Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

Hole wrote:Just an idea I had. What do you think about an Bal system for the EW units, firing Kh-31P anti-radar missiles? It would give them a hard kill capability. No need to call in the air force.

Against what ? Ships ? It would need the ship to turn its radars on. If it came to just launch cruise missiles, you won't see it.

Hole wrote:Anti radar missiles against radars. Recon by ELINT systems.

Pretty useless. It will never be in range to hit any radar.

Hole wrote:The new version of the Kh-31P has a range of 270km. A grund based version should reach a range of 100 - 150km. So every air defence or artillery radar of the enemy close to the front line would be in range.

A normal EW unit has one company of ELINT/SIGINT and two to three copmpanies with jammers (different models). Now add a company with 4 to 8 vehicles fitted with 6 to 8 ARM´s. If the enemy switches on his counter-battery radar to find your artillery systems it will be found by the SIGINT unit and can be instantly engaged by missiles. As I said, no need to call in the air force.

Anti radar is the role of the air force. The best tool would be mi-28 or a group of ansat-2RC with atgm. Kh-31 are pretty expensive and the artillery radars are very mobile so once they detect the kh-31 they can turn off radar and go away. You can found some numbers of how many kh-31 different countries bought, they are not huge. Russia included.

North vietnamies and soviet advisers found tactics to counter US ARMs pretty quickly.

Moreover ELINT on the ground will have hard time finding a radar 150km away since radar horizon applies for them too.

They need small ELINT aircraft or choppers with attack helicopters and more su-25 type jets.

What they could do is use future hermes missile instead. They have rumors of a ground launched version with 100km so a bigger version could reach 150km. With a small passive radar in the nose it could work.

Hole wrote:Just an idea I had. What do you think about an Bal system for the EW units, firing Kh-31P anti-radar missiles? It would give them a hard kill capability. No need to call in the air force.

Kh-31PD has range 250km but only airborne. No instances of Kh-31 are ground based. IMHO no need to build yet another expensive modification if you can use drone as platform AA missiles to do same job..

Hole wrote:The new version of the Kh-31P has a range of 270km. A grund based version should reach a range of 100 - 150km. So every air defence or artillery radar of the enemy close to the front line would be in range.

A normal EW unit has one company of ELINT/SIGINT and two to three copmpanies with jammers (different models). Now add a company with 4 to 8 vehicles fitted with 6 to 8 ARM´s. If the enemy switches on his counter-battery radar to find your artillery systems it will be found by the SIGINT unit and can be instantly engaged by missiles. As I said, no need to call in the air force.

If 100 km range is the max range than a Koalitsya emp shell (which is coming in to service) will get you 70% there (70 km max range), equip the shell with a glide kit and you could probably stretch the range to 100km, and should be cheaper than a ground launched Kh-31P and harder to hit. Better yet, you can get the compact EMP generators (the size of dept. store microwave appliances) that they developed more than a decade ago, and stick quite a few of them (in a cluster, or one large EMP generator) in a 300 mm Smerch/Tornado-S rocket. With the Smerch rocket you can get a 90 km max range, while the Tornado-S rocket will have 120, 150, and eventually 200 km max range rockets, all of which should be cheaper solutions with very little development cycles.

Krasyuka-4 is effectively a MASER (turn on the english captions):

Russia’s Western Military District gets first radio-electronic warfare system Palantin

The system is capable of upsetting the potential enemy’s mobile and trunk communication lines and integrate different radio-electronic warfare systems into a single network

VORONEZH, April 10. /TASS/. The combined forces army of the Western Military District has adopted for service the first radio-electronic warfare system Palantin, provided for the Russian military, the district’s press-service said.

"The Russian Armed Forces’ newest highly mobile radio-electronic warfare system Palantin of the tactical level has been provided for the combined forces army of the Western Military District. It is meant for jamming the enemy’s radio communication means and for conducting radio-electronic surveillance," the news release runs.

The system is capable of upsetting the potential enemy’s mobile and trunk communication lines and integrate different radio-electronic warfare systems into one network.

