Russian Ground Forces: News #2

So regarding the helicopter rockets fire incident. So apparently it was the fault of the fire control system. Once its master system was turned on, it instantly fired the rockets. So there seemed to have been a malfunction with it as it detected the trigger to fire when it shouldn't have. So I imagine they will have to ground Ka-52's to find out why this malfunctioned happened.

As for Poland making really stupid comments, you don't have to go far and see Ukraine makes the same equal stupid comments. If Poolacks are dumb enough to vote these people in and believe their horseshit, they deserve everything bad they get as a people. Fuck them.

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PapaDragon wrote:
An unusual article by legendary ultra-liberal parasite Mary Dejevsky

Russia was the target of Nato's own fake news

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russia-zapad-2017-putin-west-fake-news-us-world-war-three-ukraine-belarus-nato-a7961856.html

And if content isn't unusual enough you also have the joy of watching neocon fluffers accusing her of all people of being Russian stooge in the comment section. Liberal revolution truly eats it's own children...  

Well nothing beats Polish MoD Maciarewicz. He said that Russia is going to use nukes during Zapad maneuvers. Then his spokesman explained that this was about nuclear assault on Warsaw. But  he is a beautiful mind anyway.

See this is why I am against ban on nuclear tests. 

3 decades without a mushroom cloud and everyone thinks that nukes are toys to be used at random and that WW3 will look like Call of Duty 4... . 

Russian Ground Forces to hold 7 international exercises next year — commander

The exercises will involve servicemen from more than ten states

MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. The Russian Ground Forces plan to hold seven joint international military exercises, involving servicemen from over 10 states, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces Col. Gen. Oleg Salyukov said in an interview published on Friday.

"As far as joint international exercises are concerned, year 2018 will have a more intense schedule. We plan seven exercises involving army units from more than ten states," he said in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda paper.

During the next year, Russia will be visited by chiefs of ground forces of India, China, Japan, Indonesia, Laos and Thailand. Russian ground forces representatives, in turn, will visit Chile, China, India and Algeria.

Two international exercises are to take place until the end of 2017 - the Russian-Indian Indra-2017 exercise on October 19-29 and the Unbreakable Brotherhood war games within the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), to be held in Kazakhstan in October.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/968049

Tactical exercises at the Predboy training ground

Practicing to fight ISIS...

Today is Ground Forces Day (October 1st)

https://www.youtube.com/embed/8FKD4-FxUXI?rel=0&wmode=transparent

Western MD formations received about 200 samples of armament

Units of the Western military district combined-arms army with its headquarters located in the Voronezh region are reequipped and set.

“Units and headquarters of motorised rifle divisions in 2017 received about 200 samples of armaments, military and special hardware. There are BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-82A armoured personnel carriers, BREM-1 armoured repair-and-evacuation vehicles, 2A65 Msta-B, KamAZ-5350 Mustang and KamAZ-63501 Medved’, 9K51M Tornado-G multiple-launch missile systems, MTO-UB2 universal maintenance workshops, REM-KL repair-and-evacuation wheel cars, Tigr and Rys’ armoured automobiles,” said Commander of the WMD combined-arms army Major General Alexander Peryazev.

Also by the end of this year, it is planned to receive about 50 units of military and special hardware. Automobile and armoured vehicles, missile-and-artillery armaments are among them.

http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12144438@egNews

Expedition of advanced technology for the Russian Ministry of Defense in the desert





















https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2883125.html

^^^ if i may ask, where is that place? I didn't imagine there is a vast desert spot inside Russia, must be somewhere in Astrakhan?

Project Canada wrote:^^^ if i may ask, where is that place? I didn't  imagine there is a vast desert spot inside Russia, must be somewhere in Astrakhan?

Astrakhan region and Kalmykia

Today is Military Communications Day.

Not noticed by many but one of the major improvements that has happened and continues happening is the major upgrade in Military Communications throughout the Russian Defense Forces. The Georgian military action revealed how poor the system had sunk to and how important it was to have. Immense amount of money and new equipment purchases have gone into this along with a supporting very deep IT complex.

A detailed look into some of the new communication systems in the Russian Military;

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20171020/1507250220.html

Is that just for military use?

