Syrian War: News #19

starman wrote:

medo wrote: Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

So you don't believe the Kuwaiti report of Israeli F-35s flying undetected over Iran?

Most definitely not. F-35 or F-22 are not stealth against L band radar. High frequency radar will have no issue seeing those stealth jets. It is tabloid claims like "600 dead Russians by US airforce in Syria" claims.

So you don't believe the Kuwaiti report of Israeli F-35s flying undetected over Iran?

If they are so stealthy why don't they keep a pair of them operating over Damascus 24/7...

When they have dared attack Iranian forces in Syria it has been from outside Syrian airspace... if they are invisible then why?

This is the new primary fighter of NATO that is barely getting into service and it wont enter Syrian airspace against S-300s and S-200s?

I thought Israeli countermeasures were supposed to be the best in the world...

To annoy Israel. Russia should help IRAN airforce ,to build a powerful modern one and provide IRAN with nuclear weapons..

No, they should not provide Iran with nuclear weapons... what they should do is sign an agreement on joint space exploration and take some Iranian specialists up to the ISS. They should also stop selling rocket engines to the US and start selling them to Iran and North Korea (so they can keep making them).

Note these rocket motors would not be much good for ICBMs... as they use cryogenic fuels that can't be stored in the missile, so really only good for space launches, but I am sure there would be plenty to learn for the NKs and Iranians.

Iran has 100s of missiles that can hit oil facilities & US bases in the Persian Gulf & Afghanistan, besides Israeli Dimona in retaliation, just like NK vs. Seoul/US bases in SK & Japan.

Sales of Iskander to Iran would mean a 300km range version of the missile that should be able to block off the persian gulf with an anti ship missile no known defences could stop... in a small mobile package...

The Iranians could simply flood Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan with MANPADS and ATGMs and demand US forces leave... they fought a war of attrition in the 1980s... I think I know who will blink first when the body bags wrapped in the stars and stripes start arriving home... that was the main reason Trump was elected... getting america out of wars in shit hole little countries that have nothing to do with the defence of america and everything to do with protecting and enhancing the wealth of a few americans that fund both political parties that are rich beyond any reason...

Tsavo Lion wrote:

To annoy Israel. Russia should help IRAN airforce ,to build a powerful modern one and provide IRAN with nuclear weapons..

Nonsense! With the NPT dead, the USA will be free to give nukes to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Taiwan & Ukraine.
Russia doesn't need an all out war between Iran & Israel that will drag in USA, France, UK & possibly China.

The U.S. never ratified the Non-Proliferation Treaty. In 1996 Bill Clinton signed the NPT, but just like the Kyoto Treaty, U.S. Congress never ratified it. The U.S. will never give nukes to Egypt (because they favor Israel too much), nor Taiwan and Ukraine, because that would a Prima Faci case of Casus Beli, meaning you could justify a immediate invasion of those states just off the pretext.

OT but too funny to not post.... Nuttyahoo and Bolsonaro in case anyone was wondering, inspired by their big hug after the Brazilian presidents in auguration...

Jews of course have no fucking sense of humour, and some of them are suing the cartoonist. Clearly they detected the smell of money...

Iran doesn't really need any missile tech from anyone. Same with NK. Both just need better guidance systems to increase accuracy. Only thing Iskander can provide. Other than that, their missiles are already sufficient.

Big_Gazza wrote:OT but too funny to not post....  Nuttyahoo and Bolsonaro in case anyone was wondering, inspired by their big hug after the Brazilian presidents in auguration...  

Jews of course have no fucking sense of humour, and some of them are suing the cartoonist. Clearly they detected the smell of money...

Of course they did, that's what the hook nose is about.

starman wrote:

medo wrote: Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

So you don't believe the Kuwaiti report of Israeli F-35s flying undetected over Iran?

Invisible planes to radars is a myth invented by NATO ,to scare nations and promote
the invincibility of western Stealth planes.. like F-117 , F-22 ,B-2 and F-35..





But as you see there a Russian pilot ,uploaded on its account on instagram the photo he took
of an F-22 in syria that was trying to sneak undetected.. and the Su-35 detected thanks
to its Infra Red sensors and advanced radars..  

