Syrian War: News #17

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You know nothing of tactics, the answer is fairly simple because Russia cannot replace the radar in the next hour they clearly wanted it to silence it so they could go for some Iranians.

If Israel was really trying to destroy Syrian AD they would have gotten more then one radar, they weren't attacking how you would if your mission was to silence air Defence

Everything else in your post has nothing to do with anything.

Uh so? doesn't matter if Russia gave it to them russians aren't manning them.

You really think Russia is going to shoot down Isreali aircraft because they destroyed some old radar really?.

When Russia hands it over it's Syrian weapons then, doesn't matter where it came from what matters is who is operating it.

This convo got silly, I am finished with it.

then you contradict your self..you told Russia can replace Syria air defenses easily..
Then whats the point? Syrian air defenses likely are also networked with Russia base radars..
so bombing Syria radars positions will NOT blind Syria air defenses.. completely ..not even close..
Pantsirs have their own passive infra red radars that can't be detected from planes. So is more a message
to Russia , what israel is doing.. that if Russia don't abandon its support for syria will be humiliated.
not friendly at all.

 Is Isreal is bombing anywhere in Syria without consulting with Russia ,
means they don't care about Russian soldiers lives..  this IS ,what you need to remember..
Israel is in a low profile calculated risk war against Russia.. is a protest war.. seeking to destroy all
the air defenses deployed by Russia.. they don't bomb Russia base.. but target positions where Russian
special forces are deployed..  Russia army is in damascus ,and Israel is bombing damascus what more proof
you need? Don't Israel think that a missile could go off course and kill Russians?  Why they don't careful
about Russian lives? and bomb Syrian army positions knowing Russian advisors are also deployed with
Syrian army ????  

This is also similar to US .. they don't target Russia directly..but they supply weapons to ISIS to kill Russian
soldiers ...Syria is a proxy war that now is becoming more and more direct..

Israel airforce is provoking also Russian airforce by flying very close to Tartus in moments
Israel is bombing Russia major ally.. Syria.... so if this is not hostile.. then no idea what hostility is.


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#Syria #Damascus UNCONFIRMED Report
by a Damascus News Page with over 1.2 Million Likes
"Reports that three enemy air crafts were shot down by air defence missiles"

it could be drones... Israel airforce is flying from far distances..

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#Syria Unconfirmed Report :
Merkava Zionist tank targeted on the outskirts of Shaaba farms in southern Lebanon and had been completely burned
#Israel #Israeli

Ivan Sidorenko

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2h2 hours ago
#Syria #Damascus #Quneitra #GolanHeights #Golan_Heights
#SAA #SyrianArmy Soldier Minutes ago :
Haifa
Kariat Shamouna
Our air defences chase the enemy air force to the depths of Palestine

could be an exaggeration but their good morale should be given credit.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You know nothing of tactics, the answer is fairly simple because Russia cannot replace the radar in the next hour they clearly wanted it to silence it so they could go for some Iranians.

If Israel was really trying to destroy Syrian AD they would have gotten more then one radar, they weren't attacking how you would if your mission was to silence air Defence

Everything else in your post has nothing to do with anything.

Uh so? doesn't matter if Russia gave it to them russians aren't manning them.

You really think Russia is going to shoot down Isreali aircraft because they destroyed some old radar really?.

When Russia hands it over it's Syrian weapons then, doesn't matter where it came from what matters is who is operating it.

This convo got silly, I am finished with it.

You are fooling yourself if you think that deployed SA-5 S-200 radars are not redundant at this point in Syria.

Israel only will learn the bad way. Lately they have been receiving hit after hit.

Yes, now Syria can shut down Israeli aircrafts, unlike in 2011.

Yes, now Syria can reach percentages of success with its air defense able to ridiculize US and Israeli missiles, unlike in 2011.

Yes, now Syria can sustain an exchange of missiles with Israel without losing 1 meter in the frontline, only to advance tomorrow, unlike in 2011.

Yes, now Syria can missile Israeli positions in the Golan, unlike in 2011.

And it will only become worse for Israel in the future.

a few hours ago , reports.. not recent but interesting ..
from halturner radio show..

Israeli Cabinet in Emergency Meeting DECLARATION OF WAR "LIKELY"

Syrian Army 4th Division Base struck by multiple Israeli missiles.

Israel says they are primarily striking at IRANIAN targets inside Syria but are engaging all "hostiles."

UNCONFIRMED -- UNCONFIRMED reports Syrians may have shot down an Israeli war plane.  UNCONFIRMED

SEVERAL "DIVISION 4" POSITIONS DESTROYED TONIGHT.  DIVISION 4 NEAR DAMASCUS IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST OF THE SYRIAN ARAB ARMY.

