Syrian War: News #17

Only the delusional (and probably very worried in those same moments behind closed doors) operatives at Pentagon can get even only the the face to pass to the public opinion the idea to have attacked with 76 missiles an almost undefended civilian target composed of 3 not reinforced building of medium-small size, or that those SAM missiles was shot in a "ballistic unguided way"      

Naturally if even the man that managed to become the most influencial one in that nation believed that those antediluvian garbage of cruise missiles was something "new" and "smart", we realize that probably the audience at which that was aimed could well buy those level of idiocies.    

On the other side even theirs usual pawns at SOHR cannot find the courage to follow them in that truly self-embarrassing farce

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=89324


For say nothing about any of theirs INT professional, no more bound to its operative Opsec adherence

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/trumps-big-flop-in-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html    


Practically western forces has been forced to attempt to cover this authenticate disaster declaring as theirs unique targets the only ones that them has been capable in some way to hit, and for no other reason that all of them had literally zero military value and was almost undefended (in particular Панцирь-С1 and Бук batteries was all placed, in the wait for the attack, at defence of the most sensible military targets such as air bases, major radar installations and main command centers and, as expected, have achieved Pk for single interceptor against those trivial subsonic targets near to 1)

LOL
New more evidence surface , of the staged chemical attack in Duma..
The children part of the video now speaking...

Murad Gazdiev
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11-year-old “victim of Syria chemical attack” and his family say they were asked to play along in White Helmets video. Say they did it for food.

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

If only walls could talk. Wonder what was in and on those desks a few months ago and why they thought it worthwhile to blow that last area?

Qalaat Al Mudiq
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3h3 hours ago

E. #Ghouta: what's left of Command Center belonging to Jaish Islam's Chief of Staff, set up in a bunker under town of #Duma.







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Ivan Sidorenko
‏ @IvanSidorenko1
48m48 minutes ago

#Syria #Douma
Medical Tower building which was hiding Jaish al-Islam Leadership Commander center Base underground &
It was equipped w/ high-Precision Cameras capable of monitoring long distances & contained comm devices that would enable them to communicate w/ all its points

Mindstorm wrote:





Only the delusional (and probably very worried in those same moments behind closed doors) operatives at Pentagon can get even only the the face to pass to the public opinion the idea to have attacked with 76 missiles an almost undefended civilian target composed of 3 not reinforced building of medium-small size, or that those SAM missiles was shot in a "ballistic unguided way"      

Naturally if even the man that managed to become the most influencial one in that nation believed that those antediluvian garbage of cruise missiles was something "new" and "smart", we realize that probably the audience at which that was aimed could well buy those level of idiocies.    

On the other side even theirs usual pawns at SOHR cannot find the courage to follow them in that truly self-embarrassing farce

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=89324


For say nothing about any of theirs INT professional, no more bound to its operative Opsec adherence

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/trumps-big-flop-in-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html    


Practically western forces has been forced to attempt to cover this authenticate disaster declaring as theirs unique targets the only ones that them has been capable in some way to hit, and for no other reason that all of them had literally zero military value and was almost undefended (in particular Панцирь-С1 and Бук batteries was all placed, in the wait for the attack, at defence of the most sensible military targets such as air bases, major radar installations and main command centers and, as expected, have achieved Pk for single interceptor against those trivial subsonic targets near to 1)

i have put a bmpd article on syrian modern air defence systems here
https://www.russiadefence.net/t4460p50-syrian-air-defence-force#222332

WATCH: SYRIAN BOY CLAIMS HE WAS RECRUITED TO STAGE CHEMICAL ATTACK

A Syrian boy claims he unwittingly participated in faking a chemical weapons attack in Douma, which prompted a coalition airstrike from British, French and US forces last week.

In an interview released by Russia 24 TV Wednesday, Hassan Diab recalls being lured to a local hospital where he was grabbed by unknown people, doused in water and filmed.


“We were in the basement. Mom told me that today we don’t have anything to eat and that we will eat tomorrow. We heard a cry outside, calling ‘go to the hospital.’ We ran to the hospital and as soon as I entered, they grabbed me and started pouring water on me,” Diab said, according to a translation from Sputnik News.