 If Russia was at war with US..in Syria , that plane will have been an easy shot.
and the F-22 pilot not aware what hit them..  since the nose of the plane can see anything behind ,
the Russian was on the blind spot of the American pilot.  

https://www.voltairenet.org/article204748.html

Stealth is useful from long distances.. but to fly above another country airspace is suicide..
any descent radar will spot an F-22 easily from ~50km distance of a SAM battery.

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#BREAKING: Numerous Iron Dome batteries being deployed in various areas of Israel including near Jerusalem & Tel Aviv. Kan 11 News reports "Decree 8" ordered for air defences which means mobilisation of Iron Dome Unit reservists

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A hostile strike on #Syria is highly expected

The next encounter might trun into major escalation

Edit: maybe for tonight.

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#UPDATE: IDF has intelligence that #Iran will attempt to retaliate against #Israel. Senior IDF officials warn that #Israel will not hold back at all in face of any attack carried out by #Iran or their proxies.

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#BREAKING: Numerous Iron Dome batteries being deployed in various areas of Israel including near Jerusalem & Tel Aviv. Kan 11 News reports "Decree 8" ordered for air defences which means mobilisation of Iron Dome Unit reservists

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A hostile strike on #Syria is highly expected

The next encounter might trun into major escalation

Edit: maybe for tonight.

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#UPDATE: IDF has intelligence that #Iran will attempt to retaliate against #Israel. Senior IDF officials warn that #Israel will not hold back at all in face of any attack carried out by #Iran or their proxies.

Bentyahoo is doing most of this for politically reasons.

For the retaliation, Russia can't do it, Iran shouldn't, it should be the SAA. It is only the SAA, that have the legal right to defend themselves. There are lot's of reasons for the these attacks, some of them being, the elections, Bentyahoo is trying to gain a upper hand in the upcoming elections, the SAA won't be full trained on the S-300 system for a couple more months and Jews might be desperate.





The Kurds are not listening to Russia and Syria, they made demands which are unreasonable and will not work, the only way to deal with the Kurds is let the Turks take care of them.

Bad news..

Putin and Erdogan in disagreement over Turkey demands of a safe zone..

Putin, Erdogan meeting ends without Syria deal on Turkish 'safe zone'

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-tns-bc-russia-turkey-20190124-story.html


So the true face of Erdogan and its relation with Putin will be seen in the next days or weeks..
Because Erdogan is doubling down that he have the right to invade Syria while at the same time ,
he blocks Russia from defeating the terrorist in Idlib treatening Russia and Syria. It will be interesting
to say the least.. because a major confrontation between Syria and Turkey could happen soon
over Manbji and Russia will have to take syrian side and bomb erdogan backed terrorist trying to advance..
The real future of Syria , and in which side Turkey is.. and the future of Turkey - Russia relations will be known
in next days /few weeks.. and looks like Kurds , Syria and Russia will end on same side.. and US will backstab
kurds ,if see a potential of Turkey and Russia fighting.. for north of syria.

Who cares if the Turks go in and clean up the Kurds... they picked the US as an ally, not Russia and certainly not Assad so who cares if they get to fight Turkey... Hopefully Turkey will send their terrorists from idlib to do most of the fighting so two groups opposed to Assad can fight it out.

Personally I think the entire area of Idlib should be carpet bombed... any civilians there are choosing to live with terrorists... which pretty much makes them terrorists of the supporting families of terrorists... their loss in combat will not be that big a deal... but of course the west will bawl like a baby at every death or injury... the sky is falling and the west has to intervene... they wont take them as refuges but Russia can't kill them either...

GarryB wrote:Who cares if the Turks go in and clean up the Kurds... they picked the US as an ally, not Russia and certainly not Assad so who cares if they get to fight Turkey... Hopefully Turkey will send their terrorists from idlib to do most of the fighting so two groups opposed to Assad can fight it out.

I think Syria should care if the fighting happens in their territories. When the Turks manage to send troops to Syria land, I suspect it is hard to pluck them out.

On my opinion, forcing the Kurds to submit is much easier that forcing the Turks to abandon the territories that they already occupied. So if the Kurds have to be punished then SAA must be the one give the strike.