RUSSIAN JETS TAKEOFF FROM HMEYMIM AIR FORCE BASE TO CONFRONT ISRAELI JETS OVER LEBANON!

Electricity completely out in all of Damascus.  Population fleeing in panic.

UPDATE 1:02 AM EDT --
SECOND REPORT OF "MULTIPLE" ISRAELI WAR PLANES SHOT DOWN -- AT LEAST TWO ACCORDING TO REPORTS.

Hezbollah in Lebanon says it is deciding whether or not to attack Israel from Lebanon.

Unconfirmed reports by someone with the flag of syria as avatar ,that Syria fired 2 ballistic missiles deep inside
israel.. in retaliation for attacks on damascus ,this have not happened since more than 40 years ago..
If it is true it was a message that Syria will not limit itself ,to bombing golan heights. and will target
deep inside Israel , if Israel continues attacking Syria.

OK either Israel burns to the ground or Russia. 
There is no third way.

@papadragon

Not every cloud has a silver lining . As when there is total cloud cover . Or overcast . Similar to when our arrows will blot out the sun !

Excellent response by Syria . In retaliating against Usraeli attacks . By targeting Golan and further . I feel good today . Much better than yesterday........

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Isreal isn't going to attack the Russian's, that would be suicide on their part.

Nor is Isreal going to launch some massive ground invasion.

Cause at that point Russia will be forced to take down any aircraft that enter Lebanon airspace and BB doesn't want his planes being threatened when they enter that air space.

Israel is claiming they have hit SA-22 Pantsir units

Godric wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Isreal isn't going to attack the Russian's, that would be suicide on their part.

Nor is Isreal going to launch some massive ground invasion.

Cause at that point Russia will be forced to take down any aircraft that enter Lebanon airspace and BB doesn't want his planes being threatened when they enter that air space.

Israel is claiming they have hit SA-22 Pantsir units

Syria has S1's.

Isreal is also claiming they hit a few batteries, I don't think that's true atm however.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Syria has S1's.

Isreal is also claiming they hit a few batteries, I don't think that's true atm however.

Not impossible nothing is ,but very unlikely , since pantsirs can operate without active radars..and only use passive radars. So israeli planes will not see the pantsirs at all.. flying over lebanon.. aside the pantsirs are mobile..
so good luck for Israel to hit one of those..  The only way Pantsirs could be hit ,is if Israel used artillery ,and fired at them from visual distance.. but any experienced Pantsir operator will keep moving their pantsirs.. so hitting
them will be a major pain in the ass..

in other news..  5-6 hours old news..

[quote]

Wael wrote this on twiiter..

@WaelAlRussi
6h6 hours ago

Positions that got hit in both sides

#Syria

-S-200 radar
-4th Division command
-Ammo depot in Jumrayah
-The RG command on Qasyun mountain.
-Damascus international airport

#Isreal

-Iron dome radar in Safad
-3 Israeli forward position
-Helicopter pad near Um Fahem
-Position near Jerusalem

Can anyone confirm this information?  the bold part

Syria is not only hitting Golan Heights ,but actually Hit INSIDE
Israel northen territory a RADAR in SAFAD ???????? WTF

If this is confirmed ,it will be a BIG DEAL... because this is not longer hezbolah throwing
missiles ramdonly at the dust or meaningless targets.. if this is true means
Syria ? did strike on Israel bypassed their IRON DOME and Electronic warfare and scored
a Direct HIT ??? in an Israel radar ? and then Hit Jerusalem too ?  that is deep inside
at the center of Israel ?    

If this news is correct.. it should be taken with a major alarm by Israel..
because what Syria can do.. Iran will know too ,how to do it..
This means that if wael information is correct... Then.. IRAN can launch missiles lots of long range
ballistic heavy missiles from the persian gulf and they can hit with precision any Radar in Israel or military base ,if
receive help from Syria correcting the trajectory of their missiles..  

Probably was a toschka ballistic missile what Syria used.. Russia provided to Syria lots of them .
with upgraded navigation sensors but it could be a kamikazi drone that managed to sneak inside israel .
in short this information if confirmed ,will be the first time Syria in more than 40 years hit territory
of Israel ..and with alarming precision .. this should be scary for Israel. because if Syria can target
a small target like  radar.. it can more easily hit a large one ,like a military base of Israel and their
stored combat planes. It could have been done too by a mig-29SMT that Russia gave to Syria,using
a special edition from Russia with love ,air to ground accurate missile..

wtf .. look at the huge level of attack Syria was facing..  

