Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

flamming_python wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Let's see the balls on those RAF pilots when they come face to face with SU-30s. Tornadoes are not exactly air superiority fighters. Their Typhoons would be better suited for that role. All talk and no walk again.

It would be foolish to underestimate the RAF; like the rest of the British military they are constantly underbudget, but tend to get things done.

I think Russia would be wise to deploy extra anti-aircraft systems and air superiority fighters if there is a real danger of confrontation; the Russian MoD would certainly not underestimate any threat and would take whatever measures are necessary. But my inkling is that it was simply unfortunate wording by British sources.

Bars-M on Su-30SM and V004 on Su-34 would see those Tornados from farther away than the tornados would see them. Bars and V004 have massove detection/track range. But I agree, more ground systems the better.

Another 'on the button' worth a read Mike Whitney article. These are a few paras.

Then there was a third incident, a more serious incident, that was not a mistake. It was clearly intended to send a message to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Here’s a short summary of what happened from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:

“Turkish officials claimed a third incident on Monday, when an unidentified MiG-29 fighter jet locked its radar for four and a half minutes on eight Turkish F-16 jets that were on patrol on their side of the border, in apparent preparation to open fire.” (“US, NATO step up threats to Russia over Syria“, World Socialist Web Site)

This was no mistake. The only time a fighter pilot adopts these protocols is when he plans to take down an enemy plane. This was a message, and while it might have been over-the-heads of the politicians and the media but, I assure you, every general in the Turkish High-Command knows what’s it means. This is a wake-up call. Moscow is indicating that there’s a new sheriff in town and that Turkey had better behave itself or there’s going to be trouble. There’s not going to be any US-Turkey no-fly zone over North Syria, there’s not going to be any aerial attacks on Syrian sites from the Turkish side of the border, and there certainly is not going to be any ground invasion of Turkish troops into Syria. The Russian Aerospace Defence Forces now control the skies over Syria and they are determined to defend Syria’s sovereign borders. That’s the message. Period.

This is a good example of how “preemption” can actually prevent conflicts rather than starting them. By firing a shot over Turkey’s bow, Moscow has dampened Erdogan’s plan to annex part of N. Syria and declare it a “safe zone”. Turkey will have to scrap that plan now realizing that any attempt to seize-and-hold Syrian territory will trigger a swift and powerful Russian retaliation. Seen in this light, Russia’s incursion looks like an extremely effective way to prevent a broader war by simply telegraphing to potential adversaries what they can and can’t do. Simply put: Putin has rewritten the rules of the game in Syria and Erdogan had better comply or else.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/09/putins-endgame-in-syria/

JohninMK wrote:Another 'on the button' worth a read Mike Whitney article. These are a few paras.

Then there was a third incident, a more serious incident, that was not a mistake. It was clearly intended to send a message to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.  Here’s a short summary of what happened from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:

   “Turkish officials claimed a third incident on Monday, when an unidentified MiG-29 fighter jet locked its radar for four and a half minutes on eight Turkish F-16 jets that were on patrol on their side of the border, in apparent preparation to open fire.” (“US, NATO step up threats to Russia over Syria“, World Socialist Web Site)

This was no mistake. The only time a fighter pilot adopts these protocols is when he plans to take down an enemy plane. This was a message, and while it might have been over-the-heads of the politicians and the media but, I assure you, every general in the Turkish High-Command knows what’s it means. This is a wake-up call.  Moscow is indicating that there’s a new sheriff in town and that Turkey had better behave itself or there’s going to be trouble. There’s not going to be any US-Turkey no-fly zone over North Syria, there’s not going to be any aerial attacks on Syrian sites from the Turkish side of the border, and there certainly is not going to be any ground invasion of Turkish troops into Syria.  The Russian Aerospace Defence Forces now control the skies over Syria and they are determined to defend Syria’s sovereign borders. That’s the message. Period.

This is a good example of how “preemption” can actually prevent conflicts rather than starting them. By firing a shot over Turkey’s bow, Moscow has dampened Erdogan’s plan to annex part of N. Syria and declare it a “safe zone”. Turkey will have to scrap that plan now realizing that any attempt to seize-and-hold Syrian territory will trigger a swift and powerful Russian retaliation. Seen in this light,  Russia’s incursion looks like an extremely effective way to prevent a broader war by simply telegraphing to potential adversaries what they can and can’t do. Simply put: Putin has rewritten the rules of the game in Syria and Erdogan had better comply or else.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/09/putins-endgame-in-syria/

Only, theres no russian mig 29s in syria, so if the event actually happened, then it was a syrian plane, so its not exactly russia sending out a message to turkey. Too much media bs being stirred up about incidents on the turkish border.

