Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

ult wrote:Could this mean that more Su-30SM have arrived?

https://russian.rt.com/article/122961

NationalRus wrote:

Not when manoeuvering and chaffing. It is actually less dangerous than flying high. And all those were killed with no countermeasure and two of them while ferrying (Ukraine, and Armenian).

nooooo shiiiiiittt sherlock, and ferrying or not, they did all by the book VERY LOW and fast and it didnt save them.. but like i said which of this "countermeasures" have proven themselfs working against 3rd generations manpads and a heli out maneuvering a "locked on" second or 3rd generation manpad, never heard of that ever happening like ever, if the missle locked in on it i would strongly assume the heli is to 97% food on a plate and only a bad hit would save you from a catastrophic structure failure (like the syrian mi-8 from 2012)

ther is none fool proof tactic against modern manpads that will work perfect or even very good, not even slightly close

Ukrop Crocodile wasn't going fast, it was hit at under 200 kph. The Armenian one was also going under 200 it was ferrying. It's a completely different ballgame. As for being "dangerous" or not, lel, you sure think war is a picknick? There are also other issues to take to account. One of them s what they hit and how your crew reacts. What 3rd Gen manpads have been used lately (bar some brand new Iglas in Ukraine). FN-06 has a ~50% hit ratio agaist SAA so far. Including a very failsome footage that misses sitting SYAAF m25 and another that misses a MI-17 at mid altitude.

Rodinazombie wrote:Another fresh video of RuAF smashing enemy positions near latakia

ult wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Another fresh video of RuAF smashing enemy positions near latakia

Oh cmon. That's not RuAF. It's Mig-23. It's Syrians.

NationalRus wrote:

Ukrop Crocodile wasn't going fast, it was hit at under 200 kph. The Armenian one was also going under 200 it was ferrying. It's a completely different ballgame. As for being "dangerous" or not, lel, you sure think war is a picknick? There are also other issues to take to account. One of them s what they hit and how your crew reacts. What 3rd Gen manpads have been used lately (bar some brand new Iglas in Ukraine). FN-06 has a ~50% hit ratio agaist SAA so far. Including a very failsome footage that misses sitting SYAAF m25 and another that misses a MI-17 at mid altitude.

no thats what i hear from all of you pawns, acting like they are rambos out ther nothing can scratch them with god mode on, they all be fine manpads and AAA no danger while using ther perfect tactis, while all i said since the first mi-24 mission came on youtube (feel free to check my posts) that there are taking huge risks and basically every one of there combat missions is a damn gamble

and how did you mathematically came up with under 200kph on them while the russian mi's are flying "much faster" BS i see no speed difference what so ever and even if ther hitting 20kph more then this will certainly be all the difference they need but please share your speed formula with your statistic's of "FN-6" kill to failure ratio, and still waiting for the proof of this great countermeasures that will stop modern manpads... becouse ther is no PROOF so fuck your hypotheticals

sepheronx wrote:Interesting that they use MiG-23 for such engagements..

Would be interesting if SVP-24 can be integrated into other systems like Su-22. Could help Syris alot.

medo wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Interesting that they use MiG-23 for such engagements..

Would be interesting if SVP-24 can be integrated into other systems like Su-22. Could help Syris alot.

SVP-24 is integrated with MiG-27. Russia should send some of those from their reserves as RuAF doesn't use them any more. Many of those planes have quite small number of flying hours as they fly less than 10 years as Russia retire all single engine jets after the fall of USSR. Modernized MiG-27 is still good bomber and Syrian pilots would not have much problems with flying with them as they fly with MiG-23BN.

Rodinazombie wrote:

ult wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Another fresh video of RuAF smashing enemy positions near latakia

Oh cmon. That's not RuAF. It's Mig-23. It's Syrians.

Sorry,  my eyes arent that good and didnt notice.

That brings up an interesting question, to what extent are syrian and russian air forces coordinating the attacks with each other? Are there specific targets that the russians go for or what?

