Isos wrote: Karl Haushofer wrote:How can a bird bring down SU-30? A bird?????
No, I think it was shot down and Russia is hiding it in order to save face.
It goes Inside the engine and destroys it, the plane is then runing on one engine which is not on the center so the plane is really difficult to control. The incident happened at the take off so the it was at low altitude. There was people watching it and took pictures and they say they didn't saw any fire so it was not shot down.
It also happened near the air base where russian control the ground and the air. So it is unlikely that it could have been shot down.
You actually don't know that... If that plane was shutdown...by another enemy country.. the most natural
thing Russia will do is say anything "was a bird" to earn time , so that Putin can discuss with its Generals ,what they will do next.. instead of having people in the streets demanding retaliation... So is possible it was an accident.. but you can't discard it was shot down by Israel ,in a backstab attack.. as Turkey did.. ie. A dog fighting that ended bad for Russia. The explosion as "proof" of plane crash could be anything.. The previous days ,and week have been the most tense in the entire Syrian conflict.. Just 20 hours ago Israeli planes were flying low over lebanon. a couple of times .it was reported by wael.. provoking Russia.. but if a Russian plane is shotdown it will be impossible to hide ,if it happens near Lebanon.. or Syrian territory. So videos will have shown ,showing some different story.. in any case..
in any case ,regardless of what happened..Found an excellent post in SPutnik that summarize important things i have been saying.. for long..
from Sputnik forums..
Dragan Radulovic · Bela Crkva
Russia has been suffering more and more casualties due to the unpreparedness of Russian leadership to name a spade 'the spade,' and fully engage in the war imposed at Russia.
The Russian indecisiveness has become notorious and an ultimate reason for concern (recall two-time withdrawal from Syria and Mr Lavrov's statements about our 'western colleagues and partners'). Additionally, the idea of saving this summer World Football Cup at any price may end in devastating consequences for Russia.
It's high time for Russians to get aware the West has been waging an all-out war at Russia aiming her total destruction including the annihilation the Russians as a nation. 'Western partners' are convinced to have all technical abilities to achieve the goal and they will stop at nothing.
One of the things is really disgusting to see ,is how Russia LAVROV try to continue "hoping" US comes to its senses...
when they experience NO NEGATIVE consequences from Bombing Syria. and have been trying to destroy Russia ,as soon the COld war "ended". by attacking Yugoeslavia ,Serbia , arming chechen terrorist , revolutions in Georgia ,Ukraine , Syria... and sanctions and sabotage to Russia economy.. the west is at war with Russia.. and is not a time
for Russia to pretend it can influence Americans elite in any way.. Syria and ukraine were attacked only to harm Russia. and this can't be ignored.
Russia is taking a HUGE RISK , in hosting the FIFA 2018 ,in times US,UK and ISrael are close to a war with Russia.
And another mistake is Putin reducing the miltiary budget.. in times a war with NATO major powers seems inevitable.
hopefully the west ,will not try anything ,but Russia did risk mass scale riots in Russia and terrorist attacks..fires in malls, sabotage by US NGOS.... etc FIFA will become a major issue for Russia policies .
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Two RuAF 224th Flight Unit Antonov An-124-100 Ruslan massive heavy lifter planes departed Humaymim #Latakia. RA82035 already in Russia, made stopover in Mozdok and currently over Bryansk. RA82032 is currently over Caspian after transiting Iraqi & Iranian airpace.
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