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Mindless_drone wrote:
1a) US/NATO cabal isn’t being outplayed and Russia is just weak. NATO doesn’t want to put boots on the ground.
1b) Russia is hopelessly outgunned and outnumbered in Syria.
2) A 500 cruise missiles strike can wipe out both of Russia’s major bases in Syria.
3) Do people on this forum seriously think that a 20-30 aircraft deployment with some SAMS can challenge American supremacy in the area?
S400 isn’t even a completed system. The 400km missile isn’t ready.
Flankers in Syria have no BVR weapons.
4) Russia knows its weak and playing its hand accordingly by focusing on winning the civil war.
5) That’s why Russia hasn’t tried to close of Syrian airspace or let Syria strike any NATO positions.
Lets see.. lets pick one by one some of your wrong arguments..
1a) Russia military is not weak dude.. Russia have the capabilities to wipe American military easily , in all middle east and europe.. If Russia was Ruled by a Crazy leader that had no patience.. he can order a preventive strike that will defeat Americans ,blow the hell of all their military bases in Middle east and Europe ,Russia can do it.. But Russia is not interested yet to start a world war 3 , at least not for Syria.. so will prefer to avoid it.
If for Russia Syria territorial integrity was extremely important for Russia existence, Russia government could have sent in 2011 a full scale army invasion in Syria and conquer 100% of Syria territory in just a few months. before NATO backed terrorist take control of too much territory.. But Russia did not wanted it.. for ECONOMICAL REASONS..and hoped for Syrian army to counter it alone.. So don't confuse strategy with weakness.. Russia saw that the war could cost a A lot of Money and simply tried to minimize the damages by a limited help.
1b) quote " Russia is hopelessly outgunned and outnumbered in Syria "
and thats the way Russia wanted it... it was a choice... Russia understand well ,the US war on Syria ,
was designed to bleed Russia economy.. not to over run or defeat the Russian army. So is not a limitation of
Russia military capabilities.. but a Policy decision to send a small military force , to minimize the damages
on Russia economy ,while at same time a force strong enough to help Syria reverse terrorist gains.. and this is
exactly what Russia achieved.. it worked quite well.
2) Russia military defense capabilities in Syria are limited.. Is not the same force capabilities they have in Crimea or in Kalingrad or even less Moscow.. So you don't see the difference between Russia policy in Syria vs Russia nation defense capabilities. Russia have on its main land the capability to defeat easily a 500 cruise missile attack from NATO
specially when those missiles are very slow and linear trajectory. But all this air defense system cost a lot of money..
understand? is not Russia goals to seal completely Syrian airspace.. who is going to pay for that? You ?
because that will be EXPENSIVE $$$. understand? not mentioning revealing to NATO everything about Russia
air defenses capabilities.. Russia simply have chosen a Policy that can help Russia defeat ISIS in Syria without
spending a fortune ,which is what NATO really wants.. to bankrupt Russia economy.
3)--quote--
Do people on this forum seriously think that a 20-30 aircraft deployment with some SAMS can challenge American supremacy in the area? .. ans.. Again this was a Choice of Russia.. deploying a hundred of COmbat planes in
Syria will be very expensive!!! wars are not only about military power.. a nation can be defeated ,even if you win
all the battles.. ask Americans in the vietnam war.. Wars also need to take into account the economics parts of it.
If your nation economy collapse.. then who is going to pay the soldiers? If Russia economy collapse then all the gains of Russia will be reversed by Americans if Russia military is forced to retreat for not having more money to fight.
4)Russia is not weak.. Actually Russia military is way stronger than the Americans one... and can even push NATO away from Ukraine.. the combinations of Russia missile forces ,artillery with tanks can overwhelm NATO positions in Ukraine in no time. but Syria is in the middle east.. not near Russia.. and Americans picked the syrian battlefield
to fight by proxy Russia ,precisely because Syria is surrounded by powerful enemies there.. But if things were Reversed.??? What if americans had to defend Georgia ,the country in the southern border of Russia ? and All Nations in Black Sea were Pro Russia? then US military will have no way to properly defend Georgia.. because will be encircled
completely from All sides.. If Turkey was allied with Russia.. then Turkey can shoot from behind at Americans and Russia from the front.. and lock Americans navy in the black sea.. it will be a massacre of American warships there.