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Western MD artillery units receive Shturm-S AT system

http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12156452@egNews

A view of the changes in the Ground Forces in 2017 by a Web blogger;

Following the 144th, 150th and 42nd, the 3rd Motorized Infantry Division received its banners. It's time to calculate the strength of the military ground grouping of Russia, which has increased and decreased.
All data are taken from open sources. All calculated figures from the evil one are my subjective judgments.

Over the past year, the management of the 14th Army Corps, the 236th Artillery Brigade, the 171st Airborne Assault Battalion, two separate self-propelled artillery battalions of high power, five tank companies in the Marine Corps brigades have been reorganized. The formation of the 90th Tank, 3rd, 42nd, 144th and 150th Motorized Rifle Divisions, the 30th Motorized Rifle Brigade, and six separate tank companies as part of the Airborne Forces units were completed. In Wikipedia they write that, in the 106th Airborne Division, there is also a tank company, but I have not yet confirmed any evidence.
In total, there are two hundred and forty-five motorized rifle, machine-gunning, artillery, flamethrower, engineer-assault, assault-landing, parachute-landing battalions and marine infantry battalions in the Land Forces, the troops of the RHBB, the engineer troops, the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps, three separate engineering and assault companies, eighty-two tank battalions, sixteen separate tank companies, one hundred and thirty howitzer artillery battalions, seven gun artillery battalions, thirty-nine reactive artillery battalions (MLRS Grad / Tornado-G), forty-seven anti-tank artillery battalions, eight separate self-propelled artillery high power artillery battalions, eight separate self-propelled artillery battalions (NONA-propelled guns C / NONA-CRS / Host), one hundred ninety-one mortar battery.

Now on the movement of the main types of weapons.

Tanks
New tanks in the troops for the year (as well as the last fifteen years) were not received. The volume of supplies of the upgraded T-72B / T-72B3 / T-80BV tanks is no more than 400 units. It is known that for the 2nd quarter of 2017, Uralvagonzavod sent 51 T-72B3 to the Ground Forces, and the 61st BTRZ - 49 upgraded T-72Bs.In total, about 3,200 tanks are in combat units, half of the tanks are likely to be conserved. The average age of our armored vehicles is "a little over thirty," but the pace of modernization of the tank fleet is quite satisfactory.

Large-caliber artillery.
Here everything is ambiguous. New artillery formations receive guns of caliber 152 mm - towed 2A65 Msta-B, self-propelled 2S19 Msta-S and 2C3 Acacia. But unfortunately, the share of new and modernized guns is depressingly low. For the second quarter, only eight modernized self-propelled howitzers 2S3M and two new self-propelled howitzers 2S19M2 were received. In total for the year about 20 new self-propelled guns 2S19M2 and about thirty modernized 2C3M and 2S19M1 were received. A total of about 1,700 artillery systems with a caliber of 152 mm, of which five are new and modernized in recent years - no more than four hundred. In connection with the deployment of new compounds, there was a shortage of guns with a caliber of 152 mm. In November 2017, information appeared on the extension of the services of self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika", which indicates the cancellation of the decision on the gradual withdrawal of 122 mm artillery systems from the Army. In total, about 700 artillery systems with the caliber of 122 mm - self-propelled howitzers 2S1 and towed D-30 guns in the combat troops

Infantry and landing combat vehicles, armored personnel carriers
For the second quarter, the troops received 35 new BMP-3. A total of about 100 new BMP-3s, 62 new BMD-4Ms, 20 new BTR-MDs, and about 100 new BTR-82A were received in a year. Also, the troops received repaired and modernized equipment - at least 400 BMP, BMD and BTR units. The 81st BTRZ alone reported the dispatch of 160 BTR-80 / 82AM to the troops for the year.

Reactive artillery
The 3rd and 144th motorized rifle divisions received more than twenty new Tornado-G systems

I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?

miketheterrible wrote:I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?

Was watching some military show few days ago on RTR-Planeta which partially covered what you are wondering. It was about last 3 decades and few attempts by different men to reshape armed forces of Russia, which went to complete confusion as every new goverment and every new chief of staff/def minister pushed his own idea, so you had 3 or 4 different overhauls of military and none completed. And as one general said: "We decide something, agree on it, President signs it and then we "notice" there are no funds or cappacities for it, and it never goes pass papers".

Now when you look though last 30 years, regarding the tanks only, idea first was to throw away T-80s as they are expencive to operate and to stick with T-90s and produce more. It all ended with fiasco as there was very little money to produce them, existing ones went mostly in disrepair and T-72s stayed as mainstray with minor updates, T-80s mostly got pushed from service.

