigation with work at the site.
Syria Invites OPCW to Probe Alleged Chemical Attack in Douma/Duma. Syria will provide all the necessary assistance to the OPCW specialists if they come to Douma
Agree . The reason the usraelis did a hit now is to act as a catalyst for intensifying tension and forcing the hands of yank and Co . To come to their defense . When is this OPCW report due ? I thought that the neoconservative took great political risk by carrying out this false flag in UK . But I thought again that it did not really matter for them , because they only needed a SMALL fig leaf ! And they planned for a push to war anyway . If I am right and the operation in UK was complete hoax , involving no chemicals and OPCW is not under their control , then they will attack before the report is due . And the report will show no chemicals .
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No kidding nomadski.......now the Skripals have been discharged from hospital, and are fighting fit as the novichok couldn't really choke the father and daughter.......lol. They showed tremendous resistance to that deadly toxin!
They are being assigned new identities given US passports and will live out the rest of their days as US citizens in probably California. How nice!
nomadski wrote:Agree . The reason the usraelis did a hit now is to act as a ccatalyst for intensifying tension and forcing the hands of yank and Co . To come to their defense . When is this OPCW report due ? I thought that the neoconservative took great political risk by carrying out this false flag in UK . But I thought again that it did not really matter for them , because they only needed a SMALL fig leaf ! And they planned for a push to war anyway . If I am right and the operation in UK was complete hoax , involving no chemicals and OPCW is not under their control , then they will attack before the report is due . And the report will show no chemicals .
Yes lulldapull , the hospital in UK announced that the patient will need ongoing treatment and has asked for privacy . And that treatment will continue until ALL ENZYMES HAVE RETURNED TO NORMAL LEVELS ! Meaning no evidence of any "chemicals " left in body and no evidence of any imbalance in body immune system ! Therefore "patient " no different to how they were before the " attack " .
lulldapull wrote:Ok vann number 7. You made your point. Now after all this hoo haa, lets see Putin or Iran use the 'Father of All Bombs' against a CIA jihadist target or USN warship!
Fair enough?
Sure .. Just remember than any retaliation of Russia ,if Syria attacked..will not be about Syria.. but about Russia..for the defense of Russian soldiers. but also that if Russia use nukes.. it will not be the end of the world... Japan was nuked 2 times and lost 2 cities.. but Japan is still around. Even a tzar bomb dropped in Syria ,will not destroy all Syria not even close. Tzar bomb already was detonated and nobody was killed in Russia.. Already the world was nuked close to 3,000 times.. in tests..of all nations.. and nobody was killed. just radiated sand . So nukes are powerful but only if they used in cities.. and most of the energy go upward.. So their range of destruction is not enough to "end the world" as many believe .. Russia claims it can destroy with one nuke a state of the size of country of the size of France or Texas.. so i don't see how thats possible . but in any case..
The point is.. there are many levels of war.. and for a total war to happen ,a nuclear hollocaust.. no less than a thousand of nukes will need to fly in both directions.. and im not saying Syria will provoke that..really don't think that will happen.. but a limited war is probably what NATO is looking to do.. something with a few warships sinked and military bases bombed from both sides.. and then peace talks.. and who ever comes with the upper hand will have a way to demand more.. is crazy... but this is what i think NATO aims.. To humiliate Russia is the real goal of this attack on Syria. because as others have said.. not even 200 tomahawks missiles can change in a meaningful way the control in the ground of the Syrian army.. Any attack on Syria ,will be not for any chemicals. but only to humiliate Russia worldwide and to justify the isolation of Russia economy by Europe... So is a small confrontation what they aim.... and the real aim is Putin + total isolation of Russia economy. to tie the hands of europe..for ending relations with Russia.
however the problem with all this.. is that Trump is not aware of how can third party players , ie.. Israel ,Saudis,Britain.. others ,could intentionally fuel the war to bigger new levels.. if for example US warships target homs, but mysterious underwater submarines , (Israel) not part of the strike ,launch cruise missiles attacks too on their own ,on Russia military base.. to provoke a full scale war between US and Russia... see this? or any happy trigger general ,can also do the same.. So this is why a world war 3 can happen ,because you never can predict ,the outcome..
