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    Post  F-15E Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:01 pm

    lol.

    Russia's Economy Has Shrunk So Much It's Now Almost The Same Size As Spain


    The decline in the price of oil, Western economic sanctions against the nation following its invasion of Ukraine, and the collapse of the Russian rouble that resulted, has decimated Russia's economy.

    Now Russian GDP has shrunk so much it is no longer the world's eighth largest economic power, according to The Telegraph. Instead, Putin's Russia is now carries roughly the same economic weight as ... Spain:

    Russia has lost its ranking as the world’s eighth biggest economy, shrinking in just nine months from a $2.1 trillion petro-giant to a mid-size player comparable with Korea or Spain.

    For the past several years, Spain has been regarded as one of Europe's more feeble economies, with 1 in 4 Spaniards unemployed. Spain's GDP was about $1.4 trillion in 2013, according to the World Bank.  Spain was the 13th biggest economy on the planet until Putin ordered tanks into the Crimea.

    Now it is likely that Italy, India, Canada, and Australia are all more economically significant than Russia. Here was the World Bank's GDP ranking for 2013, before Russia went into its current crisis. The numbers are in billions of US dollars:

    (European Union     17,350,853)
    1 United States     16,800,000
    2 China     9,240,270
    3 Japan     4,901,530
    4 Germany     3,634,823
    5 France     2,734,949
    6 UK       2,521,381
    7 Brazil     2,245,673
    8 Russia     2,096,777
    9 Italy      2,071,307
    10 India     1,876,797
    11 Canada     1,826,769
    12 Australia     1,560,597
    13 Spain     1,358,263
    14 S Korea     1,304,554
    15 Mexico     1,260,915

    It's not clear what Russia's GDP equivalent is right now because the decline of the rouble has been so swift and volatile that the calculation needs to be done anew every day. On Monday the rouble experienced its largest one-day flop since the 1998 Russian crisis.

    Of course, this may all be temporary. The price of oil has sunk to just above $68 a barrell (for WTI), dragging the oil-dependent Russian economy with it. If the price perks up, Russia can expect to make its way back up the GDP charts.



    http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-gdp-v-spain-2014-12?r=US
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:03 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Bailing out private entities is a no no in capitalism. This is precisely what EU got wrong.
    Isnt that what US did with AIG and GM? Bail them out? Proved stupid for them too.
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    Post  Firebird Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:09 pm

    F-15E wrote:lol.

    Russia's Economy Has Shrunk So Much It's Now Almost The Same Size As Spain


    The decline in the price of oil, Western economic sanctions against the nation following its invasion of Ukraine, and the collapse of the Russian rouble that resulted, has decimated Russia's economy.

    Now Russian GDP has shrunk so much it is no longer the world's eighth largest economic power, according to The Telegraph. Instead, Putin's Russia is now carries roughly the same economic weight as ... Spain:

    Russia has lost its ranking as the world’s eighth biggest economy, shrinking in just nine months from a $2.1 trillion petro-giant to a mid-size player comparable with Korea or Spain.

    For the past several years, Spain has been regarded as one of Europe's more feeble economies, with 1 in 4 Spaniards unemployed. Spain's GDP was about $1.4 trillion in 2013, according to the World Bank.  Spain was the 13th biggest economy on the planet until Putin ordered tanks into the Crimea.

    Now it is likely that Italy, India, Canada, and Australia are all more economically significant than Russia. Here was the World Bank's GDP ranking for 2013, before Russia went into its current crisis. The numbers are in billions of US dollars:

    (European Union     17,350,853)
    1 United States     16,800,000
    2 China     9,240,270
    3 Japan     4,901,530
    4 Germany     3,634,823
    5 France     2,734,949
    6 UK       2,521,381
    7 Brazil     2,245,673
    8 Russia     2,096,777
    9 Italy      2,071,307
    10 India     1,876,797
    11 Canada     1,826,769
    12 Australia     1,560,597
    13 Spain     1,358,263
    14 S Korea     1,304,554
    15 Mexico     1,260,915

    It's not clear what Russia's GDP equivalent is right now because the decline of the rouble has been so swift and volatile that the calculation needs to be done anew every day. On Monday the rouble experienced its largest one-day flop since the 1998 Russian crisis.

    Of course, this may all be temporary. The price of oil has sunk to just above $68 a barrell (for WTI), dragging the oil-dependent Russian economy with it. If the price perks up, Russia can expect to make its way back up the GDP charts.



    http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-gdp-v-spain-2014-12?r=US

    Unfortunately, you dont even know what GDP is. Let alone its meaning or lack of.
    Therefore, its rather pointless for you to discuss it.

    Looks like the asylum is missing one of its most valued idiots.
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    Post  Regular Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:00 am

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    Regular wrote:It's about time I buy Sfera helmet Very Happy

    If I were in your shoes I would hire out a mini-van and get on down to Kaliningrad for the weekend, and stock up on as much stuff as you can. It's a Black Friday mega-mega sale.

    Not just Russian products are cheap for now, but everything is; including imported home appliances, electronics and all the rest. But the prices are quickly rising, so get to it.
    Unfortunetly cars from Lithuania to K-grad are being hold up for very very long time, not just lorrys, but light transport too. It has something to do with our president and her mouth. Very Happy
    But Poles are literally flooding shops there.

    I tried to negotiate with the guy who is selling Sfera. He want 30 percent more of original price Very Happy Haha and he prefers to take euros.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:22 am

    F-15E wrote:lol.

