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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:54 am

    par far wrote:Looks like the SAA and Allies are going for Al-Raqqa.

    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-11-2016/




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    Post  DerWolf Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:01 am

    par far wrote:Looks like the SAA and Allies are going for Al-Raqqa.

    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-11-2016/


    US has said they want to capture Raqqa, hence the rush of Russia and SAA to capture it before US. Anyway Russia oficially has proposed ceasesfire, now its time of US to make a decision.
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    Post  par far Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:05 am

    DerWolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Looks like the SAA and Allies are going for Al-Raqqa.

    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-11-2016/


    US has said they want to capture Raqqa, hence the rush of Russia and SAA to capture it before US. Anyway Russia oficially has proposed ceasesfire, now its time of US to make a decision.


    I think this "proposed ceasefire is just politics, when you are winning, you don't make ceasefires.

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    Post  DerWolf Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:10 am

    par far wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Looks like the SAA and Allies are going for Al-Raqqa.

    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-11-2016/


    US has said they want to capture Raqqa, hence the rush of Russia and SAA to capture it before US. Anyway Russia oficially has proposed ceasesfire, now its time of US to make a decision.


    I think this "proposed ceasefire is just politics, when you are winning, you don't make ceasefires.

    I hope it is just politic, Russia and SAA are now in full offencive and making progress, ceasefire has no point.
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    Post  ultron Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:16 pm

    Putin may genuinely want a ceasefire. He's a soft guy. He did that in Donbas. This time it won't work in Syria because Qaeda are die hard lunatics. They are no Ukrainian army. They'll never agree to ceasefire.
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    Post  short_fuze Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:45 pm

    ultron wrote:Putin may genuinely want a ceasefire. He's a soft guy. He did that in Donbas. This time it won't work in Syria because Qaeda are die hard lunatics. They are no Ukrainian army. They'll never agree to ceasefire.

    Pure speculation on my part. Maybe Putin put Donbass on hold because he knew or planned that the Syrian operation was going to go ahead. The targetting information collection and arrangement of solid political contacts would take time. It is better to deal with one thing at a time when possible.

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    Post  ultron Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:53 pm

    short_fuze wrote:Pure speculation on my part. Maybe Putin put Donbass on hold because he knew or planned that the Syrian operation was going to go ahead.  The targetting information collection and arrangement of solid political contacts would take time. It is better to deal with one thing at a time when possible.


    You cannot compare the Georgian and Ukrainian armies to Qaeda. Georgian and Ukrainian soldiers are afraid to die like any sane human being. Qaeda are die hard religious folks who are not afraid to die. They are the only ones who run towards a firing machine gun. They are already crazy. In fact, they are the most crazy folks on the planet.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:58 pm

    Russia scores yet another victory in Syria...one of the most influential pro-Jihadi Western bureaucratic warmongers, the Foreign Minister of France, Laurent Fabius, has just resigned! Razz cheers
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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:10 pm

    Sth that might have relation with the war in syria. NATO fleet with the approval of EE and Greek government is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey. (bullshits, all this i think happen to support Turkey in a possible invasion in Syria)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-orders-fleet-to-deploy-in-aegean-sea-to-help-end-europes-refugee-crisis-a6867076.html
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    Post  zg18 Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:20 pm

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:31 pm

    George1 wrote:Sth that might have relation with the war in syria. NATO fleet with the approval of EE and Greek government is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey. (bullshits, all this i think happen to support Turkey in a possible invasion in Syria)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-orders-fleet-to-deploy-in-aegean-sea-to-help-end-europes-refugee-crisis-a6867076.html

    If they were serious they would put pressure on Turdkey and the GCC vermin.
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    Post  par far Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:39 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sth that might have relation with the war in syria. NATO fleet with the approval of EE and Greek government is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey. (bullshits, all this i think happen to support Turkey in a possible invasion in Syria)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-orders-fleet-to-deploy-in-aegean-sea-to-help-end-europes-refugee-crisis-a6867076.html

    If they were serious they would put pressure on Turdkey and the GCC vermin.


    They will get into the EU, it does not matter what NATO does, where there's the will, there's a way.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:47 pm

    ultron wrote:Putin may genuinely want a ceasefire. He's a soft guy. He did that in Donbas. This time it won't work in Syria because Qaeda are die hard lunatics. They are no Ukrainian army. They'll never agree to ceasefire.

