Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

KoTeMoRe wrote:I suspect they rather teach them on how to use the stadis on the optics and start handing out blank ammo. This is just ape-show for camera. Off course the people concerned are going to look as much to the cam, than to the actual teaching. Anyway needs to be done, just not exactly "training".

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I suspect they rather teach them on how to use the stadis on the optics and start handing out blank ammo. This is just ape-show for camera. Off course the people concerned are going to look as much to the cam, than to the actual teaching. Anyway needs to be done, just not exactly "training".

This is basically what i did first 10 days into "infantry" training before i got sent to my real unit. What they called exercises with rifle and "upper body strenght buildup". Many also lacked "rough" enough hands to deal with sharp metal parts while disassembling weapons, so we had bunch of cuts, bruises and simlar crap for weeks. But its a start, going apeshit on firing range is not how it starts.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I suspect they rather teach them on how to use the stadis on the optics and start handing out blank ammo. This is just ape-show for camera. Off course the people concerned are going to look as much to the cam, than to the actual teaching. Anyway needs to be done, just not exactly "training".

This is basically what i did first 10 days into "infantry" training before i got sent to my real unit. What they called exercises with rifle and "upper body strenght buildup". Many also lacked "rough" enough hands to deal with sharp metal parts while disassembling weapons, so we had bunch of cuts, bruises and simlar crap for weeks. But its a start, going apeshit on firing range is not how it starts.

We did the same, although we were two months in the military and we had SKS in lieu of SVD. Here these guys are NDF, there's very little need for them to get shown trying to use Stand up cradle stance for SVD (see first guy not even shouldering) or build in combat stamina as they look right out of the round up bus. And clearly they're distracted by the cam.

Also, I hope they're taught better support for the "snake" than their elbows. Sleeping mat or bag does far better job than uneven ground.

Handing blanks will help them a lot more with the recoil. Understanding the damn weapon, especially the Dragunov, is as important as being able to run around with it.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I suspect they rather teach them on how to use the stadis on the optics and start handing out blank ammo. This is just ape-show for camera. Off course the people concerned are going to look as much to the cam, than to the actual teaching. Anyway needs to be done, just not exactly "training".

This is basically what i did first 10 days into "infantry" training before i got sent to my real unit. What they called exercises with rifle and "upper body strenght buildup". Many also lacked "rough" enough hands to deal with sharp metal parts while disassembling weapons, so we had bunch of cuts, bruises and simlar crap for weeks. But its a start, going apeshit on firing range is not how it starts.

We did the same, although we were two months in the military and we had SKS in lieu of SVD. Here these guys are NDF, there's very little need for them to get shown trying to use Stand up cradle stance for SVD (see first guy not even shouldering) or build in combat stamina as they look right out of the round up bus. And clearly they're distracted by the cam.

Also, I hope they're taught better support for the "snake" than their elbows. Sleeping mat or bag does far better job than uneven ground.

Handing blanks will help them a lot more with the recoil. Understanding the damn weapon, especially the Dragunov, is as important as being able to run around with it.

Whole infantry training was i belive 3 months, first 10-15 days sucked donkey balls tho. We were doing it with rubber SKS and standard issued M70 depending what exercise.

PapaDragon wrote:


So this is 170 combat sorties on this Tu-22 alone. Was there a World War recently that I slept trough?

Someone should check if Central Asia is still there? Haven't heard from them in  a while...

PapaDragon wrote:


So this is 170 combat sorties on this Tu-22 alone. Was there a World War recently that I slept trough?

Someone should check if Central Asia is still there? Haven't heard from them in  a while...

medo wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:


So this is 170 combat sorties on this Tu-22 alone. Was there a World War recently that I slept trough?

Someone should check if Central Asia is still there? Haven't heard from them in  a while...

Maybe other combat sorties from other conflicts are included like Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, etc. But in that case I think many Su-25 and Su-24 would not have enough space for all combat sorties stars from all those conflicts.

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https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/691751121820450816

That's in Salma.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like "polite people" in Syria are armed in RPK chambered for 7,62x39mm is this because of availability of this ammo in Syria?

Bidoul wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like "polite people" in Syria are armed in RPK chambered for 7,62x39mm is this because of availability of this ammo in Syria?