    Russia's Economy Has Shrunk So Much It's Now Almost The Same Size As Spain


    The decline in the price of oil, Western economic sanctions against the nation following its invasion of Ukraine, and the collapse of the Russian rouble that resulted, has decimated Russia's economy.

    Now Russian GDP has shrunk so much it is no longer the world's eighth largest economic power, according to The Telegraph. Instead, Putin's Russia is now carries roughly the same economic weight as ... Spain:

    Russia has lost its ranking as the world’s eighth biggest economy, shrinking in just nine months from a $2.1 trillion petro-giant to a mid-size player comparable with Korea or Spain.

    For the past several years, Spain has been regarded as one of Europe's more feeble economies, with 1 in 4 Spaniards unemployed. Spain's GDP was about $1.4 trillion in 2013, according to the World Bank.  Spain was the 13th biggest economy on the planet until Putin ordered tanks into the Crimea.

    Now it is likely that Italy, India, Canada, and Australia are all more economically significant than Russia. Here was the World Bank's GDP ranking for 2013, before Russia went into its current crisis. The numbers are in billions of US dollars:

    (European Union     17,350,853)
    1 United States     16,800,000
    2 China     9,240,270
    3 Japan     4,901,530
    4 Germany     3,634,823
    5 France     2,734,949
    6 UK       2,521,381
    7 Brazil     2,245,673
    8 Russia     2,096,777
    9 Italy      2,071,307
    10 India     1,876,797
    11 Canada     1,826,769
    12 Australia     1,560,597
    13 Spain     1,358,263
    14 S Korea     1,304,554
    15 Mexico     1,260,915

    It's not clear what Russia's GDP equivalent is right now because the decline of the rouble has been so swift and volatile that the calculation needs to be done anew every day. On Monday the rouble experienced its largest one-day flop since the 1998 Russian crisis.

    Of course, this may all be temporary. The price of oil has sunk to just above $68 a barrell (for WTI), dragging the oil-dependent Russian economy with it. If the price perks up, Russia can expect to make its way back up the GDP charts.



    http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-gdp-v-spain-2014-12?r=US

    Lol. Telegraph knowing amything? Russian gdp growth so far this year is 0.6%. Impossible to say it shrunk if there is growth.

    But like firebird said, I doubt you know anything about this field.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:06 am

    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_6-t
    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_7-t

    Elvira Nabiullina (top photo), the head of the CBR is married to her former teacher,Yaroslav Kuzminov, now the head of the
    Higher School of Economics.

    The Higher School of Economics is a collection of monetarist monkeys who are Washington sycophants.

    Yep, the monetarist trail is there for all to see.
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:15 am

    kvs wrote:Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_6-t
    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_7-t

    Elvira Nabiullina (top photo), the head of the CBR is married to her former teacher,Yaroslav Kuzminov, now the head of the
    Higher School of Economics.

    The Higher School of Economics is a collection of monetarist monkeys who are Washington sycophants.  

    Yep, the monetarist trail is there for all to see.
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    Something needs to be done about this.
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:16 am

    kvs wrote:Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_6-t
    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Elvira-nabiullina_7-t

    Elvira Nabiullina (top photo), the head of the CBR is married to her former teacher,Yaroslav Kuzminov, now the head of the
    Higher School of Economics.

    The Higher School of Economics is a collection of monetarist monkeys who are Washington sycophants.  

    Yep, the monetarist trail is there for all to see.
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    Something needs to be done about this.

    Something needs to be done about this.
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:20 am

    Russia not fit to be part of international financial system – Cameron

    The combined effect produced by Western sanctions and low oil prices proves that there’s no place for Russia in the international financial system, believes British prime minister David Cameron, urging for more pressure on Moscow.

    “We should stand up very firmly against the Russian aggression that’s taking place,” Cameron said before the Parliament on Wednesday.

    The PM reminded that it’s the UK, which “led the way in Europe in making sure there were sanctions” imposed against Russia over its 'annexation' of Crimea in March and Moscow’s alleged involvement in the Ukrainian crisis.

    “And what the combination of the lower oil price and the sanctions are showing that I think it isn’t possible for Russia to be part of the international financial system, but try and opt out of the rules-based international legal system,” Cameron said.

    “We should keep up the pressure,” the head of the British government added, agreeing that “in this respect the interests of the United Kingdom and democracy do go together.”

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:26 am

    Austin wrote:Russia not fit to be part of international financial system – Cameron

    The combined effect produced by Western sanctions and low oil prices proves that there’s no place for Russia in the international financial system, believes British prime minister David Cameron, urging for more pressure on Moscow.

    “We should stand up very firmly against the Russian aggression that’s taking place,” Cameron said before the Parliament on Wednesday.

    The PM reminded that it’s the UK, which “led the way in Europe in making sure there were sanctions” imposed against Russia over its 'annexation' of Crimea in March and Moscow’s alleged involvement in the Ukrainian crisis.

    “And what the combination of the lower oil price and the sanctions are showing that I think it isn’t possible for Russia to be part of the international financial system, but try and opt out of the rules-based international legal system,” Cameron said.

    “We should keep up the pressure,” the head of the British government added, agreeing that “in this respect the interests of the United Kingdom and democracy do go together.”


    Yeah, have fun Cameron. Your popularity is already low as it is. That said, being part of "international financial system" is a running joke because China is now the largest lender to the world, and BRICS will still end up leading the way.

