Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

Meh. There are millions of insurgent positions in Idlib alone. At this rate, 10 years from now the Russian air force would still be bombing over Idlib.

meehh, since when its the target to hit everyone of them? you only hit strongpoints if your ally is advancing to clear his way out or arms depots which cant be replaced fast enough on the front, nobody is wasting a bomb on 2 goatfuckers standing somewere with a 2 AK's, thats not the point of this bombing raid's, a war is only supported from the air but its always won on the ground


but overall they should start to use ther strikes more liberally in towns, and if they dont want to risk to much blame on themselfs then get RBK-500's to syrian air force

NationalRus wrote:

Meh. There are millions of insurgent positions in Idlib alone. At this rate, 10 years from now the Russian air force would still be bombing over Idlib.

meehh, since when its the target to hit everyone of them? you only hit strongpoints if your ally is advancing to clear his way out or arms depots which cant be replaced fast enough on the front, nobody is wasting a bomb on 2 goatfuckers standing somewere with a 2 AK's, thats not the point of this bombing raid's


but overall they should start to use ther strikes more liberally in towns, and if they dont want to risk to much blame on themselfs then get RBK-500's to syrian air force

I'll repeat it, I like the way you think. Like a WASP lusts after Chollos' ways.

Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

Good point. When Medvedev went to the US, did they receive him? No. So Russia should have returned the favor.

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

Yes, because every single person in Saudi Arabia thinks like the royal scum. Your stupidity is really astonishing.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

saudi arabia should be split up.

hashemite areas to jordan in the north west
areas to southern Iraq / shia areas
areas to yemen in the south
areas to Oman in south east

the "rump" in the riyadh area should be "contained".

ultron wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russian airstrikes in Syria 'redrawing battlefield lines', sending ISIS fleeing (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/news/319054-syria-airstrikes-targets-hit/

Meh. There are millions of insurgent positions in Idlib alone. At this rate, 10 years from now the Russian air force would still be bombing over Idlib.

One of the bigger problems is the TOW missiles, they are taking a huge toll on the SAA, there has to be some strategy against that.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

Yes, because every single person in Saudi Arabia thinks like the royal scum. Your stupidity is really astonishing.

Where did I say that? I said there is no organized opposition that can take place of the House of Saud OTHER THAN the Hashemites. This is an obvious fact.

You call yourself a rational thinker yet you can't comprehend simple written sentences. Shame on you!

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

What about splitting it between Russia, China and Iran and force "native" Saudis to work hardest jobs in oilfields and mines for a change, i mean thats what they are doing atm with everyone who is not Saudi. Indian workers sleep in toilet sized rooms, often they even get locked there after shifts so they do not "make city look bad" with their appearance, and no i did not make this up you can find articles regarding this.

I have great feeling that Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Qatar and such countries will just go back to Middle Ages after oil goes dry. I dont think tourism will manage to compensate amounts of money for the needs of those nutheads. And its well known that Saudis had under 400 technical patents since 1976. and for an example South Korea had 85.000 in same period, they are incompetent for anything but buying expencive cars it seems.

par far wrote:

ultron wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russian airstrikes in Syria 'redrawing battlefield lines', sending ISIS fleeing (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/news/319054-syria-airstrikes-targets-hit/

Meh. There are millions of insurgent positions in Idlib alone. At this rate, 10 years from now the Russian air force would still be bombing over Idlib.

One of the bigger problems is the TOW missiles, they are taking a huge toll on the SAA, there has to be some strategy against that.

Scout and hit, scout and hit, not zerging frontline with tanks and IFVs that is the strategy. And more infantry, you need 20 men per tank to protect it properly at least, thats why fusion in armored corps exist where 1 tank is followed by 1 or 2 infantry armored vehicles depending on country its IFV/Heavy APC/APC. Infantry needs to work together with tanks and IFVs, on most of the videos here you cant spot infantry at all.

TOW teams cant do anything if UAVs/infantry see and harras them with mortars or even small arms if ranges are short. Also use of some fast tracked vehicles as recon platforms would be good idea, thats the reason why M1127 in US exist. Its very fast and agile, can be used to "provoke" enemy to fire upon you and then they are fried by your mortar, artillery or whatever you have at disposal.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

ultron wrote:Russia will hold a tripartite meeting with the US and Saudi Arabia to negotiate Syria over the next few days.

Russia shouldn't negotiate with Terrorists. Those terrorists made their moves now Russia has to support Yemen and anyone willing to destroy Saudi shit of Arabia along with any other country that supports terrorism (Turkey support to PKK, Israel support to Hezbolla, Qatar, Kuwait  and what other shit regimes there are support who needs to be supported or just focus on Turkey, Saudis and Israel and see how rest crumbles.

SO who should rule Saudi Arabia? Hashemites? It's either the Sauds or the Hashemites, there is no viable political force that can take place of the House of Saud (there is no political force at all... not to mention a viable one!).

Yes, because every single person in Saudi Arabia thinks like the royal scum. Your stupidity is really astonishing.

Where did I say that? I said there is no organized opposition that can take place of the House of Saud OTHER THAN the Hashemites. This is an obvious fact.

You call yourself a rational thinker yet you can't comprehend simple written sentences. Shame on you!

Rationality is what splits your mind on constant basis. Any oppossition can be formed, but you can't see that for someone who believes Americans do not occupy germany certainly also can not see color revolutions and other technologies of geopolitics. I have seen here some crazy people but you are certainly one that sets levels i thought couldn't exist.

To form an opposition you must first prove that there is enough people with pro-secular sympathies to actually form a viable political party - 20% will do. It makes no sense to topple the Islamist regime in KSA just to replace it with another Islamist regime.