AFAIK the RPK-74 is loathed as the "most ineffective support weapon ever", since 5.45 doesn't chew trough anything that and they bounce off walls and stuff. In an urban setting the older ones are therefore more liked, they also got AKM for the same reason.

Open field = 5.45
Urban = 7.62

There is no lack of availability in neither the weapons nor ammo for it.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Bidoul wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like "polite people" in Syria are armed in RPK chambered for 7,62x39mm is this because of availability of this ammo in Syria?

AFAIK the RPK-74 is loathed as the "most ineffective support weapon ever", since 5.45 doesn't chew trough anything that and they bounce off walls and stuff. In an urban setting the older ones are therefore more liked, they also got AKM for the same reason.

Open field = 5.45
Urban = 7.62

There is no lack of availability in neither the weapons nor ammo for it.

I'd say that the 74 is loathed for something close to that in urban setting, but not penetration actually. That's ricocheting, the round is deflected at angles and still maintains enough momentum to hurt. But at 90° it gets through a lot for the calibre.
Also the age of the gun is interesting. Red Tula furniture, straight dust cover, no dimple on the mag catch (that's ANOTHER 50 year rifle right there). If you notice that a huge batch of these have been poured in Syria lately (see some of those SVD's and the AKS with GP on another picture) it's like the guys got their weapons from the stocks they were delivering. So I'm inclined to see much more practicality instead of actual penetration issues.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Bidoul wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like "polite people" in Syria are armed in RPK chambered for 7,62x39mm is this because of availability of this ammo in Syria?

AFAIK the RPK-74 is loathed as the "most ineffective support weapon ever", since 5.45 doesn't chew trough anything that and they bounce off walls and stuff. In an urban setting the older ones are therefore more liked, they also got AKM for the same reason.

Open field = 5.45
Urban = 7.62

There is no lack of availability in neither the weapons nor ammo for it.

I'd say that the 74 is loathed for something close to that in urban setting, but not penetration actually. That's ricocheting, the round is deflected at angles and still maintains enough momentum to hurt. But at 90° it gets through a lot for the calibre.
Also the age of the gun is interesting. Red Tula furniture, straight dust cover, no dimple on the mag catch (that's ANOTHER 50 year rifle right there). If you notice that a huge batch of these have been poured in Syria lately (see some of those SVD's and the AKS with GP on another picture) it's like the guys got their weapons from the stocks they were delivering. So I'm inclined to see much more practicality instead of actual penetration issues.

Quite interesting to see a soldier decked out with the some of the most recent equipment while carrying a rifle that is older than him. Almost absurd, I remember seeing the Polite People wielding suppressed AKMS rifles back two years ago too.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Bidoul wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like "polite people" in Syria are armed in RPK chambered for 7,62x39mm is this because of availability of this ammo in Syria?

AFAIK the RPK-74 is loathed as the "most ineffective support weapon ever", since 5.45 doesn't chew trough anything that and they bounce off walls and stuff. In an urban setting the older ones are therefore more liked, they also got AKM for the same reason.

Open field = 5.45
Urban = 7.62

There is no lack of availability in neither the weapons nor ammo for it.

I'd say that the 74 is loathed for something close to that in urban setting, but not penetration actually. That's ricocheting, the round is deflected at angles and still maintains enough momentum to hurt. But at 90° it gets through a lot for the calibre.
Also the age of the gun is interesting. Red Tula furniture, straight dust cover, no dimple on the mag catch (that's ANOTHER 50 year rifle right there). If you notice that a huge batch of these have been poured in Syria lately (see some of those SVD's and the AKS with GP on another picture) it's like the guys got their weapons from the stocks they were delivering. So I'm inclined to see much more practicality instead of actual penetration issues.

Quite interesting to see a soldier decked out with the some of the most recent equipment while carrying a rifle that is older than him. Almost absurd, I remember seeing the Polite People wielding suppressed AKMS rifles back two years ago too.

Well AKMS' wouldn't be that much of a trouble. After all the AK74 is only a 5.45 AKM if we disregard riffling and bolt weight. And AKM's were assembled as late as 1989. And the process is basically the same for a lot of AKM clones. The RPK sported however is 50 year old rifle. Fo' Sho'. Now given the RPK's are more durable than the AKM's, that's not a big deal.