    That said:
    IMF Now Ready To Slam The Door On The U.S. And The Dollar
    As I write this, the news is saturated with stories of a hostage situation possibly involving Islamic militants in Sydney, Australia. Like many, I am concerned about the shockwave such an event will create through our sociopolitical structures. However, while most of the world will be distracted by the outcome of this crisis (for good or bad) for at least the week, I find I must concern myself with a far more important and dangerous situation.

    Up to 40 people may be held by a supposed extremist in Sydney, but the entire world is currently being held hostage economically by international banks. This is the crisis no one in the mainstream is talking about, so alternative analysts must.

    As I predicted last month in “We Have Just Witnessed The Last Gasp Of The Global Economy,” severe volatility is now returning to global markets after the pre-game 10 percent drop in equities in October hinted at what was to come.

    And looks like China may be bailing out the Ruble:
    China Prepares To Bailout Russia
    Earlier this evening China's State Administration of Foreign Exchange's (SAFE) Wang Yungui noted "the impact of the Russian Ruble depreciation was unclear yet, and, as Bloomberg reported, "SAFE is closely watching Ruble's depreciation and encouraging companies to hedge Ruble risks." His comments also echoed the ongoing FX reform agenda aimed at increasing Yuan flexibility which The South China Morning Post then hinted in a story entitled "Russia may seek China help to deal with crisis," which which noted that Russia could fall back on its 150 billion yuan ($24 billion) currency swap agreement with China if the ruble continues to plunge, that was signed in October. Furthermore, two bankers close to the PBOC reportedly said the swap-line was meant to reduce the role of the US dollar if China and Russia need to help each other overcome a liquidity squeeze.

    If China gives the 15B Yuans, it will be used as liquidity for the Ruble which will shoot up its value unless US continues to fight against it, which at that point, will give further indication to the world of US dirty tactics. But if IMF is ready to close the door on the Dollar and US financial system, then this can come back and bite them in the butt.
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:50 am

    I doubt the Chinese News and Russia does not need any immediate bailout or liquidity that news is just FUD trying to create panic that Russian market will collapse due to lack of liquidity.

    I think with current reserves the Russian market will do well atleast for next 2 years without external help. JMT
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:51 am

    Financial Market Manipulation Is The New Trend: Can It Continue?

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/17/financial-market-manipulation-new-trend-can-continue/


    Financial Market Manipulation Is The New Trend: Can It Continue?
    Financial Imperialists Attack Russia

    Paul Craig Roberts

    A dangerous new trend is the successful manipulation of the financial markets by the Federal Reserve, other central banks, private banks, and the US Treasury. The Federal Reserve reduced real interest rates on US government debt obligations first to zero and then pushed real interest rates into negative territory. Today the government charges you for the privilege of purchasing its bonds.

    People pay to park their money in Treasury debt obligations, because they do not trust the banks and they know that the government can print the money to pay off the bonds. Today Treasury bond investors pay a fee in order to guarantee that they will receive the nominal face value (minus the fee) of their investment in government debt instruments.

    The fee is paid in a premium, which raises the cost of the debt instrument above its face value and is paid again in accepting a negative rate of return, as the interest rate is less than the inflation rate.

    Think about this for a minute. Allegedly the US is experiencing economic recovery. Normally with rising economic activity interest rates rise as consumers and investors bid for credit. But not in this “recovery.”

    Normally an economic recovery produces rising consumer spending, rising profits, and more investment. But what we experience is flat and declining consumer spending as jobs are offshored and retail stores close. Profits result from labor cost savings from employee layoffs.

    The stock market is high because corporations are the biggest purchases of stock. Buying back their own stock supports or raises the share price, enabling executives and boards to sell their shares or cash in their options at a profitable price. The cash that Quantitative Easing has given to the mega-banks leaves ample room for speculating in stocks, thus pushing up the price despite the absence of fundamentals that would support a rising stock market.

    In other words, in America today there are no free financial markets. The markets are rigged by the Federal Reserve’s Quantitative Easing, by gold price manipulation, by the Treasury’s Plunge Protection Team and Exchange Stabilization Fund, and by the big private banks.

    Allegedly, QE is over, but it is not. The Fed intends to roll over the interest and principle from its bloated $4.5 trillion bond portfolio into purchases of more bonds, and the banks intend to fill in the gaps by using the $2.6 trillion in their cash on deposit with the Fed to purchase bonds. QE has morphed, not ended. The money the Fed paid the banks for bonds will now be used by the banks to support the bond price by purchasing bonds.

    Normally when massive amounts of debt and money are created the currency collapses, but the dollar has been strengthening. The dollar gains strength from the
    rigging of the gold price in the futures market. The Federal Reserve’s agents, the bullion banks, print paper futures contracts representing many tonnes of gold and dump them them into the market during periods of light or nonexistent trading. This drives down the gold price despite rising demand for the physical metal. This manipulation is done in order to counteract the effect of the expansion of money and debt on the dollar’s exchange value. A declining dollar price of gold makes the dollar look strong.

    The dollar also gains the appearance of strength from debt monetization by the Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank. The Bank of Japan’s Quantitative Easing program is even larger than the Fed’s. Even Switzerland is rigging the price of the Swiss franc. Since all currencies are inflating, the dollar does not decline in exchange value.