28 Israeli jets fired about 60 rockets in overnight strikes on Syria – Russian MoD

Some 28 Israeli aircraft fired around 60 air-to-surface rockets in a massive overnight strike in Syria, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. Syrian air-defense systems managed to intercept more than half of the missiles.
READ MORE: Iran will take long time to recover after Israel hit ‘dozens’ of targets in Syria – IDF

A total of 70 projectiles, including 60 air-to-surface rockets and more than 10 surface-to-surface missiles, hit Iranian military targets and Syrian air-defense systems near Damascus and in the south of the country on Thursday morning, the Russian military said in a statement.

“28 Israeli F-15 and F-16 planes were involved in the attack,” the ministry said. “Syrian air-defense systems shot down more than half of the rockets as they repelled the Israeli attack.”

Israeli forces bombed the Syrian territory for two hours between 1:45am and 3:45am local time on Thursday. The attack was carried out under the pretext of allegations that Iranian forces had earlier hit Israeli targets in the Golan Heights.

The damage inflicted on Iranian military and Syrian civilian infrastructure by the airstrikes is being evaluated.

https://www.rt.com/news/426328-israel-28-jets-syria/

The number of victims is not a serious indicator in such cases,  especially the first hours. The impact of the raids is too early to be assessed, the terrorists put a significant effort though.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Middle East, the World's retardation champions. I can't believe we worship a God these morons invented.

That's classic KoTeMoRe right there, keeping it for future use, if I may.

PS. ME also gave us tabbouleh, hummus, baba ganouj, kibbeh makhliyeh and shawarma. Respect.

Isos wrote:Wael ????????
@WaelAlRussi
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1h
Update
#Syria/n Pantsir-S1 was destroyed in Al Mazzeh AB
The system was moving to reload while it was hit (the system launched all of its missiles and had to reload)
One of the operators unfortunately martyred
The #Israel/i missile hit the operating cabin directly.

Just like i expected... only way it could have been hit.. was a drone that sneak inside Syria..

Replying to @WaelAlRussi
I assume it was anti radar missile ?


@WaelAlRussi
3h3 hours ago

The radar was off.

@WaelAlRussi
3h3 hours ago

Drone.

You need visual contact with the pantsir in order to hit it.. and Missiles have their coordinates fixed..
So either artillery with visual contact.. or a drone that sneak inside.. The Pantsir was reloading ,
so had no way to stop the drone.. show Russia needs to double the number of Pantsirs in Syria.
and they trained to always have one pantsir as backup to protect another pantsir..
because Israel is targeting them...

Overwhelming air defenses will always be possible ,no matter which country it is.. Is simple mathematics..
You have 4 interceptor missiles and the enemy fire 5 bomb.. then the last bomb will always penetrate.
Reloading could take half an hour or 15 minutes depending how far is the base.. or up to 1 hour..
The fact that a drone could get close to a pantsirs.. clearly shows Russia is not proving proper
Electronic warfare coverage to Syrian army.. if any... because a drone are the easiest thing to jam.. they don't
have on board strong enough antenna to counter strong EW environment in ground. Those drones shouldn't be allowed
to enter.  Maybe Russia don't have enough EW units to cover every air defense ?   Electronic warfare definitively could have stopped the drone before entry in Syria..  it could interfere however with the guiding of S-200 missiles. that needs communications.. still a good coordination between air defenses and EW team could be done..

Now if this was war between US/Israel vs Russia..with missiles armed with nukes.. Anything less than 100% interception will have been unacceptable. This is the reason why Russia cannot rely in Missile defense to intercept
things.. in a future potential war.. that everyone goes nuts..NATO major powers ,could very easily launch an attack in Russia ,aimed to overwhelm Russia defenses. launching salvos of hundreds of missiles at same time ,will be a nightmare to intercept and more if they are several hundreds. major reason why Russia needs to strongly invest more
in Energy weapons..that cause physical damages to electronics ,Is the only thing that can guarantee an impenetrable shield to Russia. Israel used only 28 planes..and they have ~250 combat jets, US aircraft carriers can carry 60-90? planes.. per unit. and they have 60 destroyers that can launch cruise missiles each one.. US navy is for sure the backbone of US offensive , and massive missiles salvo attacks their tactic.. Energy weapons is the most practical way to deal with massive waves of missiles attacks..

Doesn't really matter what that Israeli shit Bibi told Putin. Russia needs to seriously show Israel who is in control there. -_-

T-47 wrote:Doesn't really matter what that Israeli shit Bibi told Putin. Russia needs to seriously show Israel who is in control there. -_-

Israel is in control of bombing Iranian assets in Syria. Why would Russia bother?
SAA has work to do, get their country back and worry less about some IRGC warehouses going up in flames.

