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sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:19 pm

I am unsure what the rush is.

It is no secret China and India would be futures of space. USA and Russia fell greatly behind with major disasters for the US and now Russia. India and China have a mass population behind them that can work on such projects with cheaper labor.

Russia will be its own thing. Their military satellite launches are just fine. Same with their launches of people to the space station. Their modules had some issues but that is speculated to be sabotage (drilled holes in module). Otherwise it all works fine. It just seems their landers have issues landing on the planet.

Whatever, some people are crying far too much about it.

Edit: Russia will continue to do such projects, and will continue to fund development. A lot of these projects are important not for what they will do in space but the technology being developed. For instance, Roscosmos makes semiconductors for their own specific needs which is used for military as well. Then there is also that they make nuclear missiles for Russian military.

It may be better to actually separate the company. Possibly move production of nuclear missiles and such away from Roscosmos, so they have a very specific spectrum to work with.

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PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:20 pm

Remember The Nutsack wrote:
That'll put my mom out of a job

Remember The Nutsack wrote:
But you American homos have friends up the ass.

Folks its official, This RTN Homo is only here to Troll. Kill him and Ban him while she is still alive attack

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thegopnik Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:22 pm

I dont know what the **** I was smoking thinking that in the 2030s Russia will have planned man to mars projects.

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limb Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:27 pm

The important event of this weekend was our celebration of the Transfiguration of Jesus Christ. Happy HolyDay everyo

Ah yes, some religious holiday is more important than roscosmos finally wiping off the shame of mars fuckups and actua;lys uccessfully sending probes to objects in our solar system...

Funny how the atheistic soviets who destroyed churches had more successful moon probe missions than the god fearing russian federation that spends billions on building churches.

Earlier this year Russia set a national record of 100 consecutive successful launches of space launch vehicles in its modern history, in addition to being responsible for the overwhelming majority of manned launches in the last 15 years.
Minor exception you say

Yes, when it comes to sending probes to celestial objects, pathetic embarrassing failure is definitely the rule in roscosmos. Funny how the supposedly technologically inferior chinese who only copy russian space tech landed multiple probes on the moon in the last 20 years.

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Big_Gazza Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:28 pm

RTN wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Go fck yourself troll. I knew I had you blocked for good reasons.

That'll put your mom out of a job

My mother passed away recently.

Go fck yourself troll.

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PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:30 pm

thegopnik wrote:I dont know what the **** I was smoking thinking that in the 2030s Russia will have planned man to mars projects.

These projects are not impossible for Russia to achieve, however, NATO has dialed up the escalation meter right next to Russia's borders, therefore, resources have to be diverted to kick out Ukrainians, the Balticans and Finlanders from historic Russian lands where there are illegally squatting right now as we speak.

Once the Western borders of Russia have been secured, Outer space projects should proceed smoothly.

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limb Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:32 pm

thegopnik wrote:I dont know what the **** I was smoking thinking that in the 2030s Russia will have planned man to mars projects.

This brings into question if the nuclear tug will even get launched, given that soyuz 5 is stillborn, and russian competence in controlling spacecraft outside of LEO is on the level of a drunk romanian gypsy truck driver.

These projects are not impossible for Russia to achieve

Theyre impossible because kazakhstan is antirussian now, and theres 0 alternatives to baikonur or baiterek that can be built within 5 years.

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PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:37 pm

Theyre impossible because kazakhstan is antirussian now, and theres 0 alternatives to baikonur or baiterek that can be built within 5 years.

Traitorous Kazakh leadership can be replaced with less effort than the Ukrainian campaign at the moment, but in relation to Baikonur, there is the Vostochny. If they are not planning manned space launches in Vostochny then why the heck would they build that spaceport in the first place.

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caveat emptor Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:38 pm

sepheronx wrote:

Russia will be its own thing. Their military satellite launches are just fine. Same with their launches of people to the space station. Their modules had some issues but that is speculated to be sabotage (drilled holes in module). Otherwise it all works fine. It just seems their landers have issues landing on the planet.

I actually agree with that part, especially in the times of war. Rebuild military and civilian satellite networks. Invest money in further improvement of Glonass ( they are already well behind their own timelines), communication and remote observation satellite networks. Instead of splurging money in the middle of the war on this shit. In order for Roscosmos to be successful, it need to get its own house in order.

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Big_Gazza Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:40 pm

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New design has been released. Pre-order now to avoid the rush...

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flamming_python Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:42 pm

RTN wrote:But you russian homos have friends up the ass.

Amusing someone from your country calling anyone else 'homos', most amusing

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flamming_python Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:43 pm

Big_Gazza wrote:New design has been released. Pre-order now to avoid the rush...

Needs more Dakka!

We gotta go fasta boss!

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Arkanghelsk Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:59 pm

The Luna 25 failure was known since couple of days ago, when these clowns ominously said that a communication error had occurred, but that it was not catastrophic

Then they tried correcting the lunar insertion orbit and they fucked that up but they didn't want to wait for a normal insertion like the Indians are doing

They decided to press ahead with what they had originally planned in spite of the fact that they had problems communicating with the probe and their maneuver was not executed

So in the end they were telegraphing this problem since days ago, and wanted to give the bosses at least some Vaseline before the oopa oopa happened

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Regular Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:04 am

Comparing Roscosmos to Soviet Space program is like comparing Kerbal 2 to Kerbal 1.

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sepheronx Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:29 am

So it boils down to them losing communication with device then try to brute force it to do what they wanted and then fucked that up?

These things should have some sort of AI to make best determination move or suggestions.

As for communication, Russia needs to improve its comm satellite network in order to prevent loss of connection.