another danger is False Flag attacks.. for example..US position their warships near Cyprus.. and then Russia retaliate to the warships.. then mysterious bombs planted by CIA,can go off in Cyprus cities.. with many civilians killed and later claimed.. Putin did it.. see this? Or the military base of US army in eastern Syria desert.. could be filled with thousands of women and children.. so if Russia retaliate to US for bombing Syria to the base,, Russia not knowing this.. Russia could end killing thousands civilians , framed by US provocations.
So if Trump attack Syria as he says will do.. don't be surprised by more false flags attacks and blamed on Russia.. A city bombed in Europe ,and claimed Putin missiles did it.. or a civilian airliner plane shut down and blamed on Putin. etc. and i will not be surprised if Many Generals believe ,that already a world war 3 ,cannot be avoided.. Because Trump and US Gov will not back down and will only continue increasing their hostilities.. So don't be surprised if Russia military takes the decision for a full scale war with US... a preventive mass scale attack on US military.. so to fast forward the movie...and force United States to peace, through a defeat.. a policy like that could be understood. Is like if you know war can't be avoided.. and it will be either them or you.. then hit with everything first ,to get the better chances ,of ending with the upper hand.. if for example all Ohio submarines located its positions.. it will be very tempting for Russia military to target them.. in retaliation for any attack on Syria.. this will significantly reduce US capability to cause mayor damage on Russia.
In summary.. US pretty much looks is seeking to provoke a very limited military confrontation with Russia.. on purpose.. in the hopes that Russia will do nothing.. but if they do..then it will still be a major victory ,.Because the damage will be just one warship.. and this will justify US to demand Europe of total isolation of Russia economy.. However this dangerous games of americans..So this dangerous games could make Russia military reach the conclusion that relations will never improve ,that they are wasting their time.. and that the only way for peace is full scale war in a preventive way.. allowing Russia to position their forces in the correct places.. because once a warship is sinked.. it will be much harder for Russia to position their forces ,when war is already on.
Head of Duma defense committee promises military response to any US aggression in Syria
some very rare common sense journalist in american media.. Tucker Carlson slams US foreign policy in no-holds-barred monologue on Syria, social media explodes
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Isos wrote:There are reports on sputnik that a US carrier is heading to syria with an escort group. We could see some mig 31 BM in Syria soon with Kinzhal.
Confirmed The Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group (HSTCSG) is being deployed to the Mediterranean Wednesday, where it will join the USS Donald Cook off Syrian territorial waters.
The aircraft carrier will be accompanied by guided-missile destroyers USS Arleigh Burke (DDG 51), USS Bulkeley (DDG 84), USS Forrest Sherman (DDG 98) and USS Farragut (DDG 99), as well as the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG 60). The Destroyers USS The Sullivans (DDG 68) and USS Jason Dunham (DDG 109) will join the HSTCSG later, according to a statement by the US Navy.
The Sachssen-class German frigate FGS Hessen (F 221) will also operate as part of the strike group during the first half of the deployment.
It is worth noting that it will take approximately 6-7 days for the group to cross the Atlantic at 30 knots, plus another 3-4 three days once it arrives in the Mediterranean, to reach Syria, suggesting a full-blown on attack may not take place until after April 22 or so.
Isos wrote:There are reports on sputnik that a US carrier is heading to syria with an escort group. We could see some mig 31 BM in Syria soon with Kinzhal.
Kinzhal can be launched from Russian territory. No need for those MiG-31's to be in Syria.
Isos wrote:There are reports on sputnik that a US carrier is heading to syria with an escort group. We could see some mig 31 BM in Syria soon with Kinzhal.
Confirmed The Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group (HSTCSG) is being deployed to the Mediterranean Wednesday, where it will join the USS Donald Cook off Syrian territorial waters.