Then you had idea to do major modernisations of T-72s. Which they started with ambitious Rogatka modernisation, which...oh well... was too expencive and stalled.

Then there was idea to produce more T-90s and modernise T-72s in less ambitious way. T-90 production ceased completely, T-72B3 updates came around.

Now you have Armata, which is to be future tank... but you have T-72B3/B3M modernisations and T-80s modernisations and... T90 modernisations...

Now they are probably still not sure how soon Armata can enter serial production, what will be the final cost per hull, how many they will be able to afford, at which pace and if modernisation of existing tanks is waste or not. Then you probably have guys that are aganist modernisation, guys that are in favor of saving funds for Armata.. or some other projects that they consider more important. Its never one guy that decides.. more like... 100 and everyone has own opinion.

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?

Was watching some military show few days ago on RTR-Planeta which partially covered what you are wondering. It was about last 3 decades and few attempts by different men to reshape armed forces of Russia, which went to complete confusion as every new goverment and every new chief of staff/def minister pushed his own idea, so you had 3 or 4 different overhauls of military and none completed. And as one general said: "We decide something, agree on it, President signs it and then we "notice" there are no funds or cappacities for it, and it never goes pass papers".

Now when you look though last 30 years, regarding the tanks only, idea first was to throw away T-80s as they are expencive to operate and to stick with T-90s and produce more. It all ended with fiasco as there was very little money to produce them, existing ones went mostly in disrepair and T-72s stayed as mainstray with minor updates, T-80s mostly got pushed from service.

Then you had idea to do major modernisations of T-72s. Which they started with ambitious Rogatka modernisation, which...oh well... was too expencive and stalled.

Then there was idea to produce more T-90s and modernise T-72s in less ambitious way. T-90 production ceased completely, T-72B3 updates came around.

Now you have Armata, which is to be future tank... but you have T-72B3/B3M modernisations and T-80s modernisations and... T90 modernisations...

Now they are probably still not sure how soon Armata can enter serial production, what will be the final cost per hull, how many they will be able to afford, at which pace and if modernisation of existing tanks is waste or not. Then you probably have guys that are aganist modernisation, guys that are in favor of saving funds for Armata.. or some other projects that they consider more important. Its never one guy that decides.. more like... 100 and everyone has own opinion.

That makes a lot of sense, from the late 90's to late 2000's, no one had a specific goal or idea what to do with it. Nothing compared to the Airforce in terms of planning and engagement - something the people dealing with procurement in ground forces should have figured out.

- Kept all T-72's and T-80's in action/reserves
- Then disbanded use of T-80's besides a few units
- Built T-90A's which were very good
- Decided to quit making T-90A's
- Came up with countless upgrades to T-72's
- Finally came up with a cheap interim upgrade to T-72's (B3/M)
- Came out with working Armata Tanks, very promising
- Showcasing upgraded T-90M's and T-80 upgrades, making them very modern and capable
- Still no exact plan.....

If they just stuck to an idea/platform, even during tougher years where money wasn't available (but produced in lower numbers), then T-90's would have been dirt cheap by now, with plenty in service, and having an upgrade (T-90M) that could be fielded in a rather short period of time which then all T-80's that were eventually disbanded could have been replaced slowly by Armata's while T-90M would end up being mainstay of the army's tank forces. This would have been cheaper and ultimately, best idea in terms of having a modern capable tank forces and having the numbers behind them.

But too many decisions. Cutting decisions. Creating new decisions. Cutting those decisions. Then going back to old decisions makes very little sense. Now because of the lack of forces, they have to up the number of tanks to keep in reserve (for getting rid of 10,000 tanks, its only going to be what, 5,000 - 6,000 tanks being recycled and rest will be in reserves). That will make logistics rather expensive and just upkeeping them to make even majority of those operational isn't going to be fun either.

While the airforce, were aircrafts cost 30x more than a tank, are coming out in decent numbers and good, solid procurement plans. Heck, even ground forces in terms of missile forces, artillery and light forces have a better plan.

I think now we will wait and see what Armata brings us. But I have a feeling that the Russian government may just borrow technologies learned from Armata and apply them to current tanks/upgrade to current tanks and have Armata's in very low production rate till they get the numbers they want.

Unless they decide something else later on down the line....