"The system has been through field tests at one of the radio-electronic warfare units of the Western Military District and entered duty in one of the regions of the Central Black Earth (Chernozemie) Region… The personnel of radio-electronic warfare units has completed a course of retraining at a center in the Tambov Region and begun to use the system," the district’ press-service said.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/1053089

Amazing! So apparently Murmansk-BM which is capable of being effective out to 5000-5500km, is also under the right circumstances capable of being effective out to 8000km!

Murmansk-BN is an automated radio interference complex for communication lines on the shortwave (HF) range, capable of suppressing radio communication at a distance of 3 to 5 thousand kilometers, and with good signal transmission - up to 8 thousand km.

Triad-2C communication suppression complex (update)

Reached hands to update information on the complex "Triad-2C", which in the media is called the complex of destruction of communications satellites. In fact, the complex is (I think) rather a satellite communication suppression system in some local region with a radius of up to 100 km. This is purely my assumptions made on the basis of poking a finger into the sky. It’s just that photos of radio engineering systems that, in terms of foreign media (Ukrainian), are issued as systems of the Triad-2C complex, it seems to me that they cannot disable communication equipment of a communication satellite. Well, it does not fit in my head with such opportunities.

Analysis of the topic with the electronic warfare complex "Triad-2C" received a new impetus after the publication of images from the OSCE drone on March 16, 2019, which were made over the territory of the Lugansk People's Republic. Further, it is better to see the photos and the scheme.








From all this you can make several assumptions:

1. The Triad-2C complex is probably undergoing military trials or has already entered the Russian Armed Forces;
2. It is likely that the complex is intended, among other things, to expose the work of satellite transmission channels — the only thing that somehow turns out compactly — I expected to see a separate reconnaissance vehicle and a separate suppression machine, but then these machines were either combined in one external systems can be used.

The intended principle of operation is that interference to the radio satellite channels is hampered by the reception and transmission of information. I think that strategic reconnaissance drones will not frighten them - most likely they keep all the information taken on board or at least buffer information in case of communication failure and interference. But in some situations, the formulation of such interference will be fully justified.

The complex is terribly secret and there is no other information on it so that I may well be mistaken.

https://militaryrussia.livejournal.com/444119.html

magnumcromagnon wrote:Krasyuka-4 is effectively a MASER (turn on the english captions):

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500 megawatts? Not bloody likely. A large power plant puts out 1000 megawatts. He probably meant 500 kilowatts.

But this video raises an interesting question: is it possible to use a MASER complex as an ABM system. Water attenuates
microwave radiation very efficiently since it is an efficient absorber. So a beam aimed at 20 km will be very
ineffective at 20 km and even at 10 km. I think MASERs are not viable for ABM functions. Closer range engagements
are totally different story.

BTW, EMP blasts are something else.

So the obvious solution would be to put the microwave weapon in an Il-476 and take it 12km above most of the moisture in the atmosphere and use the microwave weapon from there...

It also opens up other options... like a gamma wave ray that destroys all living organisms... you wont be able to shoot down the B-2 but there will be no one to push the release button when the time comes and it will just fly past...

500 megawatts? Not bloody likely. A large power plant puts out 1000 megawatts. He probably meant 500 kilowatts.

The nuclear power generation system for the new laser is 1,000 megawatts isn't it?

Using half for the beam and the other half to power the electronics for target detection and other things would make sense...

GarryB wrote:So the obvious solution would be to put the microwave weapon in an Il-476 and take it 12km above most of the moisture in the atmosphere and use the microwave weapon from there...

It also opens up other options... like a gamma wave ray that destroys all living organisms... you wont be able to shoot down the B-2 but there will be no one to push the release button when the time comes and it will just fly past...

500 megawatts? Not bloody likely. A large power plant puts out 1000 megawatts. He probably meant 500 kilowatts.

The nuclear power generation system for the new laser is 1,000 megawatts isn't it?