Diab appears fine in the interview with no evidence or symptoms indicating he suffered a recent chemical attack.

The boy’s father told KP.ru journalist Alexander Kots that he did not believe there were any chemical weapons, and that oblivious participants, including his son, were later fed snacks at the hospital.

“There were no chemical weapons. I smoked outside and felt nothing. I entered the hospital and saw my family. Militants gave them dates, cookies and rice for participating in this film and released everyone to their homes,” Diab’s father said.



The al-Qaeda affiliated White Helmets non-governmental organization has frequently been accused of staging attacks on civilians to blame the Bashar Al Assad regime.

The boy’s testimony comes as neocons pressure President Trump to continue a military campaign started last Friday, where coalition forces launched missile strikes at specific targets in Damascus.

The original information is from Russia media.. Infowars is only translating it to English..  

Now even British former Ambassador of Syria is reporting about this story... in FOX news..
under Tucker Carlson program in Fox ,the only journalist of major US MSM who opposed the bombings
and have been saying it was staged and fake the chemical attack....


https://www.infowars.com/watch-syrian-boy-claims-he-was-recruited-to-stage-chemical-attack/

I'm not disputing any figures Garry, all I'm wondering is where is the mountain pile of downed tomahawk components. That pile would be the first thing SyAA would/ should show off to silence all the critics.

Do you think their first thoughts when shooting these things down was to ignore the rest of the missiles coming in and trying to locate where the first missiles they shot down landed?

Do you think their highest priority is to go and find some souvenirs, rather than debrief and analyse performance issues... not to mention reload their missile launchers in case there is a second attack?

Debris is only important if they want to prove they are telling the truth... but who exactly are they going to prove that to?

I am sure the european missiles will be a priority so they can pick through their components and see what makes them tick, but they don't need more than a few Tomahawks... they likely already have quite a collection.

GarryB wrote:

I'm not disputing any figures Garry, all I'm wondering is where is the mountain pile of downed tomahawk components. That pile would be the first thing SyAA would/ should show off to silence all the critics.

Do you think their first thoughts when shooting these things down was to ignore the rest of the missiles coming in and trying to locate where the first missiles they shot down landed?

Do you think their highest priority is to go and find some souvenirs, rather than debrief and analyse performance issues... not to mention reload their missile launchers in case there is a second attack?

Debris is only important if they want to prove they are telling the truth... but who exactly are they going to prove that to?

I am sure the european missiles will be a priority so they can pick through their components and see what makes them tick, but they don't need more than a few Tomahawks... they likely already have quite a collection.

Do you expect intelligent people to believe 71/103 shot down without proof? Especially after the poor performance of Soviet legacy systems in multiple conflicts across the Middle East.  Not to mention that Israel has been bombing Syria with impunity for the majority of the conflict. And now all of the sudden Syrian AD swats 70 missiles out of the sky?

And we are supposed to believe that with no FLIR footage or tomahawk wrecks which should literally be everywhere.

You criticize US propaganda and make fun of dumb Americans who eat it up but expect us to act in the exact same way regarding claims by Syrian and Russian government with zero evidence.

Trust me bud. I’m rooting for Russia and Syria in this conflict but I can’t go with blind faith. If you watch some of Syria press reports it’s almost like Baghdad bob “ the American troops are being repelled” as bombs are falling all around him.

The Syrian Air Force and the Syrian AD can be summed in 2 words from the 70s to now.

COMPLETE FAILURE. So excuse the fact there are some of us who aren’t buying it.

Let’s be honest here.

If Russia fired a 100 kalibres at Saudi Arabia or Yemen launched 100 Iran knock off scuds and the Saudi’s claimed a 70% interception rate, you would be the first one up in arms screaming demanding proof.

You are way too biased and giving Russia/Syria too much benefit of the doubt.

New syrian home grown missile launcher not bad attempt looks fairly well made. Carrys three 500mm rockets containing at least 400kg of explosives no mention on range but can't be that far. Would be even more deadly if they were thermobaric lol.