    Wow, so you are kinda badass, huh? so what is biggest organization you´ve ever managed in terms budget/manpower?

    as for ceasefire? so what would you do then in his shoes? go for war (what was expected by US) ?
    conquest U-crying in 5 days and then what? face

    a) western trained and sponsored saboteurs and bandits (nazi UPA)
    b) 40mlns hungry and pissed people convinced they are poor and hungry because of Russia?
    c) U-404 economy is shatters and crumbling Russian due to complete closure of trade (Russia aggressor)
    ?
    d) propaganda war 10x harder? and unrest in Russia?

    Tell me your story what would you do tough guy?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:58 pm

    par far wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sth that might have relation with the war in syria. NATO fleet with the approval of EE and Greek government is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey. (bullshits, all this i think happen to support Turkey in a possible invasion in Syria)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-orders-fleet-to-deploy-in-aegean-sea-to-help-end-europes-refugee-crisis-a6867076.html

    If they were serious they would put pressure on Turdkey and the GCC vermin.


    They will get into the EU, it does not matter what NATO does, where there's the will, there's a way.

    This is precisely why nobody here in Serbia is too bothered with migrants. We know they want to leave and that no fence, guards, minefields, etc... will stop them. You just wait it out and enjoy the show.

    Funs fact: remember that big bad fence on Hungarian border? Well as of recently migrants have been cutting their way trough with "generous" help from local guides who get them over the border for standard fee. And sell them pair of wire cutters for cool 100 euros a pop. Cool

    I would call them coyotes but we have no coyotes here outside the zoos so we should find some other animal name to call them by. Any suggestions?

    Viva Mexic.... sorry, I meant to say: Viva Serbia!!! lol1




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    Post  max steel Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:14 pm

    par far wrote:


    I think this "proposed ceasefire is just politics, when you are winning, you don't make ceasefires.


    Kremlin demanded not to speculate on rumors of a ceasefire in Syria
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:35 pm


    There will be ''cessation of hostilities'' but VKS will continue to hit all the top shelf ''moderates'' and ISIS as usual.

    Lavrov be da boss... thumbsup russia
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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7 - Page 32 Ca8rSBPW4AQEI90
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:39 pm

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    Post  par far Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:19 am

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7 - Page 32 Ca8rSBPW4AQEI90


    Hey Militarov, is this the Russian Army or Private Military?
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    Post  Guest Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:26 am

    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7 - Page 32 Ca8rSBPW4AQEI90


    Hey Militarov, is this the Russian Army or Private Military?

    This photo is taken somewhere in Aleppo. Tigr obviously was suppled by Russians, however who are the persons in photo i really do not know, they wear unusual mix of equipment but i guess they could be Russian advisors (not the guy in mid ofc he is obv Syrian).
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:33 am

    From Murad Gazdiev

    https://twitter.com/MuradoRT/status/697697438992359425

    U.S. accuses #Russia of "bombing 2 hospitals in #Aleppo" on day that no #RuAF jets struck #Aleppo. U.S. jets did.

    https://www.rt.com/news/332109-russian-jets-isis-warlords/
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:22 pm

    Couldn't resist this. I expect its Lavrov getting critical instructions from Moscow so he can't listen to Kerry. You know, something like his wife telling him what to get in duty free on his way home.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:09 pm

    He is using an iphone which is a shame.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:41 pm


    Take the ground on the cheap, herd them all in one place and euthanize them all...  Twisted Evil  


    Russia helps mediate local deals with rebels in Syria: minister

    Russian mediators are helping the Syrian government to broker deals with rebels seeking to lay down their weapons or to relocate to insurgent strongholds, as Moscow plays a role underwriting local truces with besieged opposition fighters.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ceasefires-idUSKCN0VK1CT

    National reconciliation minister Ali Haidar also said escalating military pressure was forcing more rebels to seek out deals that have resulted in some moving from areas of Damascus and Homs to insurgent strongholds in Idlib and Raqqa.

    Haidar's comments in an interview with Reuters reflect the dramatic shift in momentum in the Syrian war since Russia began air strikes in support of President Bashar al-Assad on Sept. 30.      

    As the United States struggles to advance diplomacy toward securing a wider ceasefire, so-called local reconciliation agreements represent the government's preferred tool for making peace on its terms from a position of strength, area by area.

    Such agreements - a feature of the conflict for some time - are often described as a means for the government to force surrender on insurgents, and have typically followed lengthy blockades of rebel-held areas and the civilians living there.