    As Japan is Washington’s vassal, it is conceivable that some of the money being printed by the Bank of Japan will be used to purchase US Treasuries, thus taking the place along with purchases by the large US banks of the Fed’s QE.

    The large private US and UK banks are also manipulating markets hand over fist. Remember the scandal over the banks fixing the LIBOR rate (the London Interbank Borrowing Rate) and the opening gold price on the London exchange. Now the banks have been caught rigging currency markets with algorithms developed to manipulate foreign exchange markets.

    When the banks get caught in felonies, they avoid prosecution by paying a fine. You try doing that.

    The government even manipulates economic statistics in order to paint a rosy economic picture that sustains economic confidence. GDP growth is exaggerated by understating inflation. High unemployment is swept under the table by not counting discouraged workers as unemployed. We are told we are enjoying economic recovery and have an improving housing market. Yet the facts are that almost half of 25 year old Americans have been forced to return to live with their parents, and 30% of 30 year olds are back with their parents. Since 2006 the home ownership rate of 30 year old Americans has collapsed.
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    The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act during the Clinton regime allowed the big banks to gamble with their depositors’ money. The Dodd-Frank Act tried to stop some of this by requiring the banks-turned-gambling-casinos to carry on their gambling in subsidiaries with no access to deposits in the depository institution. If the banks gamble with depositors money, the banks’ losses are covered by FDIC, and in the case of bank failure, bail-in provisions could give the banks access to depositors’ funds. With the banks still protected by being “too big to fail,” whether Dodd-Frank would succeed in protecting depositors when a subsidiary’s failure pulls down the entire bank is unclear.

    The sharp practices in which banks engage today are risky. Why gamble with their own money if they can gamble with depositors’ money. The banks led by Citigroup have lobbied hard to overturn the provision in Dodd-Frank that puts depositors’ money out of their reach as backup for certain types of troubled financial instruments, with apparently only Senator Elizabeth Warren and a few others opposing them. Senator Warren is outgunned as Citigroup controls the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve.

    The falling oil price has brought concern that oil derivatives are in jeopardy. Citigroup has a provision in the omnibus appropriations bill that shifts the liability for Citigroup’s credit default swaps to depositors and taxpayers. It was only six years ago that Citigroup was bailed out to the tune of a half trillion dollars. Already Citigroup is back for more while nothing whatsoever is done to bail the American people out of their hardships caused by Citigroup and the other financial gangsters.

    What we are experiencing is not a repeat of the past. The ability or, rather, the audacity of the US government itself to manipulate the major financial markets is new. Can this new trend continue? The government is supposed to be the enforcer of laws against market manipulation but is itself manipulating the markets.

    Governments and economists take their hats off to free markets. Yet, the markets are rigged, not free. How long can stocks stay up in a lackluster or declining economy? How long can bonds pay negative real interest rates when debt and money are rising. How long can bullion prices be manipulated down when the world’s demand for gold exceeds the annual production?

    For as long as governments and banks can rig the markets.

    The manipulations are dangerous. Manipulations blow a bigger bubble economy, and manipulations are now being used by Washington as an act of war by driving down the exchange value of the Russian ruble.

    If every time the stock market tries to correct and adjust to the real economic situation, the plunge protection team or some government “stabilization” entity stops the correction by purchasing S&P futures, unrealistic values are perpetuated.

    The price of gold is not determined in the physical market but in the futures market where contracts are settled in cash. If every time the demand for gold pushes up the price, the Federal Reserve or its bullion bank agents dump massive amounts of uncovered futures contracts in the futures market and drive down the price of gold, the result is to subsidize the gold purchases of Russia, China, and India. The artificially low gold price also artificially inflates the value of the US dollar.

    The Federal Reserve’s manipulation of the bond market has driven bond prices so high that purchasers receive a zero or negative return on their investment. At the present time fear of the safety of bank deposits makes people willing to pay a fee in order to have the protection of the government’s ability to print money in order to redeem its bonds. A number of events could end the tolerance of zero or negative real interest rates. The Federal Reserve’s policy has the bond market positioned for collapse.

    The US government, perhaps surprised at the ease at which all financial markets can be rigged, is now rigging, or permitting large hedge funds and perhaps George Soros, to drive down the exchange value of the Russian ruble by massive short-selling in the currency market. On December 15 the ruble was driven down 19%.

    Just as there is no economic reason for the price of gold to decline in the futures market when the demand for physical gold is rising, there is no economic reason for the ruble to suddenly loose much of its exchange value. Unlike the US, which has a massive trade deficit, Russia has a trade surplus. Unlike the US economy, the Russian economy has not been offshored. Russia has just completed large energy and trade deals with China, Turkey, and India.

    If economic forces were determining outcomes, it would be the dollar that is losing exchange value, not the ruble.

    The illegal economic sanctions that Washington has decreed on Russia appear to be doing more harm to Europe and US energy companies than to Russia. The impact on
    Russia of the American attack on the ruble is unclear, as the suppression of the ruble’s value is artificial.

    There is a difference between economic factors causing foreign investors to withdraw their capital from a country, thereby causing the currency to lose value, and manipulation of a currency’s value by heavy short-selling in the currency market. The latter can cause the former also to occur. But the outcome for Russia can be positive.

    No country dependent on foreign capital is sovereign. A country dependent on foreign capital, especially from enemies seeking to subvert the economy, is subject to destabilizing currency and economic swings. Russia should self-finance. If Russia needs foreign capital, Russia should turn to its ally China. China has a stake in Russia’s strength as part of China’s protection from US aggression, whether economic or military.