Seven thousand of Al-haydareyeen, the Fatimids, the IRGC and Hezbollah ready for the battle of Idlib
BAGHDAD – from Elijah J. Magnier –

“Al-Rai” learned from a high ranking source in joint operation room in Baghdad, which includes Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Hezbollah (4+1) that “the Russian operation Air Command room in Syria expressed the need to increase the number of daily air strikes from 60 down to 200 and up to 300  to cover three fronts extending from Latakia to rural countryside of Idlib and Aleppo. This is the minimum required to allow an effective progress of the attacking forces engaged and those ready to take part of the battle to retake further strategic objectives. ”

The source explained, “The first wave of attack, which began a week ago, is, in the military term, a forced reconnaissance to test the readiness, reaction and defense strategy and effectives of the enemy”.

“The Joint Command decided to send sorties over specific terrorist’ military targets. None the less, the number of sorties are not enough to prepare the military operational ground and satisfy the targeted area with enough fire required. The two airports used by the Russian Air Force , Hameemeem and Latakia, , are unable to provide services for more than 60 sorties. The ongoing military operation needs at least 100 to 200 and more sorties daily to achieve the desired goals. The theater of the military operation of the countryside Latakia to Jisr al-Shughur and reef Aleppo is a vast area of ​​about 20,000 square kilometers. Therefore, there is a need to use a third airport which we are preparing and organising in the coming month”. To give a better picture, Israel carried out 300-400 sorties daily in the July 2006 war Hezbollah’ zone of influence in Lebanon and which does not exceed an area of ​​more than 3,000 square kilometers. Therefore, one can imagine the actual need to increase the number of airstrikes against terrorist targets and to support the advance to the ground troops”, said the source.



“There are new forces prepared to support the Syrian troops. These include about 7,000 fighters distributed as follows: Al-haydareyeen Iraqis Forces (2000 fighters), the Fatimids Afghan forces (2000 fighters), the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps ( 2,000 fighters) and the elite of Hezbollah (1000 fighter), These have not yet been pushed into the battle of reef Idlib, awaiting for the Russian Air Force to increase their sorties. So far, we can say that Jaish al-Fath that includes al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra) was not affected, as we have hoped, by the first wave of attack. These will receive more lethal weapons from the United States and their allies. Therefore, we all agreed, with Moscow, that the Russian air force would step up their missions and strikes in the coming days. ”

On the reason for the attack from the countryside of Latakia, the source said: “This front is one of the most sensitivity and dangerous one. There is a possibility that Turkey and its allies in the region support al-Qaeda and their allies on the ground by attacking the area and push to Latakia, presenting a direct danger to the Russian airports there. Therefore, it was decided to clear the area”.

“Russia make no distinction between a jihadist moderate and jihadi extremist . They are all targets. The cooperation between the Free Syrian Army , the Army of Conquest (Jaish al-Fath), the Army of Islam, Jaish al-Mujahedeen wal-Ansar and Al-Qaeda (Jabhat Al-Nusra) affirms that everyone is in the same trench and partners in one battle sharing weapons received from the United States and regional countries. It seems that the United States did not learn from the Afghanistan war supporting Osama bin Laden and today it is supporting al-Qaeda in Syria “, he said.

ult wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Another fresh video of RuAF smashing enemy positions near latakia

Oh cmon. That's not RuAF. It's Mig-23. It's Syrians.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Zero meter above the ground level (AGL).

Expert: IS air defense missiles and guns posing no threat to Russian aircraft in Syria

What the militants have is mostly old MANPADS (man-portable air defense missiles) that cannot hit anything higher than 4,000 m, while Russian aircraft operate at higher altitude, an expert believes



MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. The man-portable air defense missiles (MANPADS) and antiaircraft guns available to the militants of the Islamic State (IS), which is banned in Russia, do not pose a credible threat to the Russian warplanes operating in Syria, Ivan Konovalov, director of Strategic Conjuncture Center, believes.

"First off, the militants lack advanced formidable air defense systems. What they have is mostly old MANPADS — old [US-made] Stingers or Russian-made Strelas [NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail] that cannot hit anything higher than 4,000 m, while our aircraft operate at higher altitude," Konovalov told TASS on Friday.

In addition, infrared decoys capable of duping such missiles protect the Russian aircraft. "For instance, the Su-24 [NATO reporting name Fencer] carries 50 decoys like that," the expert specified.

"Now, our planes operating in Syria are faced with the minimal risk, because they operate in such a manner that Su-24M and Su-34 bombers mostly release their bombs and missiles from outside of the reach of MANPADS," he emphasized, reminding that the Russian pilots have been employing standoff weapons, e.g. Kh-29L missiles and KAB-500 smart bombs, that outrange MANPADS.

