Russian Ground Forces: News #2

Viktor wrote:Nice  

Source: Panzer Army will be formed near Moscow for the winter

and

A source in the General Staff: the new Panzer Army in Russia will receive the first "Armata"

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

sepheronx wrote:

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

How many civillians working for ministry of defense before?

Is cutting down to only 26 repair plants from 131 a good idea?  That is a massive cut. I would have just privatized some and then give the rest to manufacturers.  Do we know how many are going to manufacturers?

Werewolf wrote:

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

franco wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

How many civillians working for ministry of defense before?

Is cutting down to only 26 repair plants from 131 a good idea?  That is a massive cut. I would have just privatized some and then give the rest to manufacturers.  Do we know how many are going to manufacturers?

At the turn of the century, the authorized strength was 860,000 of which about 25% was vacant. But then, there was almost 1.2 million soldiers. As for the repair plants, most were taken over by the Manufacturer. A lot of these plants were aircraft, ships and armored vehicles etc. All things that could be done best by the manufacture anyway. It will free up around 34,000 troops for front line duties from the non-medical side part alone.    
Not sure what ended up in regards to the Medical Service. At one point they were transferring 16,000 positions from servicemen to civilians but then decided that was too extreme. I suspect about half ended up getting transferred.

franco wrote:OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.

For starters, the original plan was 1,000,000 service people. Of these, 70,000 would be in Military Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers. The remaining 890,000 would be in Units.
As of January 1st, there were 220,000 Officers and Warrants along with 295,000 contractors, 279,000 conscripts and around 56,000 cadets.
And 90.5% of the positions were filled (I now take that to mean of the Units already formed)
The goal for contractors is 352,000 by the end of this year, 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020.

So if all goes to plan by the end of 2020, there would be 719,000 professionals, 56,000 cadets and 225,000 conscripts.

What actually happens remains to be seen.

sepheronx wrote:

franco wrote:OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.

For starters, the original plan was 1,000,000 service people. Of these, 70,000 would be in Military Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers. The remaining 890,000 would be in Units.
As of January 1st, there were 220,000 Officers and Warrants along with 295,000 contractors, 279,000 conscripts and around 56,000 cadets.
And 90.5% of the positions were filled (I now take that to mean of the Units already formed)
The goal for contractors is 352,000 by the end of this year, 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020.

So if all goes to plan by the end of 2020, there would be 719,000 professionals, 56,000 cadets and 225,000 conscripts.

What actually happens remains to be seen.

I recall reading articles that half of the soldiers are contract based.  That there are no contract soldiers on major ships/subs and aircrafts.

Werewolf wrote:

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

Werewolf wrote:

franco wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

- Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
- 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
- 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
- 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

Taking the Southern District as example. Smallest land wise but probably tied for second in Military manpower.

Plants - one for AFV repairs, one for automotive, one for armaments, one for aircraft
Logistic Bases - four includes one in the Crimea
Ammo Depots - three including one in the Crimea
Technical Depot - two

All are now multiservice as opposed to each branch doing their own plus it seems to be a more pushing supplies forward as opposed to multiple small facilities dragging supplies from the rear.

Logstic supply chains are tactical targets, the less you have the easier they are to target then several dozens or hundreds. The more focused supply and logistics with more effeciency is of course good but not limiting their tactical deployment to some few bases.

sepheronx wrote:There is a possibility that this is kind of like one of those moves of a "let us see what happens".  I imagine that once this is completed, they will determine if they need more facilities of logistics and storage then go from there.  This may be a smart way of doing it to see how much it would cost and maintain.  Because I also see that it is heavily bloated too because that is a ton of logistics facilities.

But then again, Franco, you stated they went from logistic facilities to logistic bases.  Question would be, how many facilities for one base?  If it breaks down to that, then that really isn't bad and yes, much easier to defend.

franco wrote:

sepheronx wrote:There is a possibility that this is kind of like one of those moves of a "let us see what happens".  I imagine that once this is completed, they will determine if they need more facilities of logistics and storage then go from there.  This may be a smart way of doing it to see how much it would cost and maintain.  Because I also see that it is heavily bloated too because that is a ton of logistics facilities.

But then again, Franco, you stated they went from logistic facilities to logistic bases.  Question would be, how many facilities for one base?  If it breaks down to that, then that really isn't bad and yes, much easier to defend.

Freeing up 34,000 soldiers for front line units is also very important in my estimate. That is like being able to man 8 new combat brigades.