Btw if you know about T-72, T-80U, abrams, leo 2 and Leclerc it would be nice.
Refueling will be a big issue during war. Refuel trucks can't be protected by air defence systems 24/7 or against enemy spetanaz attacks. Drones will be a threat to them.
Refueling will be a big issue during war.
Refuel trucks can't be protected by air defence systems 24/7 or against enemy spetanaz attacks.
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Western tanks also have better Fire Control System (FCS) than Russian tanks.Isos wrote:Range is almost the same for all tanks but western tanks have more fuel but also burn more. I saw around 160 liters per 10km for Abrams and Leclerc.
RTN wrote:Western tanks also have better Fire Control System (FCS) than Russian tanks.Isos wrote:Range is almost the same for all tanks but western tanks have more fuel but also burn more. I saw around 160 liters per 10km for Abrams and Leclerc.
The reason the Russians followed ATGM from longer range is their FCS are not as advanced as western ones and so their accuracy is also not as high as western MBTs.
U.S APFSDS have similar velocities. M1A2 firing 120mm fin-stab with tungsten carbide is ~ 1770 m/s.Isos wrote: Russian apfsds have almost 2000m/s speed. They don't need FCS. The round will go straight anyway.
RTN wrote:Ballistic computer, electronic sights and the array of sensors on Western MBTs are far more superior than Russian ones.
There is something off about those numbers. They cannot possibly apply to any diesel at idle.
Trucking would go bankrupt if
diesel engines sucked over 100 liters per hour. Large truck engines are not that far removed from the ones in the tanks.
Western tanks also have better Fire Control System (FCS) than Russian tanks.
The reason the Russians followed ATGM from longer range is their FCS are not as advanced as western ones and so their accuracy is also not as high as western MBTs.
U.S APFSDS have similar velocities. M1A2 firing 120mm fin-stab with tungsten carbide is ~ 1770 m/s.
FCS determines tank accuracies and firing rates and extend tank capabilities by enabling effective firing at night.
A shell fired from a tank’s gun will not travel in a straight line but will lose altitude due to gravity as it travels. So a gunner must know the distance of the target, and accordingly shoot higher to compensate for the fall. Also, crosswinds blow the shells away from the target.
Ballistic computer, electronic sights and the array of sensors on Western MBTs are far more superior than Russian ones.
Even INDRA upgraded the FCS of T 72s
M1A2 is compatable to t-90 which has a very good fcs. T-72 is to be compared with older US tanks.
Most of the time engagement will benless than 2km away and then you don't really need it. It's really easy to aim with a gun that launches the round at 2000m/s. Just aim the top of the tank and it will hit.
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AFAIK the main area the Russian systems lack is magnification, but they are sorting that out too.
They are working on colour digital night vision devices that seem rather impressive, and they have some mind blowing digital video cameras with magnification capacities that are amazing...
India?? I said INDRA, the Spanish defense company. They upgrade FCS for MBTs. Did that for T-72s.GarryB wrote:Yeah, India also created a replacement rifle for the AK-47... they called it the INSAS, but it had a lot of problems and now they are replacing the AKs they still use with AK-203s and their INSAS rifles with American made ARs...
Images of the T-90 tank after being hit by ATGM at the exercises near Astrakhan appeared on the network
Images from one of the training grounds in the Astrakhan region, where maneuvers involving tanks took place, appeared on the network... In particular, we are talking about the use of t-90A tanks.
According to some sources, anti - tank missile systems were used during the military exercises, including the Konkurs ATGM with 9M113M ATGM.
In social networks, it is reported that during the exercise, the ATGM "Konkurs" missile hit a tank involved in the exercise. The photo shows that the combat vehicle was seriously damaged, while there is no penetration of the armor, but there is clear damage to the hinged elements of the tank's protection.
Some photos are published on the War News Today page in the social network Vkontakte.
In such a situation, when the ATGM "found" a tank as a target, the COEP could work (the complex opto-electronic warfare) "Blind".
The network notes that the side projection of the tank "could have been saved by a ZIP box". This statement is actively discussed in the network-as to whether this element is really capable of saving the tank's armor.
At the moment, there are no details of the incident at the military training ground near Astrakhan, as there is no data on when exactly this happened.
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M1A2 already has that. The thermal imaging system (TIS) has a magnification of ×10 narrow field of view and ×3 wide field of view. The thermal image is displayed in the eyepiece of the gunner’s sight together with the range measurement from a laser range finder.
The Northrop designed Laser Systems eyesafe laser range finder (ELRF) has a range accuracy to within 10m and target discrimination of 20m. Far better accuracy than T-90.
India?? I said INDRA, the Spanish defense company. They upgrade FCS for MBTs. Did that for T-72s.
It bounced and didn't hit correctly. There is no way for a tank to survive a direct and correct hit from the side by such missile.
Isos wrote:It bounced and didn't hit correctly. There is no way for a tank to survive a direct and correct hit from the side by such missile.
Isos wrote:Not necesserly bounce away but just change the direction (rotation) in which the stream of the hollow warhead went away but exploded on the tank.
Isos wrote:ERA is of no use against a konkurs that has 800mm of penetration AFTER the ERA. The first chare is made to set off the ERA and is more powerfull than a 30mm round. It is also not the same effect. The 30mm rounds is a kinetic projectile while the first charge of the missiles is a hollow charge that burns metal and will of course burn the explosive in the ERA and make it explode.
OR it could be that those ERA work against tandem warheads. The t-90 in Syria that was hit by a TOW that didn't penetrate. Not sure but some TOW have a tabdem warhead.
Russian have also a 125mm HEAT round that has three warheads to deal with two ERA and then penetrate the tank. That may suggest they have ERA that deals with tandem warheads.
Isos wrote:It bounced and didn't hit correctly. There is no way for a tank to survive a direct and correct hit from the side by such missile.
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Isos wrote:Shtora didn't work this time too ?
Well it seems kontact 5 is beter than expected.
ERA is of no use against a konkurs that has 800mm of penetration AFTER the ERA. The first chare is made to set off the ERA and is more powerfull than a 30mm round. It is also not the same effect. The 30mm rounds is a kinetic projectile while the first charge of the missiles is a hollow charge that burns metal and will of course burn the explosive in the ERA and make it explode.
OR it could be that those ERA work against tandem warheads.
The t-90 in Syria that was hit by a TOW that didn't penetrate. Not sure but some TOW have a tabdem warhead.
Russian have also a 125mm HEAT round that has three warheads to deal with two ERA and then penetrate the tank. That may suggest they have ERA that deals with tandem warheads.
Nonsensical, the plasma jet from a HEAT warhead detonating is hypersonic. Konkurs missiles do not fly fast enough to rotate away (if bounced off angled armor) to have made a difference. The speed differential between the plasma jet detonation and the ATGM would mean if it did bounce off, it would only (at best) make a few millimetres difference....not in any way, shape or form capable of saving a tank!
Shtora didn't work this time too ?
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