Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

Lieutenant General

franco wrote:Lieutenant General

Thanks, yes a 3*, my mistake for relying on the extract rather than checking the link.

Rabotae Bratia,

Russians in Aleppo.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=909_1478712823

Nice find.
Wow that's some hot stuff going on, guy on a roof 0:38 gets shot at.
But god why BRDM's ? Getting out of it is a bitch, but I can say that I love AGS on it

Regular wrote:Nice find.
Wow that's some hot stuff going on, guy on a roof 0:38 gets shot at.
But god why BRDM's ? Getting out of it is a bitch, but I can say that I love AGS on it

They're basically ramming the hell out of the first Internal ring at Northern Aleppo.

https://twitter.com/OrientNewsEn/status/796821406373867520

Disregard propaganda, just pointing out the area.

Also, the dude that gets shot at is Ok ;-)/

Russia was going to launch a attack on Aleppo, what happened? Is Russia waiting for the go ahead from Donald.

par far wrote:Russia was going to launch a attack on Aleppo, what happened? Is Russia waiting for the go ahead from Donald.

Please don't go there... With what was Russia suppose to launch an attack on Aleppo with? Air strikes are happening and the Syrian army is advancing. Some sources say there's gonna be a large scale offensive soon.

par far wrote:Russia was going to launch a attack on Aleppo, what happened? Is Russia waiting for the go ahead from Donald.

Surely our experience to date is that no-one outside the corridors of power has any idea of what Russia is going to do next and when. They are becoming the masters of the unexpected. If you put any faith in what can only be rumours don't be surprised if you are disappointed.

Notwithstanding that, it would be very surprising if Russia did anything that would put the US nose out of joint given what has just happened in Washington, to do so would be plain stupid and that is not something that the current generation of leaders in Moscow have shown any indication that they suffer from. What we have perhaps seen is a buildup that might have been unleashed if Hillary had won, now they watch and wait.

As I have said before, the RuAF can bomb everywhere but if the SAA etc can't exploit the destruction there is no point in doing it. What is clear is that Moscow is much more aware of that link than it was perhaps nine months ago. Before that, 13 months ago, the RuAF could hit strategic targets all over the place with little regard to what the SAA would do to follow up. Now that type of target is no more, the RuAF is a CAS operation above all else which means that it is tied to SAA performance.

The Russian Government's attempts to get tourists to go to Syria is baring fruit. This is a 'wish you were here' card from the first package holiday on the way to the beach. They were told to prepare themselves just incase someone beat them to the sunchairs.

JohninMK wrote:

par far wrote:Russia was going to launch a attack on Aleppo, what happened? Is Russia waiting for the go ahead from Donald.

Surely our experience to date is that no-one outside the corridors of power has any idea of what Russia is going to do next and when. They are becoming the masters of the unexpected. If you put any faith in what can only be rumours don't be surprised if you are disappointed.

Notwithstanding that, it would be very surprising if Russia did anything that would put the US nose out of joint given what has just happened in Washington, to do so would be plain stupid and that is not something that the current generation of leaders in Moscow have shown any indication that they suffer from. What we have perhaps seen is a buildup that might have been unleashed if Hillary had won, now they watch and wait.

As I have said before, the RuAF can bomb everywhere but if the SAA etc can't exploit the destruction there is no point in doing it. What is clear is that Moscow is much more aware of that link than it was perhaps nine months ago. Before that, 13 months ago, the RuAF could hit strategic targets all over the place with little regard to what the SAA would do to follow up. Now that type of target is no more, the RuAF is a CAS operation above all else which means that it is tied to SAA performance.

Though massing of troops, equipment and firepower may create a shock on the enemy but its also a military escalation that's not needed as the current range of military tempo is suffice for terrorist defense lines to collapse.

Twitter noise indicates that Russian forces are hitting jihadi supply lines and ammo depots. So there has been an intensification.
It is NATO propagandists that were bleating about the arrival of the carrier task group resulting in some massive bombing campaign
on "Aleppo" (in non-propaganda language the east Aleppo enclave). I doubt Russia would waste its bombs this way. Terminally
messing up the terrorists in the rest of Aleppo Governorate would be very effective at choking the terrorists in east Aleppo.

Yeah I heard Idlib got hammered quite a bit recently.

The BRDM's you watched are equipped with Passive TIS, stuff that is supposed to go on T-14/15, K25, Boomerang. Yeah looks like they're not only there as tourists.





Look the black box on the right of the soldier's head. Serious Tour Operator is Serious.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730713/putin-holland-dutch-submarine-russian-warships-tracking-kremin-nato-warships-moscow

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611091047250249-dutch-sub-russian-ships/

Deutch diesel sub detected at a distance of 20 km by udaloy ships escorting the Kuznetsov. Virginia class detected too.