    The American attack on the ruble is also teaching sovereign governments that are not US vassals the extreme cost of allowing their currencies to trade in currency markets dominated by the US. China should think twice before it allows full convertibility of its currency. Of course, the Chinese have a lot of dollar assets with which to defend their currency from attack, and the sale of the assets and use of the dollar proceeds to support the yuan could knock down the dollar’s exchange value and US bond prices and cause US interest rates and inflation to rise. Still, considering the gangster nature of financial markets in which the US is the heavy player, a country that permits free trading of its currency sets itself up for trouble.

    The greatest harm that is being done to the Russian economy is not due to sanctions and the US attack on the ruble. The greatest harm is being done by Russia’s neoliberal economists.

    Neoliberal economics is not merely incorrect. It is an ideology that fosters US economic imperialism. By following neoliberal prescriptions, Russian economists are helping Washington’s attack on the Russian economy.

    Apparently, Putin has been sold, along with his internal enemies, the Atlanticist integrationists, on “free trade globalism.” Globalism destroys the sovereignty of every country except the world reserve currency country that controls the system.

    As Michael Hudson has shown, neoliberal economics is “junk economics.” But it is also a tool of American financial imperialism, and this makes neoliberal Russian economists tools of American imperialism.

    The remaining sovereign countries, which excludes all of Europe, are slowly learning that Western economic institutions are deceptive and that placing trust in them is a threat to national sovereignty.

    Washington intends to subvert Russia and to turn Russia into a vassal state like Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, the UK and Ukraine. If Russia is to survive, Putin must protect Russia from Western economic institutions and Western trained economists.

    It is too risky for the US to take on Russia militarily. Instead, Washington is using its unique symbiotic relationship with Western financial institutions to attack an incautious Russia that foolishly opened herself to Western financial predation.

    Note: The winter issue of Gerald Celente’s Trends Journal identifies financial market manipulation as a Top Trend for 2015.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:11 am

    sepheronx wrote:Ok, what about electronics. By anychance, would you be able to get a MCST powered PC for me? Like the monocube? Or anything with the Elbrus 4C in it? I would definately like one. Ill be trying to order the loongfei processor so I want a Russian one as well.

    Sure - but again, tell me where to buy one; as I have no idea. And have you thought about shipping/delivery? Check first to see if the manufacturer does international deliveries; and if not then check to see if there are any distributors that sell it and are willing to deliver it internationally. If not, then and only then would it be worth getting it through an intermediary like me - you don't have to pay me or anything; but it will still end up cheaper & less of a hastle for you if you order it from the manufacturer or an actual distributor.

    GarryB wrote:
    I'm working right now on a mega-list of Russian consumer goods producers

    Thanks that would be appreciated.

    Out of those companies on the list, some will do international deliveries to end-customers, and some won't. Some won't deliver directly to customers at all, and will only accept wholesale orders for large quantities at once, or sell their products exclusively through authorized distributors.

    So while that list will be useful for a lot of things, another list that would come in handy for people from abroad who want to order stuff from Russia - would be a list of all retailers and distributors who ship abroad. I have enough on my plate with the current list, but maybe somebody else wants to take up the challenge?
    You'll want to avoid though the specialized companies that deal with exports of certain Russian products abroad - because they typically price the goods in foreign currencies like the Dollar or Euro Smile

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    Regular wrote:It's about time I buy Sfera helmet Very Happy

    If I were in your shoes I would hire out a mini-van and get on down to Kaliningrad for the weekend, and stock up on as much stuff as you can. It's a Black Friday mega-mega sale.

    Not just Russian products are cheap for now, but everything is; including imported home appliances, electronics and all the rest. But the prices are quickly rising, so get to it.
    Unfortunetly cars from Lithuania to K-grad are being hold up for very very long time, not just lorrys, but light transport too. It has something to do with our president and her mouth. Very Happy
    But Poles are literally flooding shops there.

    I tried to negotiate with the guy who is selling Sfera. He want 30 percent more of original price Very Happy Haha and he prefers to take euros.

    Hmm maybe you can enter Kaliningrad from Poland then?
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:37 pm

    [quote="Firebird"][quote="F-15E"]lol.

    Russia's Economy Has Shrunk So Much It's Now Almost The Same Size As Spain


    The decline in the price of oil, Western economic sanctions against the nation following its invasion of Ukraine, and the collapse of the Russian rouble that resulted, has decimated Russia's economy.


    Basically he commit the same mistakes ,that every TROLL makes is substracting the price
    difference of the Ruble vs Dollar from the Russian GDP. Because that assume that Russian earned
    Rubles will be invested in American and European products only. and thats not the case. Most people that are not rich will not touch western products.  He also ignores that Russia energy is sold to europe in dollars.. not Rubles. lol   Is even the other way.. because When Russia change their earned dollars to Rubles.. they receive a bigger profit. Someone even mentioned ,that the weaker Ruble ,plus the increase in oil sales ,have helped Russia to minimize the damage in lower oil price.

    In other news.. for the people that where believing that the Russian Central bank was conspiring
    against Russia and Putin.. take a look at what Putin told in his latest conference. it should put an end to all the conspiracies theories.. of a Central bank controlled by western bankers.