Unable to copy and paste link for some reason source al masdar

Mindless_drone wrote:

GarryB wrote:

I'm not disputing any figures Garry, all I'm wondering is where is the mountain pile of downed tomahawk components. That pile would be the first thing SyAA would/ should show off to silence all the critics.

Do you think their first thoughts when shooting these things down was to ignore the rest of the missiles coming in and trying to locate where the first missiles they shot down landed?

Do you think their highest priority is to go and find some souvenirs, rather than debrief and analyse performance issues... not to mention reload their missile launchers in case there is a second attack?

Debris is only important if they want to prove they are telling the truth... but who exactly are they going to prove that to?

I am sure the european missiles will be a priority so they can pick through their components and see what makes them tick, but they don't need more than a few Tomahawks... they likely already have quite a collection.

Do you expect intelligent people to believe 71/103 shot down without proof? Especially after the poor performance of Soviet legacy systems in multiple conflicts across the Middle East.  Not to mention that Israel has been bombing Syria with impunity for the majority of the conflict. And now all of the sudden Syrian AD swats 70 missiles out of the sky?

And we are supposed to believe that with no FLIR footage or tomahawk wrecks which should literally be everywhere.

You criticize US propaganda and make fun of dumb Americans who eat it up but expect us to act in the exact same way regarding claims by Syrian and Russian government with zero evidence.

Trust me bud. I’m rooting for Russia and Syria in this conflict but I can’t go with blind faith. If you watch some of Syria press reports it’s almost like Baghdad bob “ the American troops are being repelled” as bombs are falling all around him.

The Syrian Air Force and the Syrian AD can be summed in 2 words from the 70s to now.

COMPLETE FAILURE. So excuse the fact there are some of us who aren’t buying it.

Let’s be honest here.

If Russia fired a 100 kalibres at Saudi Arabia or Yemen launched 100 Iran knock off scuds and the Saudi’s claimed a 70% interception rate, you would be the first one up in arms screaming demanding proof.

You are way too biased and giving Russia/Syria too much benefit of the doubt.

I can try to believe that Syrian AD didn't shootdown any missile...but if 105 missiles have actually been launched ... the damage are relatively insignificant on targets ... or some have lost their way.

No one asking you to believe zero missiles were shot down. Obviously some were. Obviously some failed. Obviously some missed as we can see from the satellite footage.  We are arguing over the numbers.

Some missiles shot down vs we diverted a decent sized cruise missile attack with a few modern sams and and garbage Soviet legacy equipment is a bold claim for anyone to be making. Especially by people whose Air Force and Sam operators have never performed very well. Some evidence needs to be provided when making claims like these.

Mindless_drone wrote:No one asking you to believe zero missiles were shot down. Obviously some were. Obviously some failed. Obviously some missed as we can see from the satellite footage.  We are arguing over the numbers.

Some missiles shot down vs we diverted a decent sized cruise missile attack with a few modern sams and and garbage Soviet legacy equipment is a bold claim for anyone to be making. Especially by people whose Air Force and Sam operators have never performed very well. Some evidence needs to be provided when making claims like these.

Same for US/UK and France..."evidence needs to be provided making claims" that none cruise missiles were downed and performed well...

Isos wrote:https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-hands-over-two-intact-us-cruise-missiles-that-failed-to-detonate-to-russian-military-reports/

According to the TASS news agency claiming to cite a source in the Syrian Ministry of Defense, the Syrian Army has handed over two intact US cruise missiles to the Russian military.

The cruise missiles in question had been used to attack Syria during a US-led strike operation against Syrian military targets on April 14, however, failed to detonate for unknown reasons.

The captured missiles were reportedly delivered to Russian military forces in Syria on April 17 and have since been transferred to Russia via plane as of April 18. TASS says that the Russian Ministry of Defence has not commented as of this time.

The failure of the missiles to detonate can likely be put down to one of two things; first, general operational failure or, second, failure due to jamming by electronic warfare systems.

Not impossible... but it's TASS...

Mindless_drone wrote:
The Syrian Air Force and the Syrian AD can be summed in 2 words from the 70s to now.

COMPLETE FAILURE.