Only helicopters and Su-25SM ground attack aircraft are vulnerable to MANPADS, because their speed and service ceiling are limited, Konovalov said.

"However, Su-25SMs have been used on a limited scale, i.e. only where the risk of encountering MANPADS and AAA is minimal," he stressed.

"The helicopters are not used for attacking IS positions altogether," he reminded. According to Konovalov, it is deducible from Russian Defense Ministry briefs that they have been used only for defending the perimeter of Hmeimim air base, where the Russian air task force is deployed.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/827491

When John McCain told journalists that he finds arming the so-called "moderate" Syrian rebels with deadly Stinger missiles to shoot down Russian warplanes in Syria appropriate, he failed to add that he had already distributed some to these "guys" in 2012, US Marine combat veteran Gordon Duff reveals.


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US 'Disinformation War' Unable to Mar Russia's Military Success in Syria
The events unfolding in Syria have led professional political observers to one grievous conclusion, that the American political elite "is not just supporting terrorists but creating these groups as well, not just recently but, as we will show, 16 years before 9/11," US Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War and senior editor of Veterans Today Gordon Duff notes.
And these are not some "bizarre conspiracy theories."

"The world increasingly recognizes that America has lost her mind, at least the majority of public figures quoted in the mainstream media. Hillary Clinton wants a no-fly zone over Syria with US jets shooting down Russian planes. Zbigniew Brzezinski wants the US to "disarm" the Russian navy and "arrest" Russian forces in Syria for "resisting" America's plans for conquest," Duff emphasized in his article for New Eastern Outlook.

In addition, Duff noted, there is US Senator John McCain, who is "not only prepared for war with Russia," but has already developed a plan and has even provided terrorists in Syria with weapons which represent a threat to Russian pilots.

"America, or more appropriately Senator John McCain, had already channeled 100 deadly Stinger missiles into the hands of al-Qaeda's worldwide network, a blunder that has raised civil aviation security concerns around the world. A few were used against Syrian helicopters with great success, however the majority have disappeared," the US Marine combat veteran stressed.

However, instead of trying to get these deadly weapons back, "Hanoi John" McCain wants to give Syrian extremists more in order to shoot down Russian warplanes, which are now attacking ISIL and al-Qaeda in the region.


© AFP 2015/ FADI AL-HALABI
Learning Afghani Lesson Right: 'Stingers for Rebels' Not US Option in Syria
On October 5, John McCain, a chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee, told US media reporters that he believes it would be right to arm the Syrian "rebels" with Stinger missiles "as we [the US] did in Afghanistan."
"I would do as we did in Afghanistan many years ago and give the guys the opportunity to shoot down those [Russian] planes," he said, as quoted by Fox News.

"The problem is that John McCain fulfilled that promise, one he made directly to ISIS [ISIL] commander al-Baghdadi during their 2012 meetings, meetings McCain claimed were inside Syria but were actually outside Hatay, Turkey, hosted by Turkish intelligence. During these meetings, according to intelligence sources, McCain agreed to supply what he calls "his guys," now more commonly known as ISIS [ISIL] and al-Qaeda, 100 Stinger missiles," Duff underscored.

When Russia entered the Syrian war zone, there were already Turkish and Israeli forces which supported "the world’s most notorious terrorist

organizations," the US Marine combat veteran pointed out, adding that the grim irony of the situation is that US prominent policy makers are now openly calling for arming jihadi thugs.

Doesn't it seem odd that since 2001, there has been no movement, no publication to challenge the official narrative in the United States?

Indeed, even before 9/11 then-US President George W. Bush started to crack down on his political opponents silencing alternative media narrative, Duff reminded.

"This is how the nightmare started and why the runaway cart steered by John McCain and many others has been allowed to ramble on," he highlighted.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028425069/us-beating-drums-over-russian-airstrikes-syria.html#ixzz3oNVzRJZI

max steel wrote:

jhelb wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Zero meter above the ground level (AGL).

Morpheus,

Any idea why Russia is using both Su 24 and Su 25 in Syria? IMO Su 25 ( backed by Su 30SM) is more than enough.