    "The truth is that since the presence of the Russians on Syrian land, they can play the role of mediator in some areas," Haidar said at his offices in Damascus.

    "Sometimes it is the militants who request mediation by the Russians," he said. Those wishing to relocate wanted guarantees of safe passage to rebel strongholds, and those wishing to stay wanted to be sure they wouldn't be killed later on, he said.

    Haidar described the process as purely Syrian even if there had at times been help from Russia since the start of its intervention in the war.    

    "It isn't the mediation that plays the important role. The important role is the achievements of the army in military operations, closing the path in front of these groups. The horizons are closed and this is what makes them head toward the other solution," he said.

    CONTACTS IN ALEPPO

    With the government gaining ground backed by Russian air power, international diplomacy is struggling to make headway toward an overall negotiated settlement to the war that has killed 250,000 people and forced 11 million from their homes.

    Major powers with influence over the conflict are meeting in Munich on Thursday. A Western official said on Wednesday Moscow had presented a proposal envisaging a truce in three weeks' time, though Washington has concerns about parts of it.

    Peace talks between the government and opposition factions were aborted in Geneva last week before they really began, with the opposition withdrawing as government forces backed by allied militia made a dramatic advance north of Aleppo.

    Haidar said contacts had begun with groups in Aleppo, a city divided into zones controlled separately by the government and opposition, with a view to concluding local agreements there. The government has vowed to recapture Aleppo.

    "We have started contacts with some of the militant commanders via mediators, we are seeking to arrive at solutions that keep civilians out of any coming military action," Haidar said.

    "This is happening in the Aleppo countryside, the districts of Aleppo, and rural Homs, and rural Damascus now," he said. The secret contacts in Aleppo had got underway less than two weeks ago, he said.

    In one local agreement, some 270 gunmen from the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front left the last opposition-held district of Homs for the insurgent stronghold of Idlib in December. The buses were provided by the government.

    Others have left suburbs of Damascus for both Idlib and Raqqa province, Islamic State's stronghold in Syria.

    Haidar said talks were under way for the evacuation of a total of 1,800 militants from suburbs of southern Damascus to both Idlib and Raqqa. He declined to give details because of the sensitivity of the talks.

    Haidar described it as a military tactic by insurgents who, feeling that are under pressure, are being forced to move fighters to areas such as Idlib "for the coming battle".

    "As their horizons close, and they feel ... they can no longer wage battles across all Syria, they have started to head toward gathering their forces in certain areas," Haidar said.  

    Haidar said more than 50 local deals had been concluded, though not all of them had been implemented in full. "We have a plan that can achieve reconciliations covering another million people within six months," he said.

    While welcoming deals that save lives, the United Nations says many have failed to improve conditions for civilians.

    "It is always a good thing when the guns go silent because it means lives can be saved. However, many local agreements, after they were concluded, have fallen short because free movement for civilians, free access for humanitarian aid, or restoration of basic services did not become reality," Yacoub El Hillo, UN Humanitarian and Resident Coordinator in Syria, said.

    "(Mouadamiya) is an example of how the agreement did not materialize as originally envisioned. It is imperative that these agreements have an immediate dividend that is felt by the people in these locations," he said.

    Haidar said rebels had breached the ceasefire in Mouadamiya, southwest of Damascus, which was concluded in 2013. The army is currently mounting an attack to separate Mouadamiya from nearby Daraya.

    Haidar said: "We are seeking the departure of the remaining gunmen from Mouadamiya and its return to (normal) life."
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    Post  par far Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:16 pm

    Kriva wrote:Recent public comments by the Turkish government have hinted at a possible invasion into Syrian territory to “stabilize” the situation and secure Turkey’s national security. Significant clashes between Turkish army and security forces with elements of the YPG and PKK, which have exacted a costly toll on the Kurdish civilian population have been raging in southern Turkey and northern Syria in recent months. Russian satellite surveillance and human intelligence employed by both Russian and Syria in the region have confirmed the build-up of troops and material on the border.

    http://southfront.org/military-analysis-the-turkish-2nd-army-invasion-force-for-syria/

    Syria has a military agreement with Iran. Would they intervene ?
    (I don't think so)

    Russia is currently helping Syria. Would they intervene ?
    (I don't think so)

    What are the possibilities to stop TurkISIStan?


    Arm the PKK and the Kurds to the teeth.

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