Syrian War: News #19

Tsavo Lion wrote:

They are all launching their missiles from Lebanon.

Syria &/ Russia could give S-300/-400s to Lebanese to defend their airspace & prevent the IAF coming anywhere close to it. Also, the VMF could send a few ships to cover approaches to Lebanon from the sea.
I'm surprised it wasn't done by now.

Lebanon so far refused due to US and Israel pressure.

Mindstorm wrote:

Austin wrote:

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1087213735171764224


Pantsir s1 destroyed.

It looks like 2-3 missile were fired at the PGM but it could not hit it , why so ? Was Pantsir radar was jammed or something else ?

The first system engaged 99% is not a Панцирь-С1 , Deliah missile is a very trivial target for a working Панцирь-С1 as repeatedly proved in all latest years, moreover at range of 3km or less the twin cannon would have been employed (even more times, in the very very unlikely instance that the first salvo would have not downed that very slow missile at the first attempt).

The Панцирь-С1 instead successfully engaged is ,exactly like the previous one: a motionless unmanned ,not working one.

As said previously those attempts are conducted on a regular basis by part of Israel against Syrian SAM systems (in particular after one of theirs attack become totally neutralized) naturally employing exclusively stand-off range weapons and often from ground launchers after an air attack, in order to caught, from time to time, a scarcely professional SAM crew out of service because, by then, the air raid alert would have stoped.

Those attacks obviously fail in the wide majority of instances, but when an unwisely unmanned Панцирь-С1 is caught Israeli authorities rush to show the trophy  

In one video the Pantsir was firing multiple missiles which looks like was engaging multiple targets. So it looks like the other Pantsir destroyed was overwhelmed in a saturated attack.

A naval CIWS mount is what they need there!
In some cases, CIWS are used on land to protect military bases. In this case, the CIWS can also protect the base from shell and rocket fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system

CIWS are also used in a land-based anti-mortar and missile defense role to protect fixed and temporary bases and other facilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system#Land-based

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashtan_CIWS

Israel’s Syria bombing ineffective against Iran, alienates Russia

Allow a pause . Allow for quiet . Even if you have the right to retaliate right away . Do a heavier counterstrike next time . Wait for next usraeli offensive . THEN put on tv . Radio . Then a heavy retaliatory strike . Like that . RIP to all those who were unjustly killed .

Tsavo Lion wrote:A naval CIWS mount is what they need there!
In some cases, CIWS are used on land to protect military bases. In this case, the CIWS can also protect the base from shell and rocket fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system

CIWS are also used in a land-based anti-mortar and missile defense role to protect fixed and temporary bases and other facilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system#Land-based

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashtan_CIWS

Israel’s Syria bombing ineffective against Iran, alienates Russia

All CIWS could engage only 1 target simultaneously, not 4 like Pantsir. Attack was done with many missiles, not 1.

nomadski wrote:Allow a pause . Allow for quiet . Even if you have the right to retaliate right away   . Do a heavier counterstrike next time . Wait for next usraeli offensive . THEN  put on tv . Radio . Then a heavy retaliatory strike . Like that . RIP to all those who were unjustly killed .

It seems the IDF warned Syria that they were going to daylight attack Iranian targets so don't stop us. The SAA activated their air defences, in defiance of the Israelis plus fired a couple of missiles at them (Israel claimed it was Iranians who fired them from an area Iranians weren't supposed to be). Then to teach the Syrians a lesson for not following their orders the IAF launched a saturation attack that night.

There is a good video out there showing SAM launch, flight then impact. The third video down in this thread, the square format black one about 2 mins long.

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1087422467902263296

All CIWS could engage only 1 target simultaneously, not 4 like Pantsir. Attack was done with many missiles, not 1.

They can be manually operated & unleash a barrage of projectiles like the Iraqis did in the Desert Storm. They could also use unguided rocket launchers off ground attack helos/planes & mount them on trucks/roofs &/ put in dug in positions as well for perimeter defense.

miketheterrible wrote:In one video the Pantsir was firing multiple missiles which looks like was engaging multiple targets.

Do you see two Панцирь-С1 ?

I see one Панцирь-С1 ......and exactly like the last time an unmanned not working one.....and what is likely an upgraded "Оса" attempting disordinately to engage the incoming PGM from less than the minimum engagement range allowed (from that G-force pull limits come from the strange behaviour of the interceptor missiles just after the delivery).

On the Панцирь-С1 instead the twin cannon has been puposely integrated for those instances.

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1087213735171764224


Pantsir s1 destroyed.