The aircraft carrier will be accompanied by guided-missile destroyers USS Arleigh Burke (DDG 51), USS Bulkeley (DDG 84), USS Forrest Sherman (DDG 98) and USS Farragut (DDG 99), as well as the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG 60). The Destroyers USS The Sullivans (DDG 68) and USS Jason Dunham (DDG 109) will join the HSTCSG later, according to a statement by the US Navy.
The Sachssen-class German frigate FGS Hessen (F 221) will also operate as part of the strike group during the first half of the deployment.
It is worth noting that it will take approximately 6-7 days for the group to cross the Atlantic at 30 knots, plus another 3-4 three days once it arrives in the Mediterranean, to reach Syria, suggesting a full-blown on attack may not take place until after April 22 or so.
You will have to add Israel too in the mix.. they will be leading the attacks on Syria.. for sure again.
So There you go with the Fifa Olympics..
The aim of this is total humiliation of Russia and get all nations in the world aligned with USA empire..and isolation of Russia economy or at least from the half of the world.. Is a fight for world leadership.. I think this is the best time for CHinesse navy to enter in Syria to help Russia..but is unlikely they will show up. they are very opportunistic self center like India.
If Russia don't respond , the attacks will continue..and the risk of Russian soldiers killed. And retreating from Syria will not calm down , Russian enemies.. their hostilities will be more open.. if Russia respond then Russia will face a regional war in Syria and will be a guarantee that Russia will be isolated from Europe energy business. but it will happen anyway sooner or later if Russia retreat because Americans will not stop their hostilities.
.. And FIFA 2018.. dito.. it was a terrible mistake to host World Cup knowing the world will be at the start of a world war 3. Russia is being put into a corner.. it can't abandon Syria to fate of being turned into another Lybia like NATO did ,and abandoning the fate of millions of civilians , and it can't neither allow its soldiers attacked.. Russia will have to sink at least 1 warship and will have to do it as soon as the attacks starts.. so to stop them.. otherwise will face a major wave of missiles..
Is unbelievable how desperate is the west.. what could go wrong with so many warships attacking Syria ? if this doesn't start a world war 3.. nothing will do.. Now the question is where are those ,who said here will be no world war in Syria? Is not for Syria ,that NATO or Russia fights. is a war of NATO against Russia and Syria is NATO chosen battlefield.
basically Russia is being put into a wall , with no option for an acceptable retreat..abandoning Millions civilians into the hands of NATO backed Terrorist. Merkel without a doubt will go down in History as a traitor to germans. even though it have to be said ,that Merkel don't control the German Navy.. The minister of defense of Germany is selected by NATO ,not Germany gov.. . but at least Merkel can speak against this dangerous game and pressure US and NATO to stop. the war in Syria.
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Even if you get them to hold an investigation, all the U.S and their side needs is confirmation that a chemical attack took place... the details do not matter (as to what type of chemical, how it may have been administered) and neither does the question "who did it" since we all know the coalition against Syria, through their proxies are behind it. They'll blame Syria, just like they blame Russia in the Skripals case. That's a certainty.
Thus, if the U.S gives the go-ahead to this institution to conduct the investigation and the reports of the movement of naval assets is true this is merely foreshadowing what they'll do once they get what they need out of the investigation. Not to mention other false flag attacks can appear all over the map in any area under green/yellow control - it's their playground now.
Russia is playing the OPCW investigations too much. No one cares, everything is a farce. What do they expect? Delay? For the leadership of the West to come to its senses in the face of "evidence"? You don't pull these provocations if you're going to backtrack later cause you get "exposed". The whole world watches the farce and keeps their mouths shut.
The contest has dissolved into who has the will and the biggest cojones to push the other around. Americans call this "our resolve". Russian MOD came out, with Garasimov giving the warning himself (couldn't have spell it out any clearer) and the attack was still carried out - the script taking shape exactly as described. That's not the sort of player with an interest in dialogue....it's a player deadset on a collision course asking everyone to get the fuck out of their way or else.
Russia should be commended for intervening in Syria, but boy have they miscalculated their opponent. Despite their own selfish reasons (self preservation being one) the world sorely needs a counter-balance.
