Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..

Vann7 wrote:russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..

You are missing a key point. Russia's plan is to not be in any of the areas where those risks occur, they only go where they are invited.

Unlike the US who are often where they are nor wanted, hence the need for more and expensive protection.

GarryB wrote:Vann, what makes you think protesters can't climb on bigger vehicles?

Are bigger vehicles better protected from land mines?

I have seen Tiger tanks obliterated after running over a large mine... those US vehicles are not bigger and heavier than Tiger tanks...

It doesn't matter what size a vehicle is... protesters can blind any vehicle with tins of paint and paint in spray cans... you can break small external components on any sized vehicle...

If that is the problem then a RWS that has pepper spray and a rubber bullet projector makes sense but that is more for riots and police forces rather than an army...

i mean vehicles that are taller and difficult if not impossible to climb..
the american trucks are much better for that job ,in civilians zones than the russian ones..
since is very easy to climb on russian jeeps..  so an armored infantry carrier had to be designed
for special missions ,when operating close to angry stone throwing /molotov civilians..that climb above their
jeeps.. that will allow an infiltrated terrorist to deploy a bomb on top.. so that they don't climb about their jeeps as easily as already kurds did it on their tigers.

Are you all blind? That's IVECO LMV not Tigr.

M-ATV family is much better than Humvee vehicle family.

It's very decent vehicle, especially interesting is J-ATV platform. It's also air-droppable and has very good mobility for MRAP. M-ATV is also not the top of the line product, yet they are not crazy expensive or super sophisticated like their rivals in USA.

Russia also has very good MRAP vehicles - US forces in Syria would wish to have vehicles like KAMAZ Typhoons. Russia soon will have quite decent MRAP fleet as well, the thing is - USA already have tons of vehicles ready at their disposal.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/02/article/four-fsb-special-ops-troops-killed-in-syria-report/

Fidan, head of Turkish intelligence, threatened with a repeat of the fate of Suleymani https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2852783.html

I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"

JohninMK wrote:I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"

/snigger
/guffaw

So funny....

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.

Any, better yet, ram the MRAP as it's top heavy, it will flip.

Both of the retarded.

Why would you overtake military convoy? Why would you ram? MRAP and Tigr could have ended in a crash with all inside dead or injured. These vehicles crash easily due to their shit handling and when they do - people die.

Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.

adder wrote:Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.

Could have happened, but not likely. I do believe russians show respectable restrain not to escalate this. It would probably go on as a car accident. As said before, MRAP would roll faster, this one in particular has a problem with rolling due to very high center of gravity. Tigr is heavy as well and is dangerous on high speeds, but not nearly as bad as this boat on wheels.

Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

George1 wrote:Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

Probably with an axe to grind given what happened to their mates on the other side of the Euphrates.

Wagner will need to have proper armor support and artillery with AD if they want to be effective. The Russians really need to start arming them with Iglas and Typhoons.

Thread with videos of russian Special forces in Syria released by MoD.


https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232801938988765187

SSO in action. Missile is the white spot in front of the target. In third picture new black object above explosion may be a body heading for its virgins. Better quality stills at link as well as video, last few seconds of clip.

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1233075453105184769

Frigate coming.

https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1232953175818342400

Some munitions HTS found in Saraqib. Interesting to notice RPO PDM-A Shmel-M RPG.

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1233091912745222146

really troubling. if the information is true..

social media is claiming Turkey air defenses across border are firing missiles at Russian airforce..
the next link shows an Su-34 in action apparently trying to evade a missile.. which apparently dodge it..
but if this is the new way Russian airforce needs to operate.. then Putin will need to think fast..
and enhance the security of their bombers .. other wise will face a major backslash and 2-3 pilots killed ,
which is what operates the bomber .

http://avia-pro.net/news/tureckie-f-16-atakovali-rossiyskiy-su-34-video

the experts claim is was not a manpad ,what target the plane.. but something much more powerful ,because
the bomber was flying beyond manpad range and still had to flee from the zone ,after the attempt to shot it down.
this major attempt to bring down a Russian plane was done likely in response to the turkey soldiers killed.