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MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will deploy four additional Su-25 ground attack aircraft at the Kant airbase in Kyrgyzstan in 2014, Russia’s Central Military District said Monday.
zg18 wrote:MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will deploy four additional Su-25 ground attack aircraft at the Kant airbase in Kyrgyzstan in 2014, Russia’s Central Military District said Monday.
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140203/187169182/Russia-to-Deploy-More-Su-25-Combat-Planes-at-Kyrgyz-Airbase.html
Love the Frogfoot. Still a very capable aircraft even if a bit old and outdated.
MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA Novosti. Russian armed forces in 2014 will have to adopt the order of 300 new aircraft - twice as many as in 2013, said First Deputy Defense Minister Army General Arkady Bahini
GarryB wrote:Love the Frogfoot. Still a very capable aircraft even if a bit old and outdated.
The upgraded models should be able to carry a broad range of guided air to ground weapons including Hermes guided missiles in packs of 8 per pylon, and also satellite guided rockets and missiles and bombs.
With a Damocles pod they could be even more useful.
Thanks FP for that long answer. Though I'm not an expert myself (apart from what I've read on forums like this one, and other open source info), I'd say that it a flawed comparison. A proper one would be perhaps with another aircraft. Very true on the bolded part though (that's why I first stated that I like this particular aircraft).flamming_python wrote:It could be older than your grandpa, but it doesn't matter. You can't really say something's outdated, if it's as relevant in modern warfare as it's ever been and there's no better model in existence that's at efficient as doing the same job.
The Mosin-Nagant rifle was the bread-and-butter of the Russian/Soviet army for the better part of 5-6 decades with very little modification and yet no-one called it outdated until well into WW2 when advancements in infantry small-arms were progressing rapidly.
The AK design is still not outdated even today; with some small modifications now and again it has persisted for well over half a century; it's latest incarnation fulfills all the requirements of today's modern assault rifles.
It's really an accomplishment when a piece of engineering lasts so long; of course it's more common in simpler, smaller designs than large ones like aircraft - but even there we have another precedent; the Mi-24 which while now superceded by the Ka-52 & Mi-28; via its latest versions/modernisations is still as modern an attack helicopter as any other. And it has capabilities that no others do; such as being able to carry a full troop load or a bunch of ammo/missiles for its own rearmament in the field, meaning that it doesn't technically have to even return to base to re-arm. As such it's still essential for certain niches.
Viktor wrote:Nice
Bahini: air accidents in the Russian Air Force for the year was three times less РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140204/992962914.html#ixzz2sNXwLzV3
Interesting. We know that Russia received 78 new aircraft during 2013 and now story goes that it received 150 (so I gues 72 where modernized or put back in operations)
During 2014 that number tends to rise all the way to 300. Anyone has some more insight.
Military Russian fleet replenished every year increasingly
MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA Novosti. Russian armed forces in 2014 will have to adopt the order of 300 new aircraft - twice as many as in 2013, said First Deputy Defense Minister Army General Arkady Bahini
flamming_python wrote:It could be older than your grandpa, but it doesn't matter. You can't really say something's outdated, if it's as relevant in modern warfare as it's ever been and there's no better model in existence that's at efficient as doing the same job.
The Mosin-Nagant rifle was the bread-and-butter of the Russian/Soviet army for the better part of 5-6 decades with very little modification and yet no-one called it outdated until well into WW2 when advancements in infantry small-arms were progressing rapidly.
The AK design is still not outdated even today; with some small modifications now and again it has persisted for well over half a century; it's latest incarnation fulfills all the requirements of today's modern assault rifles.
It's really an accomplishment when a piece of engineering lasts so long; of course it's more common in simpler, smaller designs than large ones like aircraft - but even there we have another precedent; the Mi-24 which while now superceded by the Ka-52 & Mi-28; via its latest versions/modernisations is still as modern an attack helicopter as any other. And it has capabilities that no others do; such as being able to carry a full troop load or a bunch of ammo/missiles for its own rearmament in the field, meaning that it doesn't technically have to even return to base to re-arm. As such it's still essential for certain niches.
too much complication of added machinery and ofc. weight.Werewolf wrote:
Actually since the Mi-24 cargo room was most of the time and is still used most of the time just for additional ammunition for the helicopter, i thaught why not installing a mechanism for rearming the weapons.
Empty weapons on pylons are forced inside the cargo room via a track and inside new B-8B20 NUR pods are reloaded and forced into their normal position via the same track.
No time wasted to land and taking 15 minutes to reload the NUR rockets.
Very important aircraft, and for the vast airspace of Russia, AWACS are very important.
Sorry GarryB, missed your post.
Yes definitely. I wish our government went that way...sadly our Froogfoots are left to rust...
A proper one would be perhaps with another aircraft.
In a modern environment the Su-25, hell even the SM, are absolutely outdated, even if they can still be very useful.
Actually since the Mi-24 cargo room was most of the time and is still used most of the time just for additional ammunition for the helicopter, i thaught why not installing a mechanism for rearming the weapons.
Empty weapons on pylons are forced inside the cargo room via a track and inside new B-8B20 NUR pods are reloaded and forced into their normal position via the same track.
the Su-25 showed it BADLY needs modern defensive aids.
Austin wrote:BTW does Mig has that kind of order to make 30 aircraft per year ?
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