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Anyway, as of right now, who knows what will happen. I'm thinking a strike will happen but the west will do it's best to avoid hitting Russian assets. But if Russians do get hit, then I have zero idea. I doubt Putin is interested in letting a lot of his countrymen get killed by US in Syria, but he also cannot afford to not respond.
Maybe give Syria advanced enough weapons to strike US and allies hard.
Austin wrote:Well Russia can bite the bullet of the strike and live to fight another day.
There is no need to react urgently just be calm and take some hits and re-cuprate and think.
If attack is tonight , Expecting tommorow Russian stock market to tank and rouble to reach 70-80 to USD .....lets see time will tell.
Even if Russians die then its a good opportunity for Putin to wean away from West and tell his people I tried but I failed
Might as well pull out of Syria.
If the U.S gets away with any of that they'll try again, and again, until force meets force. Not to mention that America's lackies will be even more emboldened to follow their master in unison on any such action.
At this point it's safe to say the U.S wants a major world crisis to occur. Probably the goal is to isolate Russia and seal it off from Europe as well as give justification for all sorts of aggressive harrassement. When you have such an opponent, there is little you can do to avoid what's coming to you. There is only so much "diplomacy" and "delay tactics" can do.
I've come to the conclusion that despite the strategic mistakes (of Russia with regards to Syria) that this sort of looming crisis was unavoidable to them. It would have happened in Ukraine instead.
A few miscalculations of Russians when entering this conflict:
1. Not seizing the initiative to establish a "no-fly zone" early and set the pecking order in Syria, at the very start of the conflict. Aka everyone get the fuck out or else. The shock might get them worried of calling bluff when everyone is scrambling to strategize and get a feel for each others intentions. Put your opponents on their heels. Do not lose the initiative. Show that you mean business. Mobilize your Naval assets in big numbers to Syria as well as deploy some army battalions if only just for show until you get what you want: clear non-contested airspace, no foreign boots on the ground (except their undercover rats which are unavoidable).
2. Not covering all the angles - specially the "The Kurds" topic. Negotiate early with YPG.... if by a certain timeframe (say a month at most) they don't come under your umbrella (and you suspect strong collaboration with the americans) work actively to dismember them - aka bomb them and demonize them to hell and back - cash-in on Turkey split early). Big mistake letting Americans use them to put boots on the ground when there was plenty of time to destroy them or render them useless.
3. Fuck Israeli's interest - keep your allies strong, close and protected. Your interests and those of your allies in the conflict come FIRST. Take away unnecessary distractions from such a pest - not to mention the message you're sending.
4. Non-existant response by Putin after the first U.S attack on Syria (with this hoax as a pretext), again failing to seize the initiative (with cause) to establish a no-fly-zone and/or respond by attacking American proxies and giving the same ultimatum to American troops on the ground (get the hell out of x area) - force meets force, tit-for-tat. Otherwise you invite more as a sign of weakness - here we are again.
5. The deal for the East of Euphrates demarcation. Why the fuck agree to this?
6. Bucking to pressure with the ceasefires that led to nowhere. Show resolve and that you mean business. Crush them and let them do whatever the hell they want at the U.N. Veto everything of significance. You're the enemy - today and tomorrow.
Plus others....and as you can see some of these decisions are a direct consequence of others or reinforce each other. It's like a domino effect.
Tactical military operations from Russians have been very good but political resolve and strategic thinking has been a MASSIVE LETDOWN - whomever came with the idea of accommodating everyone's interest as best as possible (as in a strategy) should be shot dead in the Kremlin. This sort of thing still plagues Russians till this day...and sadly, it has major consequences. I mean from the very beginning seeing Russia take so long to intervene showed incisiveness. You could make the case that a strategy needed to be formulated first but clearly the only thing that excels in Syria are military man carrying out tactics of warfare not the political strategist who should have seen this coming long before protests started in Syria (since they had intelligence on it - the FSB is not incompetent in acquiring intelligence).