After looking at the video carefully,the chassis front doesn't look remotely similar to the ones used on the BUK or TOR systems, in fact it looks more similar to the OSA system.

That would be my best guess.

miketheterrible wrote:

Nope.

Russia's base in Syria would be liquidated rather quickly in a saturated attack if Israel is hit directly by Russia.  Bibi wont back down, he has uncle sham backing him 110% thanks to the brown nosers in the Senate.

and thats what i hope they do.. or sink a big Russian warship..
Because that will force Putin the polite teddy bear President to remove the gloves off and strike
Israel military bases.. and even a tactical very small nuclear strike on Israel base will be the ultimate message
to The Zionist forces ,that Russia is not afraid to a war with ISrael.. and if continue attacking Syria ,they will suffer
devastating consequences.. but as long Putin's continues in power , is unlikely that Russia will do nothing major
to Israel unless they suffer a direct attack of Israel that they can't hide..

This goes back ,to what i said . that Putin could have avoided the Syrian conflict..
and even Syria not even a target of NATO and ISrael , if Syria was like Jordan or Lebanon.. a loyal ally
of France or NATO . The Anglo zionist powers are at war with Russia.. is an undeclared slow proxy war against Russia.. what Syria and Ukraine are ,and soon Venezuela and IRAN too.. their battlefields.. what all those countries that Anglo jews attack.. all have something in common ,what is? that they are independent from washington and telaviv policies. and allied to Russia ,so they are place on the hit list..

There's a prophecy in the New Testament that Israel will be destroyed by a certain Northern King. https://www.gotquestions.org/Russia-end-times.html
https://endtimestruth.com/world-war-iii/the-attack-of-china/

In any case, PGMs & tactical nukes r powerful enough to do that.

miketheterrible wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Corruption =/= mad man.
Dictator =/= mad man.

Every life lost as it relates to the war effort in Syria counts. The number is high - too high. Causation and correlation.

A no-fly zone protects Syrian airspace. A defense pact protect Syria from stand-off strikes from the obvious target. The simple argumentation that any Israeli air strike or missile strike in Syria is a direct threat to the life of Russian servicemen is more than enough to justify a response and clearly set the rule in place to avoid the exploitation of the "loophole". But you know this.

he would be more than willing to sacrifice his people if he gets what he wants in the end.  He is already doing that.  Only Israeli's stupid enough not to fall for it are just being ignored anyway.  The rest support his dictator policies.

Oh well, we are going in circles here.  You disagree with me and I disagree with you.  You wont convince me and I wont convince you.  Instead of going in circles here, its better to agree in disagreement.  Im fine with that.

I am more concerned about members here thinking that Israeli fighter jets Jam a AD system from very, very far away and not being able to read about what a saturated attack is and how many missiles were used.....

I understand the essence of your points - argumentation was just a bit shaky. Perfectly fine to agree to disagree. Yeah odd thing was not seeing the twin-cannons engaging - they behave like a CWIS for this sort of situation and it's mainly while they're there... terminal phase engagement when you run out of missiles or the missiles fail to take out the target(s). A lot is being made of that video... the dust has to settle.

@ vann7

The Russians can play good cop . Syrians can play bad cop . No need for nukes . A man living in relative comfort , even finds the song of a bird as disturbing . A few missiles inside usraeli towns will prove to be unbearable to the public and politicians . For a man in extreme discomfort , extra pain makes little difference . How many times can you destroy an already destroyed ruin ?  Even heavy air attacks by usraelis against syrian cities will prove useless . However counterstrikes must be well timed and large enough to be socially and politically significant . They must at least  force the population into shelters . If usraelis launch ground offensive  then Syria  can have reserves  and ask for help . Prepare the ground for them .  Strike back .

higurashihougi wrote:Supply from Iran for Hizbollah is not stopped.

But what percentage of it has gotten through? Israel has destroyed a lot of stuff these past few years.

starman wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Supply from Iran for Hizbollah is not stopped.

But what percentage of it has gotten through? Israel has destroyed a lot of stuff these past few years.

Not really. The explosions would have been much bigger everytime if those buildings they attacked were full of ballistic missiles.

Iranians seems to be smarter and manage to send huge amounts of everything everytime and they probably used those russian ships to transfert the most sensitive stuff so that israeli can't attack them.

Moreover russians probably give them the positions in real time of israeli satelittes so that they can't follow trucks used by iran/hezbollah.

Isos wrote:

starman wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Supply from Iran for Hizbollah is not stopped.