    Russia central bank is taking the correct measures to boost the economy.... Putin


    Hopefully someone will post that video in Vinesaker blog.. in big..so that they stop interviewing
    so called "experts" in economy and central bank. Im still waiting at the so called "Coup to overthrow Putin" in ST peterburg elections ,that i was predicting it was non sense BS. that one Russian lawnmaker popular for hysteria about the future was saying will happen.

    it was even suggested that Central Bank did not listened putin and ignored his call for a new payment system.. which was a biggest lie. told by so called "Experts" economist. i see news all the time of Russia central bank progress testing the new payment system. Even the former economist of Putin. kudrin. which Putin called the best economist in the world and he mentioned he asked him to return. Told the Central bank decisions was the correct one.. in rising the interest rate to 17.

    About the RUble vs dollar difference.. according to the super Stacey of Max keiser program
    wrote in youtube that the RUble recovered recently.. 26% in 26 hours.. and that BBC media was in pain.. lol  and have hold for severals hours at that price.. definitively they did something right.  SOme economist explained in forums.. that the strategy of Russia was very simple.. they simply let the ruble to free fall very fast.. and later they buy everything back very very cheap .

    Perhaps this now is my opinion is to get rid of the speculators that buy and sell and buy back and sell.  the economist told.. that The more difficult is to buy rubles ,the higher its price. (because people hold them)  and this is basically what happened.. Russia Central bank apparently tricked the west of being without resources to stabilize the ruble and let it fall , and then [bang] they buy back very very cheap ,removing the RUble from any speculator hands.

    He told that there will be slow down economy next year.. but that it will be short.. if they maintain the ruble stable and improving it.

    Something interesting also Putin told on his interview..when asked about saudi arabia role in Russia economy.. he told that possibly US and saudi Arabia have an economic warfare against Russia.  so he exposed them in public. Smile


    I think Putin on his latest interview.. not only ended all the conspirations of a Central Bank
    that is betraying Putin and Russia. But also that he is Brilliant leader.. not an idiot.. as people were claiming.. for allowing Russia to be destroyed from the inside.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:03 pm

    More interesting comments..from RT forums this time from a chinese that was living in Russia until recently..


    "a Chinese Military official that lived in Russia  two days ago:

    "Russia has enough strength -- and it is very important to remember that the west doesn't quite understand how Russians are . They are able to withstand this assault from certain western powers and rather than abandon their leadership - as the west hopes from the effects on the economy -- Russians see it as an assault and threat to Russia ITSELF and on them....and in fact STRENGTHEN their UNITY -- I have never in fact observed Russians MORE UNITED than in this time -- even more united than under the USSR or after its collapse  and are more determined to find ways through the crisis. there are countries that are more vulnerable that will collapse FIRST before Russia even begins to feel more severe effects and then begins to recover with its new adjustments"."  

    and another.. Smile

    Chariman of Franc'es TOTAL said just now in CCTV China news -- "Companies must have HIGH oil prices to maintain and continue exploration, development and production of oil -- otherwise they can not invest which leads to -- once again Higher oil prices -- so the low oil prices can not last...especially as oil production becomes more and more expensive as the world depletes deposits while other forms of extraction, off-shore, deep water, fracking, sand become even more expensive and less profitable while they quickly dry up-- at the very least High oil Prices will stay until 2030 or even 2050".... CONCLUSION -- RUSSIA still wins. wrote:
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:20 pm

    ...A bit off topic but this has to be the photobomb of the year... lol1

    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 B5ImLS_IUAEvlx9

    ...it was taken at the recent Putin Q&A.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:43 pm

    Like I said the Central Bank aren't traitors, and Russia's economists have thought up of more than enough smart moves; buying up gold with US dollars, full-proofing loans to the Ukraine, that bond scheme with Yanukovich where Russia buys Ukrainian bonds for cheap and then they increase in value, and now the buying up rouble thing while cheap - if true.

    But at the same time Russia's economy has hardly been a blistering performer even before the crisis. Burning through reserves to stabilize the rouble in 2013/2014, capital flight (not that this is an accurate measure of anything, but nontheless worrying), slow-down of growth, underperforming stock market, and the rouble slide which has been ongoing for some time with few smart solutions thought up of over all this time.
    The Central Bank is not responsible for most of this - but at the same time, it could have done more - that's its job.

    Maybe they've found a counter-measure to the roubles free-fall; and that's all well and good - but a good amount of damage has already been done. Investor faith has been shaken, talk of a new economic crisis is constantly on everyone's lips (although it's not really a crisis - as much as it's a war), people have started to convert their roubles into either foreign currency or physical assets, etc...
    So I personally would like to see some heads rolling over all this, it would reassure everyone to know that we have competent people in charge.

    Also, why didn't Russia anticipate Saudi Arabia increasing production? They could have formed a political-economic coalition with Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and some minor producers - that would have been able to completely negate increased Saudi production by decreasing their own. Of course - that would mean more profits for Saudi Arabia with less profits for everyone else; but spread over a large number of oil producers - the hit wouldn't have been too bad, and they'd still make more money by selling a little less for considerably more, than selling a little more for considerably less.
    But this is of course nothing to do with the Central Bank, but rather political complacency.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:27 pm

    The ruble devaluing is also an issue if people are stupid enough to run to some other currency. Russians were smarter by buying hard assets. Gold would have been a good one. But buying other currencies, especialy usd and euro, is propegating the issue.

    Maybe free floating the ruble wasnt such a good idea. Maybe tieing it to gold or something else would have been.