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Austin wrote: Even if Russians die then its a good opportunity for Putin to wean away from West and tell his people I tried but I failed
The think is.. That the war of United States against Russia began long time ago.. it started with Syria ,then moved to Ukraine.. and they will not stop..So retreating will not calm their enemies.. it will have to plan to fight sooner or later.. since is not Syria the real goal of americans ,but Russia.. The created the Syrian war to Bleed Russia.. and to humiliate Russia , so if Russia retreat Syria will be over run , and then the battlefield will switch to Ukraine or Serbia or moldova..so eventually Russia will have to fight.. if not now ,then later.. retreating will only give russia months to prepare for a major world war.. staying and fighting give Russia the chance to stop NATO in Syria.. and make it very expensive for them.. any aggression.
Austin wrote: Even if Russians die then its a good opportunity for Putin to wean away from West and tell his people I tried but I failed
The issue is.. That the war of US against Russia began long time ago.. it started with Syria ,then moved to Ukraine..and now Syria again..and they will not stop..So retreating will not calm their enemies.. it will have to plan to fight sooner or later.. since is not Syria the real goal of americans ,but Russia.. The created the Syrian war to Bleed Russia.. and to humiliate Russia ,to bankrupt Russia economy,to isolate Russia and to get the world behind United States for fear of retaliation and experience the same they do to Russia. so if Russia retreat, Syria will be over run ,millions will be killed ,all the gain of Russia reversed.. and then the battlefield will switch to Ukraine or Serbia or moldova..so eventually Russia will have to fight.or to fight. or accept giving all its nuclear weapons..and become under submission of US..like Europe... if not now ,then later.. retreating will only give russia months to prepare for an even bigger world war 3.. staying and fighting give Russia the chance to stop NATO in Syria..and contain the fight only to the middle east. and make it very expensive for them.. any aggression. If Russia retreat ,Israel will invade Syria and possibly Turkey will switch sides too ,because of fear of being attacked next. So is a matter of where to fight..the choice.. and not to solve differences. If Russia wants to contain the fight to Syria? or if Russia wants to retreat gain months and take the fight to the entire world? Because if RUssia retreat ,and leave Syria.. they will be over run..and the NATO will switch to any other ally of Russia, like Serbia ,Transnistria in moldova ,Venezuela while at the same time restarting the war in Ukraine..and also Uzbekistan too.. with ISIS..
So the war for Russia will not end.. only will continue moving from country to country ,the goal is to bleed Russia economy and damage the Image of Putin..since always Russia allies attacked . This is a real war.. just that is done first by proxy to Russian allies to force Russia to interfere and later they target Russian soldiers directly by "mistake". So they playing a game. And the only options of Russia is to choose the battle field that they will start a direct war.. and Russia only will achieve peace when it defeat US.. because a revolution in US will not do it. and dialogue with US elites is impossible.
and FiFA 2018 will be dangerous for Russia.. it will have 350,000 visitors from NATO ,trouble makers ,that many thousands of them will be paid ,to provoke Riots in Russia and non stop terrorism ,burning shopping malls across 12 cities , to damage Putin for not protecting Russians and provoke civil unrest. Russia should postpone FIFA to end of year... at least or cancel it because of the World Tensions.
if i was Putin ,i will detonate a small nuke withing visual safe distance of the warships ,just to send them a signal.. of what will happen if they continue.
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Isos wrote:There are reports on sputnik that a US carrier is heading to syria with an escort group. We could see some mig 31 BM in Syria soon with Kinzhal.
No need for Kinzhal, older Anti Ship missiles (KH-35) will also do the job Kinzhal is an overkill for this situation, it will be only used in an full-out war.
JohninMK wrote:
.. And FIFA 2018.. dito.. it was a terrible mistake to host World Cup knowing the world will be at the start of a world war 3.
Agree, hosting FIFA worldcup is a mistake, but who could predict the situation we have now? This sport event is one of biggest russias vulnerabilitys, zionists knows it and they can play the "sanctions card" and hurt russian economy badly. I still think they will use the world cup to hit russia, maybe starting from May on....we will see The world cup is the biggest trump card they have to put pressure on Russia, I cant believe they will miss out such a big opportunity to hurt russia! We already know how this filth is working.