There is no disagreement I reckon, both Erdogan and Putin are extremely experienced politicians and they use this good-bad cop game to deal with YPG sooner than later.
If there was any disagreement, Erdogan wouldn't support Maduro so wholeheartedly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HanaComani/status/1089147540145098752

Turkish hardware (tanks, vehicles...) destroyed by kurds civilians at their base

On my opinion, forcing the Kurds to submit is much easier that forcing the Turks to abandon the territories that they already occupied. So if the Kurds have to be punished then SAA must be the one give the strike.

If Turkey wanted to expand their empire they would have attacked the Kurds already before they could negotiate with Assad and come to an agreement.

Turkey wants to destroy the Kurds to eliminate them as a threat to Turkey via the PKK.

JohninMK wrote:Quite a fair analysis on the Israeli attack last week.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israel-kamikaze-drones-are-destroying-syria%E2%80%99s-air-defenses-42592

But his analysis is wrong from the start.. to not say just pure propaganda..
he made it look.. that Israel was "Defending itself" and "retaliated after Iran attacked israel "

Reality was that there was 2 major attacks and the missiles fired to Israel ,was not IRAN but Syrian army
who did it. . in retaliation to Israel first earlier attack .that fireid 7 missiles and later all of them intercepted..

hours later.. Israel counter attack again with near 50 missiles after the humiliating failure of the previous
attack.. and managed to penetrate the defenses not surprisingly through saturation attacks.. Something
that any air defense in the world can be vulnerable.. Because Israel have an unlimited supply from US of missiles..
it can continue doing this forever.. so it will be expensive for Russia to solve any security problems by just giving
more pantsirs to Syria..  and a major OFFENSIVE against Israel will be required with all their planes attacking
Syria shoot down by S-300s to send a real strong message to Israel ,that their agression to Syria will be incredibly painful and expensive for them.. if continue.. its attacks.. and will lose a lot of planes and even risk their bases hit if don't stop attacking Syria.

Any analysis that did not mention the words Rules of Combat/Rules of engagement.. that Russia have in Syria will give the false impression that Russian S-300s and S-400s can't shoot down israeli planes.. when is not a technical limitation at all.. but a Political limitation ,that Russia auto impose on itself of focusing only in the missiles but not the planes.. ,to avoid a full scale war with Israel That Russia don't want for the moment to happen.

JohninMK wrote:Quite a fair analysis on the Israeli attack last week.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israel-kamikaze-drones-are-destroying-syria%E2%80%99s-air-defenses-42592

Well I guess it’s also why the Iranians have always planned for such attacks themselves on israel with their missiles, rendering iron dome useless by the 3rd wave.

From memory their navy is prepared for the water based equivalent, a swarm attack by using tiny missile boats.

Very hard to defeat this type of attack. In Syria’s case, the lack or experience and hardware compels matters for them. They most probably need a shed more equipment and definitely a shed more training and live experience. But by the end of this conflict, battle hardened they’ll be and that’ll eventually come back to bite the israelis.

Very hard to defeat this type of attack

If you are trying to win with defensing weapons only, you will loose.

Israel wouldn't be able to support even smaller load of missile specially if they face cruise missiles. Their IADS is good against lonely small rockets. But neither iran nor syria have enough weapons to attack.

They could play the same tricks the US and Israel does... lots of little hard to detect UAVs attacking when a civilian aircraft is coming in to land... fit them with all sorts of things like guns or bombs or missiles... Iran is no slouch when it comes to armed UAVs... lets see them have some fun... and mark all the parts Made in the USA...

Israel wouldn't be able to support even smaller load of missile specially if they face cruise missiles. Their IADS is good against lonely small rockets.  But neither iran nor syria have enough weapons to attack.

Pretty sure they have enough ballistic and cruise missilies to saturate, though how accurate the guidance systems are I cannot comment. But you would think if their airfields were swamped, israel power is more than halved straight away would it not?

Of course I’m speaking hypothetically here and not for one minute suggesting this little dust up would result in attacks on israel, more an option to help neutralise their air capability the exact same way Syria’s air def is being attacked.