Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

Russia sending another message to NATO in Syria..


they moved a decomisioned warship to Syrian coast..and sink it.  

This is clearly a message to US ,UK and France ,what kind of actions
they will have to face if they continue attacking Syria. it will be epic to
see Americans or British or french soldiers jumping from a warship ,and
Russia navy rescuing the survivors.




and Russian media is full scale charge about a British Submarine chased
by Russia navy..

BREAKING! Russian Hunter Subs Chase UK U-Boat



1)Russia navy chased British Royal Navy for 2 days..
2)Not allowed them to be placed in position of firing.. did not fired its missiles.
3)Britain admit the submarine was chased..
4) if missiles fired by NATO targeted Russians positions intentionally or by accident
 the submarine will have to be sinked.. and major disaster for British NAvy.. it will have
  been self defense.  

The next video seems the ideal one ,after the Submarine incident..
Has anybody seen our ship?




about the  shelters..   They dont protect the planes from top attacks ,or damages
to the half upper side of he planes.. What can go wrong?   Russia needs full hangars coverage
for all their planes.. needs to stop being lazy fat and provide real protection.. a full reinforced closed
concrete hangar

JohninMK wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

about the  shelters..   They dont protect the planes from top attacks ,or damages
to the half upper side of he planes.. What can go wrong?   Russia needs full hangars coverage
for all their planes.. needs to stop being lazy fat and provide real protection.. a full reinforced closed
concrete hangar

You should have noticed that there is a serious space problem on that airfield. It was not really a military site before the Russians arrived and Syrian airbases are much much larger.

So, ignoring the cost, which from the comfort of your armchair would you prefer, the current number of planes with some protection or half the number in HAS etc?

Clearly the people who matter have gone for the latter.

Sometimes you need to think things through before you pontificate.

well a concrete hangar how much that cost ? vs the cost of a combat plane?
Even Syria military airports have them.. yes space is a problem.. but bombs or artillery bombs
or kamikazi terrorist drones destroying their planes will be a bigger problem.. not mentioning the humilliation
that it will be ,if terrorist destroy Russian planes with cheap artillery.. already 2 serviceman killed... So i don't
think Russia is taking seriously the defense of its military assets.. and they think they can solve all by just throwing
more pantsirs there and more S-400s. when they full know.. air defenses will not always guarantee 100% protection always. since all can be overwhelmed.. is just unfortunate Russia always underestimate its enemies and their determination to target the Russian base. Better to have full hangars... even if space limited ,since they don't have
many planes anyway ,so no damage in building proper hangars for 12 to 24 planes..

Not ideal for air burst ammo, but the biggest threat is from enemy artillery, so if it lands directly on a plane the protection around it will stop the shrapnel from damaging other aircraft... if it does not hit a plane then the side protection will prevent shrapnel from damaging any aircraft at all.

You get reasonable protection for the price of some sand bags... very clever and shows the Russians know how to spread their budget efficiently.

Good ANalysis of Western Strike here

Who is lying less, Russia with its claims that 71 out 105 missiles launched against Syria were knocked down or the USA who stated that all the rockets have landed on their targets?

Austin wrote:Good ANalysis of Western Strike here

Who is lying less, Russia with its claims that 71 out 105 missiles launched against Syria were knocked down or the USA who stated that all the rockets have landed on their targets?

Very good investigation... = NATO version is total lies..

-But the research facility does not show signs of being hit by any tomahawks at all zero..... Because there are building
standing in good conditions right next to buildings that collapsed.. it looks as if the building was hit with something else ,like artillery.

- And Russia latest updated version claims only 22 missiles from 105 hit its intended targets..
So thats a lot of misses.. about 80% of the missiles. were either intercepted or they were jammed and crashed
in the sand.

SO my guess is that the real hits was more like ~10 hits.. and the research facility was not attacked by Cruise missiles
at all ,but something far less explosive.. like artillery. So Russia might be inflating a little the NATO hits ,to not embarrass them too much ,to the point of provoking them to try again harder.

Austin wrote:Good ANalysis of Western Strike here

Actually a very bad one

Last data of Federation's MoD are the following for the targets declared by the US MoD.



https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12172894@egNews

22 hits in total for the three sites, so distributed :


13 hits for the Universitary Barzah Research Center (of the ......76 claimed by Pentagon)




7 hits for the Him Shinshar weapon storages (of the 22 claimed )

 



2 hits for the Him Shinshar bunker (on the 7 claimed)



Anyone can see with its own eyes what version, among the two, is the serious and correct one (please observe the video for the placement of missiles for each site)


Only for the area of Damascus has been registered 46 successful interceptions (the specifics i have provided in mine last post) in 5 main interception points - three in the western Damascus sector and two to the east

Only for the Homs area 20 successful interceptions in three main interception points .

A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...

GarryB wrote:A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...

What that soilder said at the start of the video, having four nationalities, four religions, him being a Sunni and having Shia, Buddhists and Christians under his command and than saying that we are Russian Citizens first is just incredible, this is what makes Russia unique, Russia has the ability to pull people from all walks of life and bring it under one umbrella and this is what scares the Zionists the most.

Ask any Muslim in the western world and the answer will be the exact opposite.

