Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

chicken wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

In other news, the first unit(s) will have the PALASH gun/missile system. Later units will receive the naval PANTSYR gun/missile system once it becomes available.

Does the Palash missiles now work? I thought it still had problems.

hoom wrote:

the first unit(s) will have the PALASH gun/missile system

OOoh I had thought they should do that You got a source for it? I can't find anything.

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:Hmm, not sure I buy that since multiple more recent statements, official renders etc show the first 2-3 have 2* AK-630.

Those early renders are completely meaningless. Glorified concept art.

We now have actual info. First one Palash, others Pantsir.

Speaking of AA there were naval tests of Tor M2 system on Grigorevich frigate and they seem to be satisfied with results. What are the odds of Tors ending up on smaller vessels like Karakurts?





http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2510628.html

We now have actual info. First one Palash, others Pantsir.

Google translate wrote:Based on the information obtained at the forum "Army-2015",... The armament will consist of a 100- or 76-mm automatic gun mount universal antiaircraft missiles and gun-complex "Carapace-M" or "palm".

This will give them the capability to arm any ship with good AA

hoom wrote:

This will give them the capability to arm any ship with good AA

Thing is its not that great, 15km quoted range while Pantsir gets 20km & has guns too.

TheArmenian wrote:Pantsir has the advantage of range over TOR.
But because of its configuration, the Pantsir missile can not engage target at ranges under 4 km. That's why Pantsir has guns. But guns are less effective than missiles in engaging smaller targets.
TOR missile can engage at ranges of as little as 1.2 km, it just lacks the range of Pantsir.

By the way, Karakurts are 800 T (not 650 T).

Edit: Another advantage of TOR is that it uses vertical launchers. Meaning that it can be installed in a stealthy configuration. Pantsir will just worsen the Radar Cross Section of the ship.

It is almost certain that navalized TOR will be installed on some vessels. Just don't know which ones. My bet is on the Project 22160 patrol ships.

Isos wrote:

But because of its configuration, the Pantsir missile can not engage target at ranges under 4 km. That's why Pantsir has guns. But guns are less effective than missiles in engaging smaller targets.
TOR missile can engage at ranges of as little as 1.2 km, it just lacks the range of Pantsir.

Where did you find these numbers

because of its configuration, the Pantsir missile can not engage target at ranges under 4 km. That's why Pantsir has guns.

It is almost certain that navalized TOR will be installed on some vessels. Just don't know which ones. My bet is on the Project 22160 patrol ships.

PapaDragon wrote:
Crimean Shipyard to Build 3 Missile Corvettes by 2020 - Deputy Defense Minister

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201703171051695087-crimean-shipyard-corvettes/

........"Three corvettes will be constructed at the More shipyard. The technological cycle of construction will take about 32 months. We expect the construction to be completed in 2018, 2019, and 2020, respectively. Laying of the third ship's keel will take place approximately at the end of this year," Borisov said during the keel laying of the second missile corvette, the Okhotsk.....

........Another 18 Project 22800 corvettes will be built by St. Petersburg's Pella Shipyard before 2022, while some others are being constructed by the Zelenodolsk Shipyard in Tatarstan, according to the Russian navy....

Zelenodolsk part is probably faulty now that they greenlit more Buyans there

hoom wrote:First Karakut delayed to 2018. http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B02/
They're blaming the need to do extra tests due to it being a first of class which is not an exactly convincing excuse (probably will cause delay but that should have been in the original schedule...)