Roscosmos Planetary Exploration Missions

Well, it's well deserved, congratulations to Indians

It is a huge step for India, and maybe Roscosmos should be cooperating with India!

They are obviously doing something right and we should reinforce success !

India proves it is a space power,  

And Russia? Lmao there's a lot to work on guys, a lot

sepheronx wrote:They will just make another one and make another attempt. Better to do it in smaller steps.

Smaller how? Steps in lunar exploration hardly get any smaller than this

Only thing smaller is looking at the moon through the telescope from your backyard

owais.usmani wrote:Official statement from Roscosmos:

https://t.me/roscosmos_gk/10540
.....

I love how they are going into detail about every single thing EXCEPT the reason why they were riding the thrusters for half as long like complete morons and royally fùcked up in the process  

Loss of communication seems to be a common reoccurring issue with many of Roscosmos' past failures. Therefore, the possibility of sabotage needs to be taken seriously.

The question would be, which portion of the mission chain does the sabotage occur?

Theres a lot of possibilities, there could be a mole/ saboteur involved in the assembly of the craft, or someone who works in the supply or procurement of parts and software.

Then there's the possibility that NATO operates a spacecraft (Boeing X-37?) capable of disrupting communication signals from Earth to Space.

Smaller how? Steps in lunar exploration hardly get any smaller than this

Perhaps send another probe but with less scientific equipment for lunar research, what I mean by this is to send a lunar craft who's main purpose is to TEST communication reliability from Roscosmos' earth HQ to the moon. Gather data to find out whats causing the loss of communication which leads to mission failures.

Of course, like what I mentioned, the possibility of NATO sabotage needs to be taken seriously and measures needs to be put in place ASAP.

Big_Gazza wrote:

RTN wrote:SLAVA Russia   Luna has crashed
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Go fck yourself troll.  I knew I had you blocked for good reasons.

Hey, Russians fucked up and his guys didn't

He has every right to gloat

Hell, Roskosmos has been doing nothing but gloating until several hours ago even though at that point they still didn't accomplish shit

GarryB wrote:Failure is an important part of life....

Are you serious?

At this rate of cope you will be quoting Derek Zoolander before long

"Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty."

Once determined that NATO is behind the Luna-25 sabotage, Russia will need to set up its own sabotage operations group to cause havoc in NATO's own space program, both military and civilian.

PapaDragon wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

RTN wrote:SLAVA Russia   Luna has crashed
...

Go fck yourself troll.  I knew I had you blocked for good reasons.

Hey, Russians fucked up and his guys didn't

He has every right to gloat

Hell, Roskosmos has been doing nothing but gloating until several hours ago even though at that point they still didn't accomplish shit

GarryB wrote:Failure is an important part of life....

Are you serious?

At this rate of cope you will be quoting Derek Zoolander before long

"Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty."

PhSt wrote:Loss of communication seems to be a common reoccurring issue with many of Roscosmos' past failures. Therefore, the possibility of sabotage needs to be taken seriously. ...

There was no loss of communication until after probe crashed which is when loss of communication is perfectly expected

Problem was too much communication during engine firing which lasted 60% longer and caused the probe to go Leeroy Jenkins on the whole moon

Only sabotage here is self-sabotage

sepheronx wrote:So flaming, what's the next best option? Trash the company and call it quits in space?

Throwing the baby out with the bath water?

Have you seen the scoreboard?

There was never any baby to begin with, it's just bathwater there

sepheronx wrote:So what's your suggestion again?

Build more than one probe each, try more often instead with decades between launches and don't fùck up with the most basic shit

If flight plan says X amount of speed don't use (X÷100)×160 amount of speed

Fasta' is not always better

And for fùck sakes keep the bragging to the minimum until you actually have something to brag about



Oh and I just a reminder of this laugh fest here, remember official Luna-25 mascot?

When are we getting t-shirts?

MOSCOW, Aug 20 - RIA Novosti. The "alarming signs" at the Luna-25 station were noticed even before the attempt to enter the pre-landing orbit, but the decision to postpone the maneuver was not made, a scientist, a leading researcher at the Space Research Institute (IKI), told RIA Novosti RAN Nathan Eismont.
"There were problems, they were not that significant, but the signs were, so to speak, alarming, but everyone hoped that somehow it would be possible to sort it out... There were problems, I will say carefully, there are calculated things, and there are expected values... If our deviation turns out to be somewhat higher than we expected, this is an alarming fact, but apparently it was not alarming enough to move to a radical solution," Eismont said.
The scientist believes that since a problem arose, it was necessary to wait and postpone the transition to a pre-landing orbit. According to him, there would be "nothing terrible" in this.
"It is sad that there was a time and, apparently, the decision on how to proceed was not made the best," the scientist added.

https://ria.ru/20230820/luna-1891116639.html

No, it's totally unsuccessful 

It took a lot of pics and made measurements along the way. Not a complete failure.

if the Indians succeed with their own mission, it will be something of a humiliation 

Yeah. Sure. Wake me up if India manages to get some dude into space. 