KoTeMoRe wrote:The BRDM's you watched are equipped with Passive TIS, stuff that is supposed to go on T-14/15, K25, Boomerang. Yeah looks like they're not only there as tourists.





Look the black box on the right of the soldier's head. Serious Tour Operator is Serious.

nice has the 14.5mm gun been changed?

thats some seriously upgraded BRDM-2 they need to do this to fully out roll this to SAA T-55, T-72, MT-LB, BTR-80, BTR-60. Another Vehicle the SAA are under using is the ZSU-57-2, add additional armour on top of the turret and use in ground support role its ideal for targeting enemy positions from a far. they seem to be happy to use the ZSU-23-4 in this manner but haven't seen any pics, videos, reports of ZSU-57-2. I've seen S-60 mounted on trucks.

These BRDM-2 are mostly likely from Russia. Russia could send more Iveco LMV as it looks to replace these, also could send the GAZ Vodnik,

KoTeMoRe wrote:The BRDM's you watched are equipped with Passive TIS, stuff that is supposed to go on T-14/15, K25, Boomerang. Yeah looks like they're not only there as tourists.


Look the black box on the right of the soldier's head. Serious Tour Operator is Serious.

Are you stating that the Russians have placed thermal imaging systems from the new gen vehicles such as T-14/K-25 on these BDRMs?

Have you identified the model? Or am I mistaking by what you mean by passive TIS?

x_54_u43 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:The BRDM's you watched are equipped with Passive TIS, stuff that is supposed to go on T-14/15, K25, Boomerang. Yeah looks like they're not only there as tourists.


Look the black box on the right of the soldier's head. Serious Tour Operator is Serious.

Are you stating that the Russians have placed thermal imaging systems from the new gen vehicles such as T-14/K-25 on these BDRMs?

Have you identified the model? Or am I mistaking by what you mean by passive TIS?

no i'm saying that it lookslike a passive TIS from Turms T system.-

This is what I would expect to be supplied to Syria from third countries by their suppliers. It would be available at low price.

Heavy Towed Weapons:

160mm M-43
160mm M-160
085mm D-48
085mm D-44
SA-5
SA-2
SA-3
057mm S-60
076mm ZIS-3
023mm ZU-23-2 (also from Russia)
130mm M-46
122mm D-74
122mm M-30
082mm Vasilek (also from Russia)
152mm ML-20
152mm D-1
152mm D-20

Mobile Land Warfare:

100mm SU-100
240mm BM-240
T-34
BTR-40
BTR-152
PT-76
BTR-50
SA-9

Air Warfare:

Il-28 (H-5)
MiG-15 (FT-2)
MiG-17 (FT-5)
Tu-16 (H-6)

eehnie wrote:This is what I would expect to be supplied to Syria from third countries by their suppliers. It would be available at low price.

Heavy Towed Weapons:

160mm M-43
160mm M-160
085mm D-48
085mm D-44
SA-5
SA-2
SA-3
057mm S-60
076mm ZIS-3
023mm ZU-23-2 (also from Russia)
130mm M-46
122mm D-74
122mm M-30
082mm Vasilek (also from Russia)
152mm ML-20
152mm D-1
152mm D-20

Mobile Land Warfare:

100mm SU-100
240mm BM-240
T-34
BTR-40
BTR-152
PT-76
BTR-50
SA-9

Air Warfare:

Il-28 (H-5)
MiG-15 (FT-2)
MiG-17 (FT-5)
Tu-16 (H-6)

T-34s in Syria would be literally useless today.

MiG-15/17 do not exist in any serviceable numbers these days anywhere.

Some older artillery sure, M-46, D-30s, D-20s are still viable.

What about Su-15'S or any of Russia reserved Su-22's? Of course half would have to be cannibalize in order to get the other half somewhat operational, but Syrian Air force could use the hardware in order to strike more continuously.

miketheterrible wrote:What about Su-15'S or any of Russia  reserved Su-22's? Of course half would have to be cannibalize in order to get the other half somewhat operational, but Syrian Air force could use the hardware in order to strike more continuously.

I highly doubt any of those are in any condition to be returned to the service. Their MiG-27s were in too bad state to be reintroduced after requests in 1998. by some AF generals to support operations in Chechenya. So imagine today state of those Su-15s that were parked in some God forgotten field in Siberia.

Su-15 is useless for Syria as it is clear air defense interceptor with no air to ground capabilities. Maybe Russia have some Su-17M4 in reserve (Su-22 is export version of Su-17), which could be useful. Belarus also provide upgrades for Su-17 in Baranovichi aircraft repair plant.

Any informations, when will Kuz be in the position to start sending their fighter jets on their combat missions inside Syria? They must be very near now.