Or another more real life example.. Why You think Americans did not send ,2000 soldiers ,just like they did in Syria..
to help Kiev recapture Donetsk and Lugansk ? Because they will have no way to fight Russia ,near its own territory.
when endless unlimited resources for them..
The whole Point of the Syrian War ,that Began in 2011.. was a war ,that americans ,British and israel designed
this conflict to exploit Russia lack of allies in the zone.. If Americans had to defend for example MOngolia
a land locked nation by China and Russia.. then how Weak Americans are going to defend them? they can't...
Is landlocked and the will have to invade Russia or China to enter there.. This means that Geography IS SUPER IMPORTANT... in wars.. The size of Russia territory helped Russia win wars.. even when their army was weaker ,than Napoleon Army..or Hitler army.. So Russia is a very strong nation , Americans can't defeat Russia near its borders.. in a conventional force today. so this is why they provoke conflicts far from Russia.. It will be similar ,to a Shark picking a fight with a lion , in the water..who will win in the water? A shark ? or a lion ? you need to know your zone ,where you are stronger.. American military weakness is their Land COmbat forces..having issues in taking territory away from Talibans in afganistan ,imagine that.. their strategy depends on the Navy .. and Airforce exclusively..
Russia knows it is in an alliance major disadvantage in Syria , and is virtually alone fighting there.. and US have a major alliance of many dozens of nations..and so Russia designed a policy to help Syria fight ISIS in the cheapest way possible.. but what will have happen if things were reversed.. that US allies were Russian allies.. Turkey ,Israel ,Jordan and IRAQ,lebanon.. were all allied with Russia ? and none of them allowed Americans bases there ? Can Americans capture any territory in Syria without neighbors support? NO.. For deploying military bases.. all by air.. is a doomed policy.. they will have no way to maintain any position in Syria ,if they had no allies at all.. and instead all Syrian neighbors were hostile to americans.. Moral of the story is Geography and Politics matters in war.. is not only about
the side of your army.. alliances ,free movement through territory and geography matter .IF americans had no support from Turkey ,ISRAEL and Jordan.. the Syrian war will have not even started at all.. the sectarian muslim will had no guns.. at all.. and Russia is called weak.. for not creating a no fly zone for NATO in Syria.. but To enforce a no fly zone..in all Syria airspace , when Syria only controlled 30% of its territory ,and was too busy for saving Syria existence.. will have been very expensive.. and will have put at risk the entire Syria operation. which is what
Americans wanted.. to distract Syria and Russia from the fights against terrorist.. But Russia did not fall ,in that..
and instead focused in fighting ISIS first.. and it worked..
So the only weak ones are Americans and NOT RUssia..
Russia sent its military to a very dangerous zone ,that NATO had ALL the advantages in the world..
a regional support ,almost all Syria neighbor were safe zones for ISIS and Alqaeda.. sending jihadist across border to fight Russia and Syria. and still Russia managed to kick in the ass American backed terrorist in Aleppo ,And Damascus and Homs.. and do i need to continue? In the other hand.. Russia imposed its will in Georgia and in Ukraine..
and what Americans did? NOTHING.. sanctions..
So who is the weak one? Americans will never send its military to a zone ,until all conditions are close to perfect for them.. and they have a place to retreat in case thingsgoes bad.. Russia in the other hand , had no place to retreat in Syria..other that their military swim ,if their base is Over Run by Turkey.Isreal or the entire middle east. or ISIS.. Russia shows far more courage than Americans
in Battlefields.. Just look how even in Serbia , Russia military sent a hundred of special forces ,to help Serbia counter US and UK bombings.
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