Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

PapaDragon wrote:
Trampoline Man should be euthanized alongside his degenerate offspring who is f*cking up cargo aircraft development.

What will be next great success from Roskosmos after tourism? Balloon flights?

is not Rogozin the problem.. he is the one demanding more funding for Russia space
program.. the one that needs to be euthanized is Putin.. that obsolete idiot is the one that needs
to Go with medvedev too.. they are wasting Russia budget in meaningless artificial nation
development for meaningless things..

If you want to hate someone is Putin , the one that needs to go.. There are
even Cosmonauts who have Resign , (and i posted the link)  because they told
of stagnation of Russia space program ,not moving..  So is to blame for Russia space
program not moving?   Is the people who provides the funding.. if you don't pay well
scientist or engineers , or don't give much to do ,they are going elsewhere to private industry
instead.. because Putin ambitions for space are not very serious..  Even Rogozin told it..
"they want us to defeat NASA and China space program with 1/20 of the budget) ..
so is Putin's head ,the one that needs to roll .. not Rogozing.

Why every nation now wants to go to the moon ?  
because it is important ,it helps the Nation image , it promotes patriotism more than anything,
it makes the entire nations feel proud about their country ,and it sells an image to the world..
So is to influence the world and to influence their own citizens.. this is why space is extremely
super important.. more than Putin's "healthy" sports or victory parades..

Now even Israel wants to go to the moon. .

https://www.rt.com/news/451873-israel-private-probe-moon/

Only nations with ambitions go to the moon.. and the nations who already did that 50 years ago..
they should be in a race to be first with a base or scientific colony in moon and mars... the headlines
something like that will make. the lives stream of cosmonauts in moon or mars will generate more views that the world cup 2018 did and Sochi combined ...and not just a couple of weeks but for years . in Business , anything that draws public attention ,that generate ratings is worth of of a ton of GOLD and leading in space even more important. The country that leads in space colonization will be in history world wide ,in books and every student in the planet will know what happened. This is what Influence and Leadership looks like..  Media rights alone will pay for the Space exploration and moon and mars landing. If in US companies pay $50 millions dollars for 30 seconds of advertisement in the super bowl American football,how much more Russia will make with a world wide steam live event from another planet ? that last 3-6 months of live coverage of a manned landing?

Imho .. all Russian cosmonauts should resign in mass and protest Putin weakness and lack of ambitions in Space . Is not in 10 to 20 years when Russia space exploration should start.. but as soon as putin got in power in 2000 ,when he should have given the order to build a super heavy carrier to go to moon and mars..

Russian Cosmonaut Resigns Space Station Command for 'Better Job'

https://www.space.com/22674-cosmonaut-resigns-space-station-command.html


So who is to blame for this ???   ROGOZIN?

Record-holding Russian cosmonaut to retire from Roscosmos space agency

“I had to resign. I am tired of doing nothing"....Roskosmos cosmonaut Gennady Padalka

https://www.rt.com/news/385727-russian-record-holding-cosmonaut-resigns/

Rogozin was not even head of the agency by that time.

So look at this catastrophe ,losing such experienced Cosmonaut ,? someone head
had to roll for this and is Putin Putin and Putin only the most mediocre President ever
to blame for this. And even the Cosmonauts critisize their own Government inaction of space..
is the Russian Government eating SHIT ..Is Putin the one to blame that one to euthanize
for ignoring Space for bullshit sports.. with half of the money Putin wasted in olympics
will have been more than enough for Russia to have a Super Ambitious space exploration program.
and at same time provide security with the militarization of space , using their civilian rockets for it.
Russia have a ton of money , they simply don't know how to prioritize the things that really
are important for projecting the Influence and Leadership Russia needs with urgency ,to break
the influence of Americans and their hostile soft war against Russia.

The most humiliating thing will have been NASA inviting those Cosmonauts to join their
space program instead.. that he defect to NASA..or Space X projects ,that will have been epic ,
and later people demand Putin's resignation for Incompetent.

I wonder if S7 will be allowed to use Vostochney in the future?

Only it they build their own launch pad.

Putin orders government to create National Space Center in Moscow

Some 20,000 designers and engineers of Roscosmos will gather at one place

MOSCOW, February 20. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin during his State of the Nation address to the Federal Assembly ordered the Moscow government and the Roscosmos State Space Corporation to create the National Space Center.

According to the president, the center should unite key organizations, design bureaus and production facilities and ensure carrying out scientific researches and training staff.

Putin stressed that for a true revolution in the sphere of communications, navigation and the creation of Earth's remote sensing systems Russia’s satellites constellation needs to be significantly increased. "Russia has unique technologies for that, but such tasks demand fundamental upgrading of the entire space sector," he said.

Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin told reporters on Wednesday the National Space Center in Moscow is expected to start operations in three and a half years. "This project was presented to the president and he backed it. Now we will start working with the Moscow government and I believe and this center will start operations in three and a half years, according to our estimates," Rogozin said.

"Some 20,000 designers and engineers of Roscosmos will gather at one place," he noted.

The National Space Center will be created on the territory of the Khrunichev Center’s plant.