The newest Su-25SM3 was first seen in Syria
April 29, 2018

One of these days the next landing from journalists has landed on the Russian airbase Khemeymim. Subsequently, several photo-reports were published. In one of them, as we already reported , the domestic Tor-M2 air defense system was lit. Before that, no information was available on the deployment of these air defense systems in Syria.

Now in the camera lenses came the latest modification of the Russian Su-25SM3 attack aircraft. It can be determined from the antenna of the KSS-25 communication system on the gaherrot. The first reports that the new Su-25 will be transferred to Syria, appeared even more than a year ago. Such measures were taken in connection with the fact that the militants started using portable SAMs. Unlike the previous versions, the Su-25SM3 is armed with the Vitebsk defense defense system, which protects the aircraft from anti-aircraft missiles, and also has a new all-weather laser sighting system SOLT-25.

GarryB wrote:A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...

Perhaps a more accurate designation would be Military Police Commandos (Spetsnaz)
- there are 4 of these battalions based in the North Caucasus
- units are contract personnel only and every attempt is made to recruit locally
- Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia (confirmed) and suspect the 4th battalion in Kabardino-Balkaria
- original Military Police plans called for 2 special brigades, one in North Caucasus and one in Moscow.
- Moscow unit became the 1st Semenov Rifle Regiment instead
- these 4 units during the Sochi games were called the 346th Spetsnaz Brigade
- not sure if that unit existed in any more then name, perhaps with a Command structure for the 4 battalions
- when this unit returned home to Chechnya after their first 6 month deployment, 394 returning personnel were welcomed at the airport. So suspect a battalion would be ~400 personnel.
- just more "polite people"

For the first time #Russia deploying its highly improved close attack aircraft the Su-25SM3 in #Khmemeim AB

https://mobile.twitter.com/WaelAlRussi/status/990636238918078466

They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.

auslander wrote:They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.

Like this?

JohninMK wrote:So, it looks like it could well be just rumours and no S-300s then. Yet.

Got to make do with EW for now.

According to the article below, an additional batch of Pantsirs were delivered to the Syrians last week ....doesn't specify exact number. Some reports are suggesting they might be crewed by Russians at least initially as there isn't enough trained Syrian crews atm

https://topwar.ru/140568-poka-ne-s-300-no-rossiya-postavila-sirii-dopolnitelnuyu-partiyu-zrk-pancir.html

Militarov wrote:

auslander wrote:They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.

Like this?

What the hell

Cyberspec wrote:

What the hell

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/vietnam-war/its-true-a-toilet-was-used-as-an-aerial-bomb-during-the-vietnam-war.html

Enjoy

I think the chances of mass air attack by planes from Usraeli and yank against Syria is low . Since Russia and yank already has different flight area and deconfliction zones of operation . And since any loss of pilot by either side , will escalate war to unacceptable levels . Further attacks by CM , are also unlikely in the short term . Until they figure out what went wrong this time . So in Syria , I feel a change of tactic . Using special forces to sabotage , for example . Then later another lower risk CM attack . But what harm in equipping with s300 ? In case of mass attack ? For sneak attack by one or two plane , still use lower tech and optic .

However Iran more ripe for both mass air attack and mass CM attack against one or two target . No risk of escalation with modern equipped airforce or nuke power . Here a mass attack against one or two target more likely . Here use s300 .

Naval aircraft in Hmeim airbase:





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3179492.html

So Iranian have been using UAV to fight the rats ? And perhaps dumping rockets in a depot ? It all seems a clean war to me . Effective against rats . But now the zionists are attacking with planes ? Targeting sites ? Killing Iranian and destroying arms depot ? To slow down war on terror ? Or to draw in the Yank into war to save their assets ?

So if Russian airforce does not engage directly against usraeli airforce . Attacking Iranian advisors in Syria . Who are helping defend SAA . Then Iran needs to change tactic . It will not be allowed bases easily . Unless the Usraeli are beaten back . But without Russian air cover and without S300 , then how can they be beaten back ?

The Hezb forces did not have these either . They used tunnels . And manpads . At close range . This nullified the Usraeli airforce . As they engaged their army at close range . And from under cover . And they destroyed their tanks . However digging tunnels is not the only way to overcome attacking bombers and engage at close quarters .

Troops armed with manpads riding motorcycles and quads can advance fast across battlefield . Minefield can be destroyed . To allow passage . Smoke can be deployed to cover advance against air power . Artillery can be taken out by rockets . By the time pilots wake up , our troops have over run their positions . And destroyed their tanks . Since they are mobile , they need laser guided munitions from planes to hit them . The planes have to come low . And can be taken out with shorter range mobile air defences . This is the help Iran can give to Syria . To fortify the southern flank , while SAA finishes off the rats . A lightening strike .

So mobile troops needs to go to Syria . To disperse and hide in many places . Carrying ammo with them . Wait for command to attack . Not priority to use UAV right now . Or put everything in one large ammo dump . All eggs in one basket . Many baskets . Many eggs .

The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me

PapaDragon wrote:

Nice...First time I'm seeing a Su-30 loaded up with R-77-1's

Cyberspec wrote:The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me
......

Removing US troops and parking Arabs there means that 555st will be going on a rampage the moment those Arabs fire a first bullet in general direction of SAA

Unlike USA, Arabs don't have nuclear extinction clause covering their asses and that is why I think that they are unlikely to replace USA, it would be like delivering East Syria on a silver platter to SAA