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kvs Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:19 am

If they had left it to automatic control it would have succeeded. But you see here the progressive rot of large organizations where
more and more rules for "safety" and "success" are imposed that make the whole process a Rube Goldberg farce. Why the F*CK do
they need to communicate with the spacecraft all the way down. They are not piloting a Cessna.

The reason that the Soviet program (and the US one) were more robust in the 1960s was because they KISSed it. No design by
committees of brown nosing retards whose skills are at backstabbing office politics. BTW, you see the advent of this class of
worthless meat in the current EU political class.

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flamming_python Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:35 am

I find the reaction by the exceptionalist chumps over at the NASA forums and this RTN guy here quite telling though

They're clearly out of it. Acting like children with tantrums once you take away their toys. Or in this case, when their little plan with the Ukraine didn't work out and now much of the world is covertly rebelling against their globalhomo leadership.
Openly gloating over what, every failure of this short-changed crappy Russian space agency? lol, gloat away.
I take this as a sign of their weakness, their inherent weakness, that all it takes for them to drop the veneer of civilization and humanity is for them to be challenged and slapped back. They've gotten used to fighting against some Iraq's, Libya's, Yugoslavia's and whatever. Unfortunately for them the war goes on, with or without a new mission to the Moon.

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flamming_python Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:59 am

sepheronx wrote:I am unsure what the rush is.

It is no secret China and India would be futures of space. USA and Russia fell greatly behind with major disasters for the US and now Russia. India and China have a mass population behind them that can work on such projects with cheaper labor.

Russia will be its own thing. Their military satellite launches are just fine. Same with their launches of people to the space station. Their modules had some issues but that is speculated to be sabotage (drilled holes in module). Otherwise it all works fine. It just seems their landers have issues landing on the planet.

Whatever, some people are crying far too much about it.

Edit: Russia will continue to do such projects, and will continue to fund development. A lot of these projects are important not for what they will do in space but the technology being developed. For instance, Roscosmos makes semiconductors for their own specific needs which is used for military as well. Then there is also that they make nuclear missiles for Russian military.

It may be better to actually separate the company. Possibly move production of nuclear missiles and such away from Roscosmos, so they have a very specific spectrum to work with.

iTSnOseCretChINaandinDiAwouldbeFutuREoFSpAcE

We didn mean to do nuthin. We got nothing.

So then why did they in fact, try to do something, and make such a big show of it, and then proceed to end up in hospitals with complications when the inevitable fk-ups happened?
Do the job properly and you won't have to go through these health-crises, nor make fools of yourselves.

It's just cope after cope what I'm seeing from you serephonx dunno

Just the embrace the failure in all its glory and don't make excuses for anyone. The people responsible deserve all that they get.
Will there be another chance? Yeah sure, probably. Have to pick yourself up and try again sooner or later. At least by that time, there won't be much expected of them. Like Russia in the 2018 World Cup. No-one expected much of them and even a quarter-final finish was received as a major success.

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sepheronx Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:31 am

It isn't cope, its reality.

If you think this is the end of Roscosmos and want to dwell over it, go knock yourself out. I gave my criticism too.

I suggest taking a breather. So what if India and China gets to it before you do? You guys already got to to the moon before with a rover before they did back in the 60's. Great. Yeah, your scientists fucked up horribly instead of letting the system do what its supposed to do, they intervened. Let them get fired or whatever then move on.

Edit:
Since you are having a mental breakdown over this, let me ask this question:

Whats more important? Rover to the moon or a Space Station?

I would say China is ahead since they have their own space station mimic from the MIR while you guys sucked American Cock and went with the international Space Station. The space station is more important and who knows when you guys will actually build a new space station. India has no experience in it and doesn't have one or is part of one. So there is still a lot India has to do to catch up, but you guys are already behind China in it so why cry about it now?

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Kiko Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:49 am

Unfortunately Luna-25 coincided with India's Chandrayaan-3.

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PhSt Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:09 am

Russia needs to conquer territories from NATO occupiers to compensate for this setback. attack

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George1 Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:28 am

Luna-Glob program shall be continued? Luna 26-27 missions

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Big_Gazza Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:05 am

IMHO it was a mistake not to follow the Chinese model, ie first fly a lunar orbiter kitted out with a comms relay (they did this to support far side operations). Also establish full global coverage of data relay satellites so that mission control on Russian soil can communicate realtime 24/7 with any space based asset regardless of its position relative to local horizon. I suspect this is however a significant task given the northerly latituide of Russian territory (you need far more than just 3x birds on geostationary equatorial orbits to get sufficient coverage). Maybe a combination of global data relay birds for terrestial comms, coupled with 1-2 space tracking ships positioned to provide solid coverage of the moon.

Deep space is more challenging as it requires large ground-based dishes, and the Atlantacists will pull out all stops to prevent Russia from gaining the rights to build such stations, including outright intimidation and bribery. Ongoing shift to multipolarity will help in this regard, especially if Russia can co-operate with India and China to develop a joint global system.

Luna 26 is an orbiter, so no reason to delay and this failure should have no schedule impact. Makes me wonder why they didn't go for the orbiter first and then follow up with the more demanding lander?...

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PapaDragon Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:27 am

thegopnik wrote:Lets be honest here, Rogozin should have never left Roscosmos so these failures wouldn't happen.
I will be near the point of intoxication with alcohol if India manages to land their rover on the moon.

Have you been sniffing glue?

He is the reason that place is still such a disaster

And all that PR showboating with nothing to show for is his legacy, before him the clowns at Roskosmos at least had the decency to keep their mouths shit

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PapaDragon Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:31 am

Kiko wrote:Unfortunately Luna-25 coincided with India's Chandrayaan-3.

What does Indian mission have to do with anything?

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