No I wouldn't say so. The Syrian AD killed quite a few IAF aircraft in '73, and even the SAF got some kills--more than Egypt according to Pollack. Performance was worse in '82 but even then the SAF got in one or more good punches in the air to ground role.

starman wrote:

Mindless_drone wrote:
The Syrian Air Force and the Syrian AD can be summed in 2 words from the 70s to now.

COMPLETE FAILURE.

No I wouldn't say so. The Syrian AD killed quite a few IAF aircraft in '73, and even the SAF got some kills--more than Egypt according to Pollack. Performance was worse in '82 but even then the SAF got in one or more good punches in the air to ground role.

And, recently, the F-16I...

Iraqi F-16s bombed ISIS target inside Syria close to the Iraqi border.

This would be at least the third time that Iraqi F-16s have bombed ISIS in Syria over the past 12 months.

Another thing I don’t understand is how there is so little cellphone footage.

I’m pretty sure every single Syrian has a cellphone. All of the refugees around Europe are talking on their cellphones nonstop.


Very puzzling

I am not arguing over numbers.

I am arguing over known facts.

We know the truth about US & Friends Claim. There's little truth in it.
I am Digging on my usual sources to find out more on the Russian side.

Before you think I believe that the Russians have shot down 70+ CM's. I don't, because there were never 105 missiles fired.

In this very site I have broken out a couple of "facts" that were known but not proven. Same here.

Both sides are laughing while lying between their teeth. Only the French got caught with their pants down, because their military personnel talks too much and really is at ods with their strategy in the MENA region since Sarkozy;

KoTeMoRe wrote:I am not arguing over numbers.

I am arguing over known facts.

We know the truth about US & Friends Claim. There's little truth in it.
I am Digging on my usual sources to find out more on the Russian side.

Before you think I believe that the Russians have shot down 70+ CM's. I don't, because there were never 105 missiles fired.

In this very site I have broken out a couple of "facts" that were known but not proven. Same here.

Both sides are laughing while lying between their teeth. Only the French got caught with their pants down, because their military personnel talks too much and really is at ods with their strategy in the MENA region since Sarkozy;  

I said before in some posts above that I don’t believe 105 cruise missiles were fired.

Of course America is gonna lie. America strong ????????. Why fire 10 missiles to destroy a couple shacks when you can fire 105?

T-90




Syrian Air Defense Forces Pantsir-S1/2

Last image shows the empty missiles casements which were used repelling the USA strike on Syria

Mindless_drone wrote:

I said before in some posts above that I don’t believe 105 cruise missiles were fired.

Of course America is gonna lie.  America strong ????????. Why fire 10 missiles to destroy a couple shacks when you can fire 105?

Ok dude,, you already told us a million of times that you don't believe Russia military side of the story..
Then Fine.. is up to you . But stop mining this thread several pages over the same thing over and over..
Most around here ,have no reason to doubt Russia military version.. or Syrian military version..  which is the
same.. specially when NATO claims no missile was intercepted. and there is video evidence they did..and when also Pentagon claimed that they "did not wanted to target" Assad military airports ,this time.. when they
did it last time..  So enough with your BullShit. If you have Proof Russia military lie.. then show it.. if not then shut up.
In the end is your opinion vs people opinions.. Neither one have irrefutable evidence of anything.  In your comparison of Iskanders vs Tomahawks is laughable.   Intercepting a hypersonic missile that fly at incredible speed and have ways to confuse enemy air defenses vs Intercepting a missile developed in the 80s.. that flight very Slow , have no defenses ,flight a linear path ,that even anti air defenses of world war 2 can shut it down.. Is BULL SHIT... NATO weapons are significantly inferior than Russian ones.. you can't question the fact that the slower a missile is.. the easier to intercept it it will be..  and if the missile is very very slow... and its trajectory fully know ,thanks to Russian AWACS ,then it could be understood the logic in defeating them so easily.. Subsonic missiles are the easier ones to defeat.. for being the slower ones in the world.. among world military. Russia trains with Supersonic missiles and Hypersonic ones.. which is several times harder.. so unless you can provide clear evidence that Russia did not intercepted 71 missiles
then shut up.