There was a communist party in KSA but it was nearly 100% Shia.

par far wrote:..............................................

One of the bigger problems is the TOW missiles, they are taking a huge toll on the SAA, there has to be some strategy against that.

There is, Syrian grunts should start doing their jobs and clear out TOW crews before armor can advance...

Better ask Russians for Shtora-M and Arena-Es for Syrian T-72s.

The best strategy woudl be of course to have drones hovering over the attacked area, iluminating the targets with laser and then firing Krasnopol-Ms into suspected ATGM sited. All accompanied with T-72s and BMP-2s with Shtora and Arena.

Militarov wrote:////////////////////////////

Congratulations on reaching rank of Colonel Militarov!!!

You started on 02.09.2015, that is just month and a half, must be some kind of record!!!

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Better ask Russians for Shtora-M and Arena-Es for Syrian T-72s.

The best strategy woudl be of course to have drones hovering over the attacked area, iluminating the targets with laser and then firing Krasnopol-Ms into suspected ATGM sited. All accompanied with T-72s and BMP-2s with Shtora and Arena.

Shtora and Arena are nice addition, however you cant expect them to save you every time, APS is kinda your last line of defence aganist ATGMs, well at least Arena is, Shtora is somewhat of constant protective suite. But if you allow being shot at 4-5 times a day with TOW/RPG statistic says you will end up being destroyed anyways, infantry has to protect tanks no matter what kind of APS/EW system you have.

Mechanised/cavalary infantry exists with that reason, to aid mechanised and armored units in advance and clear AT threats as best as they can. You will never clear them all naturally.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:////////////////////////////

Congratulations on reaching rank of Colonel Militarov!!!

You started on 02.09.2015, that is just month and a half, must be some kind of record!!!

I did not even notice

Ty

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Better ask Russians for Shtora-M and Arena-Es for Syrian T-72s.

The best strategy woudl be of course to have drones hovering over the attacked area, iluminating the targets with laser and then firing Krasnopol-Ms into suspected ATGM sited. All accompanied with T-72s and BMP-2s with Shtora and Arena.

No need for Krasnopol, its quite expencive for something like that coz you would end up firing 100 or more per day. Simple mortars can do that, especially light ones 60mm would prove of value coz you can easily transport them in first line and is all you need in most cases. But if you want some smart ammunition you can always get KM8 GRAN 120mm mortar system.
FOR 120 ММ MORTARS



KBP info on it: http://www.kbptula.ru/en/productions/artillery-guided-weapon-systems/gran

How does SAA do in combined arms operations?

During the 1973 war Israel used countered the threat of Egyptian AT-3s by having snipers take out ATGM operators - the issue is that early 1970s ATGMs had an effective range of ca. 1.5km while TOW has effective range of 3.5-4 km (depending on the variant), well out of range of small arms.

My ideas:
1. MORE ERA PLATES
2. Drones with FLIR + Krasnopol-Ms (or guided mortar shells)
3. Mi-28s and KA-50s with FLIR and air-to-ground missiles
4. Shtora-M + Arena-E
5. Maybe it's time to get new tanks and BMPS...?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How does SAA do in combined arms operations?

During the 1973 war Israel used countered the threat of Egyptian AT-3s by having snipers take out ATGM operators - the issue is that early 1970s ATGMs had an effective range of ca. 1.5km while TOW has effective range of 3.5-4 km (depending on the variant), well out of range of small arms.

My ideas:
1. MORE ERA PLATES
2. Drones with FLIR + Krasnopol-Ms (or guided mortar shells)
3. Mi-28s and KA-50s with FLIR and air-to-ground missiles
4. Shtora-M + Arena-E
5. Maybe it's time to get new tanks and BMPS...?

Most TOWs are fired at no more than 2 km because of sighting limitations. T-72 can engage targets in the indirect mode beyond 9 km using HE-FRAG which would take out TOWs without a problem. The key is to scout out TOW launchers on roofs and take them out from stand off ranges. TOW launchers are big and cumbersome and have to be placed on roofs where they are vulnerable to say large caliber sniper rifles.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How does SAA do in combined arms operations?

During the 1973 war Israel used countered the threat of Egyptian AT-3s by having snipers take out ATGM operators - the issue is that early 1970s ATGMs had an effective range of ca. 1.5km while TOW has effective range of 3.5-4 km (depending on the variant), well out of range of small arms.

My ideas:
1. MORE ERA PLATES
2. Drones with FLIR + Krasnopol-Ms (or guided mortar shells)
3. Mi-28s and KA-50s with FLIR and air-to-ground missiles
4. Shtora-M + Arena-E
5. Maybe it's time to get new tanks and BMPS...?

However all the videos we have seen TOWs were launched from far shorter ranges, i suppose up to 2,5km tops they are still in range for many weapons that infantry has on disposal. AGS 30 around 2000m, cannon 2A42 (BMP2) 4000m however lets say 3km is not much of an issue, 60mm mortar 3500m, 82mm mortar 4200m, Konkurs/Metis/Kornet/Malyutka 4km/1000-2000m(M)/5500m/3km and similar, they are not always waiting on 4km range. New tanks are expencive, so are BMPS someone has to pay for that, you cant expect Russia to endlessly give stuff away for smiles.

120 mm mortars can shoot more than 7 km, more than TOW's sighting limitation of some 2 to 3 km. The problem is tactics. We are talking about the SAA which is one of the most stupid armies in the world. You know, the one that lost to Israel twice in a few days tops.

If it's the Russian army liberating Salma, it would take less than a week compared to more than 100 years that the SAA takes.