    The smartest move your government has made is in regards to business and enterprises. Pretty much giving more freedom to businesses and going down hard on state run organizations to do import substitution. Already I am reading up on a bunch of import substitutions already happening on industrial grade goods. I am looking forward to next year when tplatforms and alike come out with electronics for import substitution (probably why they got a license for arm production, since they seen this coming after they were blacklisted).
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    Post  Viktor Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:51 pm

    Nice article thumbsup


    Russia just averted financial meltdown (for now). And it cost nothing.

    “Extend and Pretend” reaches Moscow. Hey, it worked for Greece, didn’t it…?

    Russia just saved its currency and its banks–or, more precisely, gave them a stay of execution.

    No, it didn’t throw a hatful of hard currency at them. No, it didn’t say it would inject more capital into them (at least not till next year). What it did was to suspend (or, for the cynics, abandon) pretty much all the prudential standards that define whether or not they’re solvent. In layman’s terms, it’s letting them pretend–for an unspecified period of time–that they’ll be repaid by the companies that have their money.

    Before we go any further, a lot of very respectable opinion says that relaxing prudential standards is exactly what you should do at a time of crisis, to stop the risks in a weak banking system from crystallizing all at once, and making things worse than they need to be. The case for doing so is all the stronger when you have good reason to think the crisis is likely to be short-lived, and that all you have is a liquidity crisis, rather than a solvency one. It’s an argument that the U.S. and Europe have been thrashing out ever since 2008.

    Russia thinks its crisis will be temporary, because it’s caused by an oil market that is currently overshooting in reaction to a supply shock and will, in time, return to a price level closer to the long-term average, one which will allow the economy to carry on as normal (albeit with a bit of belt-tightening). Hence the current liquidity squeeze on banks from panicked customers is just something that has to be ridden out. It’ll all be alright in the end.

    In this spirit, banks will no longer have to mark their bond portfolios to market prices. They can pretend their holdings are worth 100 cents on the dollar, rather than the 20 cents they’d get if forced to liquidate today. They’ll be able to book foreign currency loans at exchange rates that are three months out of date. Both measures reduce the amount of (ruble-denominated) capital that they have to hold to meet legal norms.

    It gets better. You can now transfer all of your foreign currency-denominated credit risk to the Central Bank, which will now accept FX claims on companies as collateral for loans in dollars. In other words, let the CBR worry about getting the money out of a Cyprus-based trading affiliate in the bankruptcy proceedings if the worst comes to the worst. Strictly speaking, the credit risk is not directly transferred as it would be under an outright sale, but the effect is much the same: you get the cash today, and we’ll worry about the loan quality another day.

    Banks will also be allowed to offer higher rates on deposits to encourage people to keep their money in the system. That breaks with the previous logic that banned super-elevated deposit rates because they’re normally the last resort of a bank that’s going under.

    But the pièce de résistance here is the very distillation of what debt crisis junkies call “Extend and Pretend.” Even if you have to restructure your loans, delaying repayment, changing their currency and cutting the interest rate, you still won’t have to change the risk-weighting you give to that loan (so you still won’t have to hold more capital against it).

    This gives state-backed companies (whose local-currency debts largely carry a zero risk-weighting under Basel III rules) carte blanche to default to domestic banks, because the lenders will be able to pretend nothing has happened (as regards holding capital against the loans).

    Loss recognition, be damned! President Vladimir Putin has often talked of his country’s pivot to China – here it is in glorious action.

    Another provision has much the same effect, suspending risk-weightings on loans to companies affected by sanctions. Heck, even if you do have to recognize a loss on a loan, the CBR will now give you two years, rather than one, to provision against it.

    As noted, this can all make a degree of sense on one basic assumption: the crisis is temporary, and your clients will actually stay in Russia and work out their problems honestly.

    History suggests, however, that many would rather just buy a one-way plane ticket to London and spend the rest of the money they owe you fighting against extradition.

    As so often when regulators take such measures, the wish is father to the thought. It’s a gamble and it may yet pay off–at least partially–if oil prices rebound. It will make it impossible for western banks to lend to any Russian bank, but then they had already stopped anyway, so little is lost in the short term.

    But if sanctions aren’t lifted, and the price of oil stabilizes next year around $60/barrel, then Moscow’s banking sector will look like something out of Michael Jackson’s Thriller video by next summer.


    https://fortune.com/2014/12/17/russia-just-averted-financial-meltdown-for-now-and-it-cost-nothing/

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    Post  Firebird Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:04 pm

    I think the big problem with assessing the Ru Central Bank is that few people really understand all aspects of it. I mean I trade currencies and I've read loads of books over the yrs. But I cant say I know much at all about the overall mechanics of the Ru market.

    Its really a specialism within a specialism... within another specialism.

    There certainly are some issues of 5th Columnism. And for the head of a Russian futures exchange to shake hands with John McPain is outrageous (UNLESS he's deep undercover Wink

    Putin is a pragmatist, a long term player, has the balls and has undiluted loyalty to his country.
    I dont always agree with him. And I cant blindly believe in everyone in Ru finance or the Kremlin, but I suspect he has various eventualities planned out.

    My guess is that in the not too long term Europe will want Russia back politically. America will have to accept that.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:21 pm

    Firebird wrote:I think the big problem with assessing the Ru Central Bank is that  few people really understand all aspects of it. I mean I trade currencies and I've read loads of books over the yrs. But I cant say I know much at all about the overall mechanics of the Ru market.