More:
http://tass.com/science/1045629

Some real world news (and no surprise there):

The first flight of a new Russian middle-class rocket "Soyuz-5" postponed for a year (2023). On February 20, General Director of Glavkosmos Dmitry Loskutov told Geospatial world.

https://iz.ru/847880/2019-02-20/pervyi-pusk-soiuza-5-otlozhili-na-god


Question is why is this Loskutov dude one who is delivering the news?

Why not Trampoline Man himself? After all, he is genius behind everything.

Those poor Rogozin's tourists will probably have to wait extra year now.

Good thing Roskosmos is not doing anything of any importance anymore.

PapaDragon wrote: ...here Paps was bitching bout Rogozin...

I understand that your negative view bout Roscosmos is that your expectations were not met. Ok so tell how you would like to see Roscosmos development?


Below how I see it:

1) who have left in reality? A  test-pilot Mark + 5 other guys (this is what Mrk's wife said in Duma - source/; Tass).

2) What they will do? design spacecraft for - space tourism

3) Roscosmos is NOT  a space agency. Roscosmos IS  a corporation , which   has to bring profit . Where neither NASA nor  ESA do.  

4)  Roscosmos budget is like ~15% of NASA and ESA ~40% ones

5) Roscosmos before Rogozin was in poor shape for years, it has an army employees ~ 230,000 people. Many enterprises on verge of collapse.  

6) Looks like space tourism is a double digit growing industry. Not yet huge but   still pretty low entry cost for Roscosmos.
https://www.reuters.com/brandfeatures/venture-capital/article?id=47343


7) There are  to many people to carry out current level of orders. Rogozin tries to increase orders + make profit out of that insted of shutting down and firing.

 Roscosmos (source: Izvestia) hs first time brought profit and piad back  ~$500m back during first 8  months Rogozin s CEO.




So you are in Rogozin's situation in my 2018,  what would you do?  constructive feedbag appreciated

Constructive feedback? Here:

Investigate and prosecute idiots who damage equipment, fire incompetent morons who trash launch systems on assembly, get new platforms into service in order to get rid of Soviet junk, start implementing scientific missions, stop being butthurt about Musk, stop promising stupid shit you can't deliver, stop deflecting guilt for your incompetence, stop engaging in and promoting conspiracy theories and start doing your job.

And no, space tourism is neither growing segment nor something that serious national space agency (which Roskosmos definitely IS) should be wasting time and money on.

Rogozin thinks he is Russian Elon Musk. He is not. He is barely Russian Alex Jones.

Soviet Junk is pretty damn good. Soyuz space rockets is saving roscosmos imo. Proton was the one that needed scrapping.

miketheterrible wrote:Soviet Junk is pretty damn good. Soyuz space rockets is saving roscosmos imo. Proton was the one that needed scrapping.

Only Soviet part left in Soyuz-2 is appearance. That's Russian rocket now and you can tell because they don't blow up after launch in cloud of toxic fire.

I am talking about every single other thing (medium rockets, manufacturing, quality control, personnel, design process, launch infrastructure, and overall lack of direction)

Not to mention shaved chimpanzee in driver's seat

PapaDragon wrote: Constructive feedback? Here:

Thx,  I appreciate otherwise there is no factual discussion      

PD wrote: 1) Investigate and prosecute idiots who damage equipment,
2) fire incompetent morons who trash launch systems on assembly,
3) get new platforms into service in order to get rid of Soviet junk,
4) start implementing scientific missions,
5)stop being butthurt about Musk, stop promising stupid shit you can't deliver, stop deflecting guilt for your incompetence, stop engaging in and promoting conspiracy theories and start doing your job.

1-4 agreed in 99%. And this is actually happening now, since Rogoizin came. Before you start contesting my opinion pls. take  into consideration that:

A) Roscomoss has 60+ subsidiaries and  ~230 employees

B) many  subsidiaries are in poor shape financially, not enough skilled staff and they need to be re-equipped

C) Rogzin started 18th My 2018.  i.e. 9 months,  yet he paid back  $500m debts and  made profit



BTW 1% is "Soviet junk" . Old designs are morally obsolete by means  junk. Rugged, proven designs. Their time is just passed.


WRT 5   - ok so you dont like his PR, ok perhaps is nt oo intellectual but many Russins actually like this. Unless on forumens monst of comments re writing by bots.

PD wrote:And no, space tourism is neither growing segment nor something that serious national space agency (which Roskosmos definitely IS) should be wasting time and money on.[/quotr]

Then S7 are incompetent morons wasting huge money by space tourism investment.  + this team from Federation  moved to S7 to ...build space tourist vehicles



Роскосмос actually is  corporation. This means it is not only responsible for space launches and sci we since but, unlike NASA, also building satellites or operating GLONSS .  

Роскосмос — государственная корпорация, созданная в августе 2015 года для проведения комплексной реформы ракетно-космической отрасли России.

https://www.roscosmos.ru/219/


ROSCOSMOS is a State Corporation that was established in August 2015 to oversee and implement a comprehensive reform of the Russian space industry.

http://en.roscosmos.ru/119/

Soyuz mission with EgyptSat-A successfully completed despite problems

link from A.Zak site

Apparently the 3rd stage performance came up a little short, but the Fregat auto-compensated and delivered the payload into the correct orbit.