Just out of interest, what kind of altitude are us/uk planes carrying out their air strikes from compared to russian?

Rodinazombie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Another 'on the button' worth a read Mike Whitney article. These are a few paras.

Then there was a third incident, a more serious incident, that was not a mistake. It was clearly intended to send a message to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.  Here’s a short summary of what happened from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:

   “Turkish officials claimed a third incident on Monday, when an unidentified MiG-29 fighter jet locked its radar for four and a half minutes on eight Turkish F-16 jets that were on patrol on their side of the border, in apparent preparation to open fire.” (“US, NATO step up threats to Russia over Syria“, World Socialist Web Site)

This was no mistake. The only time a fighter pilot adopts these protocols is when he plans to take down an enemy plane. This was a message, and while it might have been over-the-heads of the politicians and the media but, I assure you, every general in the Turkish High-Command knows what’s it means. This is a wake-up call.  Moscow is indicating that there’s a new sheriff in town and that Turkey had better behave itself or there’s going to be trouble. There’s not going to be any US-Turkey no-fly zone over North Syria, there’s not going to be any aerial attacks on Syrian sites from the Turkish side of the border, and there certainly is not going to be any ground invasion of Turkish troops into Syria.  The Russian Aerospace Defence Forces now control the skies over Syria and they are determined to defend Syria’s sovereign borders. That’s the message. Period.

This is a good example of how “preemption” can actually prevent conflicts rather than starting them. By firing a shot over Turkey’s bow, Moscow has dampened Erdogan’s plan to annex part of N. Syria and declare it a “safe zone”. Turkey will have to scrap that plan now realizing that any attempt to seize-and-hold Syrian territory will trigger a swift and powerful Russian retaliation. Seen in this light,  Russia’s incursion looks like an extremely effective way to prevent a broader war by simply telegraphing to potential adversaries what they can and can’t do. Simply put: Putin has rewritten the rules of the game in Syria and Erdogan had better comply or else.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/09/putins-endgame-in-syria/

Only, theres no russian mig 29s in syria, so if the event actually happened, then it was a syrian plane, so its not exactly russia sending out a message to turkey. Too much media bs being stirred up about incidents on the turkish border.

Yup those are syrians and they are doing a right thing and the reason why they are doing it because of Russia's backing . Turkey can't just enforce no-fly zone which includes Syrian airspace . Nice to see Mig-29s rattling F-16s

Can we stop running the thread off the rails with personal bullshit?

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151011/1028362916/russia-us-syria-italian-media.html
Interesting little article from out of Italy.

A bit more on today's meeting in Sochi. This could have been a 'you give ISIS Stingers and we give Iran Kalibr' moment.

In Russia 19:29, 11 October 2015
Russia and Saudi Arabia have agreed to cooperate more closely in fighting terrorism

Moscow. October 11. INTERFAX.RU - Russia and Saudi Arabia agreed to intensify cooperation in the military and intelligence agencies to combat terrorism, said Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

"My colleague and friend was mandated to continue close cooperation between foreign policy agencies to promote these understandings (settlement in Syria - Interfax), to make them more specific as well as was mandated to intensify the fight against terrorism, to strengthen their interaction in this area through our military and special services," - said Lavrov reporters in Sochi.

In Sochi today held talks Russian President Vladimir Putin and defense Minister of Saudi Arabia, the successor of crown Prince Muhammad Ibn Salman al Saud.

Russians in syria in the eyes of the west, russian only sorry.

JohninMK wrote:A bit more on today's meeting in Sochi. This could have been a 'you give ISIS Stingers and we give Iran Kalibr' moment.

In Russia 19:29, 11 October 2015
Russia and Saudi Arabia have agreed to cooperate more closely in fighting terrorism

Moscow. October 11. INTERFAX.RU - Russia and Saudi Arabia agreed to intensify cooperation in the military and intelligence agencies to combat terrorism, said Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

"My colleague and friend was mandated to continue close cooperation between foreign policy agencies to promote these understandings (settlement in Syria - Interfax), to make them more specific as well as was mandated to intensify the fight against terrorism, to strengthen their interaction in this area through our military and special services," - said Lavrov reporters in Sochi.