    Its really a specialism within a specialism... within another specialism.

    There certainly are some issues of 5th Columnism. And for the head of a Russian futures exchange to shake hands with John McPain is outrageous (UNLESS he's deep undercover Wink

    Putin is a pragmatist, a long term player, has the balls and has undiluted loyalty to his country.
    I dont always agree with him. And I cant blindly believe in everyone in Ru finance or the Kremlin, but I suspect he has various eventualities planned out.

    My guess is that in the not too long term Europe will want Russia back politically. America will have to accept that.

    This is basically an appeal to authority. It is rather clear that the CBR does not know what the inflation is in Russia.
    I would not trust any GDP price deflator it produces.
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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:14 am

    http://euanmearns.com/oil-price-scenarios-for-2015-and-2016/

    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 17 Supply_demand_model1

    The above supply-demand curve tells you all you need to know about the current price swing.
    We are in a supply constrained regime where the price sensitivity to supply is very large. This
    gives the steep slope in the price curve as a function of supply. So small variations in demand
    or supply can produce very large changes in price.

    Anyone who thinks that the current oil price drop is some long term "new order" is dreaming in
    technicolor while sleepwalking.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:38 am

    Firebird wrote:I think the big problem with assessing the Ru Central Bank is that  few people really understand all aspects of it. I mean I trade currencies and I've read loads of books over the yrs. But I cant say I know much at all about the overall mechanics of the Ru market.

    Its really a specialism within a specialism... within another specialism.

    There certainly are some issues of 5th Columnism. And for the head of a Russian futures exchange to shake hands with John McPain is outrageous (UNLESS he's deep undercover Wink

    Putin is a pragmatist, a long term player, has the balls and has undiluted loyalty to his country.
    I dont always agree with him. And I cant blindly believe in everyone in Ru finance or the Kremlin, but I suspect he has various eventualities planned out.

    My guess is that in the not too long term Europe will want Russia back politically. America will have to accept that.

    Indeed i will not be surprised ,if Putin have Undercover key people acting as 5th column in Russia.. only to see inside that world ..who is who.. and reveal agents from the west infiltrated
    deep inside of Russia. I remember one case of a Cuban spy working for Castro.. that pretended to be a 5th column for many years.. critisizing castro.. and trying to look as an anti government activist. But after decades doing the same and managing to infiltrate anti castro groups.. he helps the Cuban government to uncover a whole CIA operation and gets a medal by the castro government.. this happens all the time.. people that fake to be a 5th column activist.. Right now there is one American double agent doing the same.. pretending to be anti US government activist.. its name? SNOWDEN. What snowden reveals is nothing new for FSB services. My take is tha Snowden is a CIA experiment.. western Government media love to report about him..and see him as a hero... This alone should be extremely suspicious for anyone.. Wink IT was like wikileaks.. All jewish elite media in US loved him and posted every week in front page every "leak". But as soon he defect to Ecuador Embassy no longer they report about him.. Julian assange was used by western intelligences to spread disinformation.. carefully hidden with facts ..but it looks he got tired of his job and defected. Now Wikileaks is no longer news anymore in the west.. since defected to ecuador embassy. Wink
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    Post  Pirey Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:04 am

    Russia should use these 2 years for diverse its own economy. It should be done in recent years too, maybe its done a bit, but still that is not enough. 55% of the budget shouldn't be depend of the oil price.

    A sovereign state like Russia, oil price should't dictate the way and growth of its own economy and through shouldn't dictate the political maneuvering in geopolitical arena. This crash would come sooner or latter, hope its a lesson for the political elite there in Kremlin for the future.

    I doubt a bit if Russia will stand strong these upcoming years. 2015 will be year of low oil price. Maybe it will go down till 30$ of and that will be a very bad for russian people. Budget reserves will be spend on supporting ruble. Yes Russia has over 400 bln$ of it, and can push the ruble for 2 maybe 3 years but that is very bad for the whole society.

    Im maybe sounding pessimistic.
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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:12 am

    From Yesterdays Press Conference its quite clear that Central Bank Forex Reserves are different from Government fund which National Welfare Fund/Reserve Fund

    http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/23406


    In the first 10 months of this year, the gross domestic product grew by 0.7 percent, and the final figure may be around 0.6 percent.
    My colleagues and I met yesterday to finalise the figures. The trade surplus grew by $13.3 billion to reach $148.4 billion.

    Industrial production picked up some speed after last year’s lull. In the first 10 months of the year, it went up by 1.7 percent. Unemployment is also low: at times, it dropped to below 5 percent, and now it is around 5 percent, possibly 5.1 percent.

    The agroindustrial complex is developing. I believe that by the end of the year growth there will amount to 3.3 percent. As you may know, this year we had a record crop of 104 million tonnes.

    Despite the turbulent situation on the financial market, the federal budget this year will show a surprlus. In other words, revenue will exceed expenses by 1.2 trillion rubles [over $20 billion], which is about 1.9 percent of the GDP. The Finance Ministry is still working on the final calculations, but the surplus is definite.

    I would like to remind you that Central Bank reserves amount to $419 billion. The Central Bank does not intend to ‘burn’ them all senselessly, which is right. The Government reserve, the National Wealth Fund, the Reserve Fund have grown this year by about 2.4-2.5 trillion rubles to a total 8.4 trillion rubles.

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