But what percentage of it has gotten through? Israel has destroyed a lot of stuff these past few years.

Not really. The explosions would have been much bigger everytime if those buildings they attacked were full of ballistic missiles.

Iranians seems to be smarter and manage to send huge amounts of everything everytime and they probably used those russian ships to transfert the most sensitive stuff so that israeli can't attack them.

Moreover russians probably give them the positions in real time of israeli satelittes so that they can't follow trucks used by iran/hezbollah.

Actually Iran doesn't need russian informations. Iran have big OTH radar with range of 3000 km and 300 km in altitude and it works in 360^o. With this big radar Iran follow whole air traffic over Syria, Lebanon and Israel as well as low altitude satelittes, so they know, when US and Israeli satelittes arecrossing that region. Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

Nearly there.

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medo wrote:
Actually Iran doesn't need russian informations. Iran have big OTH radar with range of 3000 km and 300 km in altitude and it works in 360^o.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/iran-can-now-detect-u-s-stealth-jets-at-long-range-765efd6253e2

https://www.rt.com/news/271801-iran-early-warning-radar/

https://theiranproject.com/blog/2018/12/16/iran-possesses-100-indigenous-air-surveillance-radar-system/

Those radars can be attacked with CMs or cyber warfare; even if they do work as claimed, Russia will likely warn Iran just in case they miss anything, if only to look good & avoid being accused of betrayal.

medo wrote:

Actually Iran doesn't need russian informations. Iran have big OTH radar with range of 3000 km and 300 km in altitude and it works in 360^o. With this big radar Iran follow whole air traffic over Syria, Lebanon and Israel as well as low altitude satelittes, so they know, when US and Israeli satelittes arecrossing that region. Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

Iranian radars were made in Russia. Even the electronic warfare they used ,to steal the American
stealth drone was Russian. RUssia and CHina are the main suppliers of weapons to IRAN..
Iran home made missiles are copies from North korea missiles ,that are copies from Chinese ones.
weird enough IRAN airforce is from American Planes.. So only useful against low level ground attacks..
but useless for controlling air supremacy.

As a matter of fact.. To annoy Israel. Russia should help IRAN airforce ,to build a powerful modern
one and provide IRAN with nuclear weapons.. Nothing will scare more Israel.. than dozens of kamikazi
Iranian jet , armed with a small nuclear warhead.. flying over israel airspace.. if they fire an air to ground missile
it will manage to enter deep in Israel territory before is intercepted. THe nuke don't even need to hit the ground..
to work.. it can be detonated at high altitude.

Actually Iran doesn't need russian informations. Iran have big OTH radar with range of 3000 km and 300 km in altitude and it works in 360o. With this big radar Iran follow whole air traffic over Syria, Lebanon and Israel as well as low altitude satelittes, so they know, when US and Israeli satelittes arecrossing that region. Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

Russian systems are far better. They also have spy satelittes. So they know which sat belongs to which country.

Iranian are less advanced. There are thousand of satelittes and objects in the sky.

And OTH are not always working good. You need very good weather to have clear pictures and I doubt Iran can track low flying fighters abive israel and Syria.

Vann7 wrote:
As a matter of fact.. To annoy Israel. Russia should help IRAN airforce ,to build a powerful modern
one and provide IRAN with nuclear weapons..

Didn't Russia--or the former USSR--sign a nuclear nonproliferation treaty? Helping Iran build a better airforce would be a good idea though. Iran should get the SU-57.

medo wrote: Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

So you don't believe the Kuwaiti report of Israeli F-35s flying undetected over Iran?

To annoy Israel. Russia should help IRAN airforce ,to build a powerful modern one and provide IRAN with nuclear weapons..

Nonsense! With the NPT dead, the USA will be free to give nukes to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Taiwan & Ukraine.
Russia doesn't need an all out war between Iran & Israel that will drag in USA, France, UK & possibly China.

starman wrote:

medo wrote: Big OTH radars cover whole region around Iran, so there could be no surprise attack on Iran.

So you don't believe the Kuwaiti report of Israeli F-35s flying undetected over Iran?

Stealth planes are not stealth for big OTH radars, which work in long vawe lenghts. Iran have at least three OTH radar stations on different locations, so they could quite exactly locate any plane with triangulation.

Most of their known nuclear assets r dispersed & buried deep underground, destroying them all with bunker busters will be very hard even w/o the OTRs.
Iran has 100s of missiles that can hit oil facilities & US bases in the Persian Gulf & Afghanistan, besides Israeli Dimona in retaliation, just like NK vs. Seoul/US bases in SK & Japan.