Using half for the beam and the other half to power the electronics for target detection and other things would make sense...

Since we have cirrus clouds in the upper troposphere and even above the tropopause, water is ubiquitous in vapour form in the
troposphere. It is in the sratosphere that it is under 6 ppmv. Since we have a huge number density of air, even
a tiny amount of a trace gas or vapour results in trillions of its molecules per cubic centimeter. The number density of air
at the surface is about 2.5e18 and the fraction of water vapour molecules is 1e15. Even if air density is reduced by a factor of
10, we still have 1e14 water molecules if they are well mixed. In reality the H2O concentration does fall off faster with increasing
altitude. But at the tropopause the number density of water is still over 1e13.

I can safely conclude that even airborne MASER systems have a very limited range.

Shield and path: the Russian Arctic will cover the electronic dome

Complexes "Murmansk-BN" will become a non-lethal weapon for violators of the state border

Aleksey Ramm
Bogdan Stepovoy
Roman Kretzul

https://iz.ru/875561/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi-roman-kretcul/shchit-i-put-russkuiu-arktiku-prikroet-radioelektronnyi-kupol

Didn't knew it would be helpful against submarines!

dino00 wrote:Shield and path: the Russian Arctic will cover the electronic dome

Complexes "Murmansk-BN" will become a non-lethal weapon for violators of the state border

Aleksey Ramm
Bogdan Stepovoy
Roman Kretzul

https://iz.ru/875561/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi-roman-kretcul/shchit-i-put-russkuiu-arktiku-prikroet-radioelektronnyi-kupol

Didn't knew it would be helpful against submarines!

Well submarine comms are in the Extremely low frequency wavelengths.

They must periodically raise an antenna to get GPS signals to fix their position. Can't do it by stars & the Sun in an overcast sky or if they absolutely want to avoid detection.

http://tass.com/defense/942027

Enjoy.

Its seems the KRETs website is finally back up https://www.kret.com/media/press/kret-predstavit-na-maks-2019-noveyshee-radioelektronnoe-oborudovanie/

"KRET JSC (as part of the Rostec State Corporation) will present for the first time more than 15 advanced developments at the MAKS-2019 International Aviation and Space Salon. Among the key innovations of the concern are the control system for general helicopter equipment, which will be presented as part of the Ka-62 helicopter, the sanitary version of the ANSAT-RT helicopter, the upgraded transport and combat helicopter Mi-24P-1M with new airborne equipment and the latest air purification system for aircraft and spaceships."

Russia testing fundamentally new electronic warfare system

TheRadio-Electronic Technologies Group produces several electronic warfare systems

ZHUKOVSLY /Moscow Region/, August 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group (KRET) is holding state trials of a next-generation electronic warfare system, Adviser to the KRET First Deputy CEO Vladimir Mikheyev said at the MAKS-2019 international aerospace show on Thursday.

"Based on the experience of operating existing systems, we are now developing a principally new electronic warfare system. It is at the stage of state trials. As soon as they are over, the system will go into production," he said.

KRET produces several electronic warfare (EW) systems.

The Krasukha mobile EW system is designated to protect command posts, groupings of forces, air defense capabilities and vital industrial and administrative facilities. The system analyzes the signal type and impairs enemy radar stations by powerful jamming emissions. As a result, enemy aircraft lose their capability to detect targets and aim their precision weapons against them.

The Rtut-BM tracked EW system is designated to protect manpower and military hardware, as well as the areas of troop’s amassment, mobile and stationary command centers against missiles, shells, mortar projectiles and guided high-explosive munitions equipped with radio fuses on an area of 50 hectares.

https://tass.com/defense/1075613

"Based on the experience of operating existing systems, we are now developing a principally new electronic warfare system. It is at the stage of state trials. As soon as they are over, the system will go into production," he said."

Ehhh I hate teasing like that. In their 2018 pdf book they have talked a lot about photonic EW systems than at the end of their book hinted the maks 2019 airshow. I guess I will be on the lookout for their 2019 book.