ATLASCUB wrote:THE OPCW thing is a farce.
Even if you get them to hold an investigation, all the U.S and their side needs is confirmation that a chemical attack took place...
Absolutely agree on this one. Problem is, Russia is still playing by "international rules" while others just dont give a single f.. anymore, they play dirty and unfair. Its already confirmed there was no chemical attack, US also accepting it...but they still want to launch a strike As you see, Russia is playing "fair" in an "unfair" game, it doesnt matter anymore... But dont confuse this with WEAKNESS! Im confident Russia is just exploiting everything it can (playing by international laws) so if shit hits the van Russia can say "we did absoltely everything by the playbook, but they still want war" and then finally, as last resort, the Bear awakens! Remember guys, Russia is very very patient and always plays longterm, because Russia knows like no other what war is, what destruction it brings, it does absolutely everything to avoid war. But a Bear also has its limits, and if cornered, may God have mercy upon his enemies!
Just putting this up as an example of the armchair Generalling going on out there. The poster is editor of the Royal Aeronautical Society magazine so perhaps better qualified than many. Not sure what to make of it tho'.
BREAKING: Russia Jams US Military Drones Collecting Data To Attack Syria
DAMASCUS, Syria – Anonymous US officials have been cited by NBC who have said that US military operations in the Mediterranean and Syria have been disrupted after the Russian military scrambled active US military drones in the region.
According to the cited US officials, the drones began to be blocked after a “series of alleged chemical weapons attacks on civilians in Eastern Ghouta” which were blamed on the Syrian government without evidence.
The most likely reason for the Russian jamming is because of US President Donald Trump’s likeliness to approve attacks against Syria because of the recent alleged chemical weapon attack in Duma that has been blamed on the Syrian government.
“GPS receivers in most drones can be fairly easily jammed,” Dr. Todd Humphreys, the director of the Radionavigation Laboratory at the University of Texas at Austin said.
With US President Donald Trump seemingly about to approve attacks against Syria, the drones are most likely collecting data on potential attack sites.
and...
The Russians are utilisig special equipment that blocks the operation of GPS receivers. As a result, operators receive incorrect geolocation data, causing drones to crash. This causes a significant impact on the US operation in Syria. Despite the fact that the drones are equipped with means against “jamming” of signals, these do not work against Russian systems and the military is forced to take additional measures to protect their drone aircraft.
It became known earlier that the United States was considering the Russian airfield in Khmeimim in the Syrian Latakia as a target for a military strike
Seems Russia jamming US drones in syria collecting data for next strikes. and a Poseidon Spy plane trying to get intelligence around Russia military base.
The United States of America can expect “serious consequences” if Washington strikes a blow against the Syrian government troops. Such a statement was made by Russia’s permanent representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzia.
The US leadership is considering an attack on Syrian territory in response in an alleged chemical attack in the city of the Douma. The diplomat recalled that Russian experts on radiological, chemical and biological protection found no signs of a chemical attack. A reminder, that President Putin warned of a chemical weapon provocation in Syria a number of days ago.
“We have repeatedly warned the American side about the possible negative consequences of their use of weapons against the legitimate Syrian government, and especially if the use of these weapons – God forbid, of course – affect our military, who are lawfully in Syria,” Nebenzia said.
According to him, Western politicians need to “moderate their hawkish rhetoric” and stop challenging global security. He also stressed that Western leaders were not obliged to perform the role of world gendarmes.
Earlier, US President Donald Trump announced plans to strike at Syria in around two days time.
Breaking: Russian jets buzz American and French warships near the Syrian coast line The jets were fully armed with missiles.
It seems that there will be 2 attacks... one at any moment.. and another round for a major fleet of warships that will arrive in days.. But the next warships don't need to reach Syria ,they could launch strikes from 1500km away.. So is possible they will keep distance , just in case.. The real difficult thing will be submarines.. If Russia don't know their locations.. they could strike and run away..
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