T-47 wrote:Doesn't really matter what that Israeli shit Bibi told Putin. Russia needs to seriously show Israel who is in control there. -_-

There are new Rules of Engagement for Russia and Syria ,that if reports by wael are true..
they new RoE began the previous night of the attack. Basically instead of hitting missiles only and self defense..
and only Israeli planes who enter in Syria airspace.. Now we saw how Syrian army is now in the OFFENSE too..
bombing Israel army positions ,bases in Golan Heights and apparently in Southern Lebanon too.
and if we are to believe in the accuracy of another report of wael.. he told Syria hit israel in northern israel
and Jerusalem too.. ,their military assets ,and iron dome  defenses system there.. this is not small .but a dramatical
shift in policy.. This does not happen since decades.. So Syria/Russia new Rules of combat ,includes hitting Israel
army forward  bases.. artillery positions ,tanks ,radars and collection of intelligence and EW positions in golan heights AND Lebanon AND in northern Israel.. and engage in the shot down of planes even that fire missiles in Syria
even if it is done inside israel airspace too.. if all this information is correct by Wael twiiter...who have been a major
source of Syria war conflict.. Then this is definitively as close to a war it can be.. And only way Russia and Syria policies
can be more tough on Israel ..will Syria be to Bomb Israel military bases any place of Israel .. and after that.. the final step will be Russia declaration of war on israel..

This means that there is not much rooms left between Full declaration of war by Syria and Russia on Israel.
and what we see now Syria and Russia doing.. now we are in step 1 ..an 1)undeclared limited timed war events by Syria on Israel on closer zones to Syria territory .2) next will be and officially non stop declared war between Israel and Syria.. 3) then next dangerous step could be US ,UK and France joining Israel illegal war.. and 4) a more bigger step could only be Russia declaration of war on israel  5) the last possible step ... Russia declaration of limited war on US around the Syrian region on any military assets /military base that US have that are hostile to Syria and Russia ,using conventional weapons.. any other step beyond #5 will be the use of nuclear weapons..

all this said ..in the next days or couple of weeks... we will see a dramatic shift in Russia policies..
and i don't think Russia will abandon Syria to its luck.. Russia can't retreat from Syria .. So it can only go in one
direction the conflict.. either Israel and US stop its aggression to Syria or else Syria will continue bombing Israeli soldiers positions near Syria territory. and targeting Israel combat planes even inside israel airspace or mediterranean sea.

In other words.. Now Israel understand clearly.. that no longer will have freedom of bombing Syria, that there are real consequences. Israeli army is being bombed now ,near Syrian border ,and not so near.. in retaliation to Israel attacks.
and Israeli planes targeted inside north Israel too.. Israel forward radars bases and intelligence collection units bombed too.. So it was said ,on Hall Radio Show ,that now Israel military is evaluating a full declaration of war in syria
after their forces are not being hit.. the question will be what kind of objectives they expect to achieve in Syria, if Russia continue helping Syria...with everything.. This is what is probably their major concern.. they know Russia can hit Israel hard..and make their adventure in Syria incredibly expensive.. a war with Russia ,when israel can't fight Russia main land.. but Russia can bomb israel.. is not very even war. Russia will not retreat from Syria even if Israel targets Russia military base . it will only mean gloves off.. for Russia. and that Israel will get destroyed all its golan heights and souther lebanon positions..and any of their planes a fair target ..when moving in Syria direction..

"IRAN CLAIMS ISRAEL ATTACK WAS A FALSE FLAG."

"In the aftermath of one of the most severe Israeli attacks on Syria “in decades,” Iranian lawmakers said Thursday that Iran had no role in the attack, and that Shia nation doesn’t operate any bases in Syria.

Mohammad Javad Jamali Nobandegani, a member of the Iranian Parliament’s national security and foreign policy committee, said Israel’s claim that Iran had provoked Israel by firing first was “a lie,” adding that “Israel’s history of carrying out unprovoked attacks in Syria has been well-documented.”

“Iran does not have military base in Syria,” Nobandegani added.

And while Iran maintains that last night’s skirmish between the Israeli Defense Force and Syrian Army forces was a false flag, and that the IDF struck first (continuing its pattern of airstrikes and other military assaults in Syria), the IDF boasted Thursday morning that Tehran “will need a lot of time to recover” from the most extensive Israeli attack in Syria since 1974.

Meanwhile, Israel said Iran paid a “heavy price” for its (nonexistent) aggression following multiple Israeli airstrikes against what Tel Aviv said were targets belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp’s Quds Force.