One way or the other there needs to be a consequence to this debacle.

First there are complaints about inexperienced people and then there are calls to fire everybody involved.
You can´t gain experience that way.

old you fellas not to jinx it

How old are you? Twelve?

Roscosmos is beneath me

Yup. 12. 

The only downside to this is that they only got 2 other probes in the pipeline in the next 6 or so years.
They should speed this up to one probe every year. Put some of the experiments and systems on different
probes. The production facilities are there, just like the specialists, so let them work 24/7. Can´t be hard
for the state to find those extra funds.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Well, it's well deserved, congratulations to Indians

It is a huge step for India, and maybe Roscosmos should be cooperating with India!

They are obviously doing something right and we should reinforce success !

India proves it is a space power,  

And Russia? Lmao there's a lot to work on guys, a lot

They're not there yet, don't jinx them too

sepheronx wrote:So what's your suggestion again?

A sentence of 5-years hard self-flagellation to all involved. They have failed the nation at a crucial moment after drawing unwarranted attention to themselves and providing a seeming promise of success.

And **** it and get on with things here on Earth instead for the rest of us. Can't be bothered to have this runaway budget-sucking hype train of a space agency ruining anymore of my weekends.

Begome wrote:MOSCOW, Aug 20 - RIA Novosti. The "alarming signs" at the Luna-25 station were noticed even before the attempt to enter the pre-landing orbit, but the decision to postpone the maneuver was not made, a scientist, a leading researcher at the Space Research Institute (IKI), told RIA Novosti RAN Nathan Eismont.
"There were problems, they were not that significant, but the signs were, so to speak, alarming, but everyone hoped that somehow it would be possible to sort it out... There were problems, I will say carefully, there are calculated things, and there are expected values... If our deviation turns out to be somewhat higher than we expected, this is an alarming fact, but apparently it was not alarming enough to move to a radical solution," Eismont said.
The scientist believes that since a problem arose, it was necessary to wait and postpone the transition to a pre-landing orbit. According to him, there would be "nothing terrible" in this.
"It is sad that there was a time and, apparently, the decision on how to proceed was not made the best," the scientist added.

https://ria.ru/20230820/luna-1891116639.html

It gets worse

Reminds me of how Kaczinski ordered his pilot to land at Smolensk despite the weather conditions being highly unsuitable.

Predictable results there, and predictable results here. Who could have guessed?

And for what, to beat India in a space race they themselves didn't realize they were in? Russia had itself decided that it was in a space race with India - which is a friendly country BTW, not an adversarial one.

Luna 25's crash shows how tough this stuff is. This is Russia - they are responsible for 50% of all human advances in rocket science. Even then...

Begome wrote:MOSCOW, Aug 20 - RIA Novosti. The "alarming signs" at the Luna-25 station were noticed even before the attempt to enter the pre-landing orbit, but the decision to postpone the maneuver was not made, a scientist, a leading researcher at the Space Research Institute (IKI), told RIA Novosti RAN Nathan Eismont.
"There were problems, they were not that significant, but the signs were, so to speak, alarming, but everyone hoped that somehow it would be possible to sort it out... There were problems, I will say carefully, there are calculated things, and there are expected values... If our deviation turns out to be somewhat higher than we expected, this is an alarming fact, but apparently it was not alarming enough to move to a radical solution," Eismont said.
The scientist believes that since a problem arose, it was necessary to wait and postpone the transition to a pre-landing orbit. According to him, there would be "nothing terrible" in this.
"It is sad that there was a time and, apparently, the decision on how to proceed was not made the best," the scientist added.

https://ria.ru/20230820/luna-1891116639.html

It keeps talking but says nothing

Uncanny...

Sujoy wrote:Luna 25's crash shows how tough this stuff is. This is Russia - they are responsible for 50% of all human advances in rocket science. Even then...

Every single one of their achievements have been matched and surpassed decades ago by several nations

They haven't achieved anything of note in over half a century


And when I say 'their' I mean USSR's

Russian Federation achieved precisely nothing so far

Lets be honest here, Rogozin should have never left Roscosmos so these failures wouldn't happen.
I will be near the point of intoxication with alcohol if India manages to land their rover on the moon.

I say Russia needs to hurry up and Launch another Moon probe ASAP. We don't have time to wait until 2027 for another Luna-26. It needs to be done in 3 months. Russia's reputation is on the line here.

Big_Gazza wrote:Go fck yourself troll.  I knew I had you blocked for good reasons.

That'll put your mom out of a job

Begome wrote:while RTN's children will be cutting each other's genitals off in order to conform to "the current thing"...that is, if he manages to have any children at all given the increasing infertility of Western witches, oh sorry, "women" these days

But you russian homos have friends up the ass.

Yawn, crashed or not, both Russian and American space programs are a joke compared what they were during Cold War. 

Chinese and Indians might have some interesting missions, but we are back to dark ages.