In Sochi today held talks Russian President Vladimir Putin and defense Minister of Saudi Arabia, the successor of crown Prince Muhammad Ibn Salman al Saud.

This prince is a warmonger and he even tried a coup to upstage current king. Iranians would love to fire many kalibrs from caspian sea though.

Outside the russian embassy in bulgaria..



Someone seems a bit upset... I heard the words russia, assad, israel, so the blanks you can probably fill in quite easily

How ironic if US-backed regime change efforts in ‪#‎Syria‬ to disrupt the "Shia crescent" of geopolitical influence (formed by US overthrow of Saddam Hussein) end up instead solidifying and tempering the ‪#‎Iran‬-‪#‎Iraq‬-#Syria-‪#‎Hezbollah‬ alliance, AND gaining it a Great Power Patron in ‪#‎Russia‬?

Russian Intervention in Syria Excites Iraq’s Disillusioned Shiites



Even Sunni Pakistanis supporting Putin


Russia's anti-terrorist operation in Syria helpful: Khawaja Asif

Deconstructing the NATO Narrative on Syria


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max steel wrote:Deconstructing the NATO Narrative on Syria


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Nice link, ive just followed some of the links in that article and will be reading them before i go to bed, good stuff.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Syria-how-the-violence-be-by-Tim-Anderson-130513-875.html#_blank

http://www.handsoffsyriasydney.com/articles/who-fired-the-first-shot/#_blank

To chill up a mood abit around here i got you one nice map

the cameraman tries to tell they didnt hit anything but then a ISIS fighter ruins his show by going hystericaly mad butthurt, i actaully found the same video on liveleak with a iraq giving a actaully translation to english:

as posted from the assyrian iraqi on liveleak:

Camera man: “The Russian airforce bombing the grass land in village in Hamma.”
He literally repeats the same words 3 times with his goat voice.

Camera whore jumps in front of the camera blocking the fucking view because he has something important to say…

Camera whore: Allahu snackbar. THIS IS THE RUSSIAN AIRFORCE. THIS IS THE RUSSIAN MILITIAS. THEY BOMB US WITH AIRPLANES. WE WILL FIND YOU AND FIGHT YOU, IN Allah’S WILLING. YOU SHEEP YOU PIGS. WE WILL FIGHT YOU AND WE WILL JIHAD YOU, in Allah’s willing. Hur Dur…
at this point he’s too butthurt and doesn’t know what else to say because he’s a camer whore. He starts pointing in directions pointing to where there is badass millitias who will make jihad and destroy Russia…
.. those militias in reef hamma el shemali (northern hamma jihadis), some other shitty jihadi group, some other shitty goatfucker club. Allahu snackbar and thank be to allah.”

Camera man: “ date is 10/11/2015 here we see the Russian bombing the grass land in a village in Hamma”
Camera man: “ here in this place we see Russian bombing in grassland in a village in hamma. Here is a tree burning. It’s been minutes since the bombing in this place. Here is the burning tree. It’s 10/11/2015”

PapaDragon wrote:
Su-25 kicking ass

Some S-24 love.....4 of them I think

This is interesting:

The cost of Russian military operations in Syria will be about $ 1 billion a year.

Not bad, considering that the operation is supposed to only last 4 months, and if that claim holds true it'll cost approx. $300 million. A small price to pay to prevent the Wahabbi vermin carrying out terror attacks on Russian soil (considering all the Chechen extremists), and besides I'm sure Russian companies will be rewarded handsomely in hydrocarbon and arms supply contracts from Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

magnumcromagnon wrote:This is interesting:

The cost of Russian military operations in Syria will be about $ 1 billion a year.

Not bad, considering that the operation is supposed to only last 4 months, and if that claim holds true it'll cost approx. $300 million. A small price to pay to prevent the Wahabbi vermin carrying out terror attacks on Russian soil (considering all the Chechen extremists), and besides I'm sure Russian companies will be rewarded handsomely in hydrocarbon and arms supply contracts from Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

They can alleviate the cost.. by reducing the number of trainings in Russia that are not vital..
For example 50% of the experience infantry on foot sent to vacations and only focus in training
conscripts and essential forces like Missiles /space forces and air defenses but also Navy..
Last numbers i saw.. Russia do more than 1,000 training exercises in one year.. with up to thousands of soldiers at times .. So they can cut the training to 500..and focus on the most important things. The money they save in training practice will allow Russia to more easily handle the cost of the operation of Syria.. even for a full year if needed.