As a result of the anomaly, the Fregat fourth stage and its payload was apparently tracked in a wrong trajectory with a lower-than-expected perigee. Soon thereafter, multiple reports, including an official statement from Roskosmos, confirmed the successful release of the satellite into its planned orbit and its normal communications with ground control. The spacecraft also deployed its solar panels, Interfax reported. However RIA Novosti reported that the Fregat had successfully compensated for the lack of performance of the third stage.

While the 3rd stage issue is a concern, its good to see the Fregat working as expected and picking up the slack.  Provision of operational redundancies...  good to see

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6146043

There was a problem with the 3rd stage, but the Fregat upper stage corrected it.

"The perigee of the satellite orbit was lower by 60 km after the third stage of the launch vehicle," the source said.

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6146043

They need to investigate why such anomalies take place which almost lead to failure of mission and now this will lead to delay of other mission.

With the recent revelation of  US sabotaging Iran program , Russia will have to check if some of the failures in past due to faulty component is a deleberate sabotage by some paid officials ........Wont rule that out

Austin wrote:They need to investigate why such anomalies take place which almost lead to failure of mission and now this will lead to delay of other mission.

With the recent revelation of  US sabotaging Iran program , Russia will have to check if some of the failures in past due to faulty component is a deliberate sabotage by some paid officials ........Wont rule that out

I have no doubt that there are active saboteurs acting within the Russian space industry, either for US cash or acting out of sympathy with the Ukropistani regime.  Drilling holes in Soyuz? Inserting yaw sensors backwards into a proton rocket?  These kind of fuck-ups don't just happen...

The only real question is how effective are they and how widespread is the problem? How many failure are sinister in nature, and how many are just incompetence from workers and management?

The other issue is deliberate sabotage of foreign-sourced electronic components to cause premature failure of spacecraft. Again, very likely, but hard to evaluate. If it is a real problem, the Russians won't admit but will work quietly to eliminate it without having to admit the vulnerability.  Their policy should be to simply eliminate all non-domestic components from their launchers and spacecraft (*), and enforce military QA/QC and 3rd party supervision of all test activities.

(*) actually i would extend this to all components used in the Russian MIC, including civil aviation sector.

OneWeb postponed the launch of satellites due to problems at the launch of the rocket from Baikonur

https://vpk-news.ru/news/48544


They will now have to analysis the performance issue with the stages of soyuz lauch that happened with egypt sat

The source called the cause of the emergency situation at the launch of EgyptSat-A

https://iz.ru/849147/2019-02-23/istochnik-nazval-prichinu-neshtatnoi-situatcii-pri-zapuske-egyptsat


This is pointed to human error , or is it Human Sabotage

Austin wrote:The source called the cause of the emergency situation at the launch of EgyptSat-A

https://iz.ru/849147/2019-02-23/istochnik-nazval-prichinu-neshtatnoi-situatcii-pri-zapuske-egyptsat


This is pointed to human error , or is it Human Sabotage

It's called incompetence and has been one of main features of Russian space industry for decades

Sabotage has been main excuse for aforementioned incompetence for decades as well

kvs wrote:
In the current climate it is more likely to be sabotage.   .  

i wouldn't exclude it. But reason can be even simpler to undermine Rogoizn position as he has started to clean those  Augean stables.

PapaDragon wrote: It's called incompetence and has been one of main features of Russian space industry for decades

that's why Putin sent Rogozin to clean up mess.

Putin: Russia needs to increase satellite constellation

“For a real revolution in the field of communications, navigation, and the creation of Earth remote sensing systems, it is necessary to multiply increase the capabilities of our satellite constellation. Russia has unique technologies for this,” he added.
According to the president, such tasks require a qualitative upgrade of the entire space industry.

https://ria.ru/20190220/1551123126.html

EgyptSat-A 3rd stage issue caused by human error link

The premature shutdown of the third-stage Soyuz-2.1b rocket when the Egyptian satellite EgyptSat-A was launched on February 21 was due to the fact that an oxidizer was not added to the Baikonur cosmodrome, the source in the rocket and space industry told Monday.

"Before the start-up, the level sensors of the oxidizer were incorrectly set up. As a result, less oxidizer was loaded into the third-stage tank of the Soyuz-2.1b rocket. Accordingly, the oxidizer ended prematurely and the engine turned off earlier than the expected time," said the agency interlocutor.

Russian rocket launches first OneWeb cluster  link

but that fecking 5th-columnist dirtbag Anatoly Zak takes the opportunity to smear Russia again...

With the launch of the OneWeb constellation, the Russian rocket industry stands to earn millions, but the Kremlin is terrified at the prospect of unhindered access to the Internet by its citizens.

link

This guy is some special kind of C U Next Tuesday....  

Someone should openly smear him and call him out on his BS.

Russians have access to foreign media all the time. What difference does it make? They are afraid of illegal (terrorist promotion sites) being used by oneweb. In this regard, all nations would block it like they already do. Zak calls Russia Totalitarian state, but the idiot has no idea what that even means.