Unsurprisingly, the alleged Iranian attack resulted in no casualties or damage to Israeli infrastructure, with no rockets hitting Israeli-held territory (the Golan Heights border region is considered Syrian territory occupied by Israel).

“Iran will need a lot of time and resources to rehabilitate its operational, military and intelligence infrastructures we hit tonight,” an IDF spokesman said. The spokesman warned that “any other attempt” to hurt Israel will “pay even more.”

A map of the military targets published by the IDF shows multiple sites near Damascus and also near the Syria-Israel border.

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman claims “all the Iranian infrastructure” in the Arab republic was hit.

During the attack, Israeli jets and mortars struck intelligence sites and arms depots, among other military targets allegedly operated by the Iranian forces. Syria’s SANA state news channel said earlier that a Syrian radar installation was hit in the attack while “tens” of missiles were intercepted.

Though the IDF says it’s not seeking “further escalation,” the IDF says that “the Syrian regime will be held accountable for everything happening in its territory,” and has warned against any retaliatory attack.

“They must understand that if it rains here, it will pour there,” said Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who spoke at the Herzliya security conference near Tel Aviv several hours after the skirmish began.

Lieberman added that Israeli forces remain on high alert, but said he hopes this “chapter” is finished.

Naturally, most Western media like the New York Times – which has repeatedly demonstrated a fervent pro-Israeli bias – opted to take the IDF at its word, a move that drew consternation from independent Syrian journalists.

Of course, in the aftermath of recent attacks on Syria over “chemical attacks” which were alleged but never actually provne, why even bother to verify Iran’s claims when it’s easier to just quote Israel."

https://southfront.org/iran-claims-israel-attack-was-a-false-flag/


If I had to guess, this was likely done by Israel to provoke Iran, we still need more information. Israel should have not have supported terrorism in Syria in the first place, if they were worried about Iranian bases in Syria. Iran does really not need bases in Syria, they already have lot's of influence. The best thing for Syria and Iran is to rebuild Syria, they can deal with Israel later, when they are ready.

New Interesting information reported ..

Wael  ????????
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1h1 hour ago

18- to summarize all mentioned above, adapting a modern long-range anti-air system (S-300/400) must be the final stage of rebuilding re-enhancing the entire air defense EW capabilities in #Syria.

11- the Soviet made S-200 scored many hits at the Israeli jets including the F-35 and between 2016 and 2018 ,
Five Israeli jets were reported shot down by the Syrian AD systems, but #Israel only admitted losing an F-16

He is mentioning to people asking where are the S-300s ???
That for Syria to effectively deploy them without too much risk.. it needs first to deploy other
things ,like the ones Russia have in Latakkia base.. that it needs a ring of smaller modern air defenses
around the S-300s.. but also strong electronic warfare ,like the one Russia have in Latakia.. and layers of
defenses as close as possible to Syrian borders.. They told that one major step ,they are working to get there..
is to Re-deploy an Air defense system in eastern ghouta.. that was lost ,when the terrorist captured the place..
that is east of damascus.. and that once that AD base is rebuild.. it will enhance the protection of damascus..
to a new level... and thats what needs to be done before Syria install S-300s.. Their Radar signal is strong and can be seen easily by NATO or ISrael..and just like any Air defense in the world can be overwhelmed.. for being a static target with strong signal and not unlimited missiles. Once syria deploy AD pantsirs and Tors system in Eastern Ghouta..
and then another combo in Southern Damascus , where ISIS is being cleared now. and then strong electronic
warfare and jammers in place.. then Damascus could deploy S-300s in a more safe way.. Eventually the goal should be that in Syria ,all major cities on Syria develops. Ring of short range anti missile modern defenses around the cities protecting long range defenses like S-300 and S-400s that when active are visible by enemy its radars at far ranges.

archangelski wrote:

No electronic warfare.. this is consequence of that..
Those cheap kamikazi drones are used by special forces.. and will be unable to fly ,and the camera signal easily jammed.. ie.. Blinding the operator from the drone of any signal from TV.. if just there was electronic warfare around.. Hopefully Russia will learn from this unacceptable mistakes that should not be happening. For sure the drone came from a very close place.. since their range is very small.. Will not be surprised it came from eastern Syria from the base Americans control..and they waited to the pantsir to release all its missiles and stopped firing to do this attack..
This is why i was saying the major challenge Syria and also Russia will face will come from the fact.. that enemy positions are very near their air defenses.. more reasons for Syria to liberate all its territory.. the more territory
they get ,the better. Russia base is also in danger of regular cheap artillery attacks. from terrorist positions.
as already they lost 2 soldiers.