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    Israeli-Hezbollah conflict

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    Post  nomadski Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:12 pm

    @ Eugino

    I have noticed myself over several years , that arrival of Iranian advisors , soon followed by Israeli bombing . Too many cases to be accident . Either a mole informs the Israelis or technological means to detect location . In first case , I suggested that no high ranking visits are needed . In some cases no visits are needed at all . Funds can be sent , as well as equipment ( perhaps the only hardware needed to be sent are micro- chips and control boards ) and instructions . In this way no mole can do  harm by killing advisors travelling . The technological method used GPS tracking . Any supplies should be scanned for devices ( remember pager problem ) . These may be very small . As small as grains of Rice .

    My examples were intended as survival methods used by  leaders . In these cases they being socialists , was coincidental . We can learn from socialist leaders and tactics . A decentralised command structure , is hardened against attack . Every class in society adopts a different tactic in battle . A democratic battle structure , existing out of a democratic society , allows command decisions at lower ranks . Soldiers at the front can make good enough decisions .

    Unlikely the Israelis found out location by technological means . The depth too much , and under buildings for remote sensing . Even if so , they could not technologically track leadership . There must have been a mole . A hardened and decentralised command structure , renders useless this decapitation tactic . I hope new structures are put in place . Not just new appointments to old positions . Multiple redundant command control system .

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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:52 pm

    Israel used U.S. bomb in Lebanon attack that killed Hezbollah leader, 09.29.2024.

    Information is from U.S. Senator Mark Kelly.

    (Reuters)-the bomb used by Israel to kill Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut last week was an American-Made guided weapon, a U.S. senator said on Sunday.

    Mark Kelly, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee, said during an interview with NBC that Israel used a 900-kilogram Mark 84 bomb. The statement marks the first U.S. indication of which weapon was used.

    "We see more use of guided munitions, JDAMs, and we continue to provide those weapons," Kelly said, using abbreviation that refers to Joint Direct Attack Munitions.
    "That 2,000-pound (900kg) bomb that was used to eliminate Nasrallah is a Mark 84 series bomb," he said.

    The Israeli military said on Saturday it had eliminated Nasrallah in a raid on the group's central Command headquarters in the southern suburbs of Beirut, but declined to comment on what weapons were used in the attack. The Pentagon was not immediately available for comment.

    JDAMs turn a standard unguided bomb into a guided weapon using fins and a GPS guidance system. The U.S. is Israel's longtime ally and largest arms supplier.

    Yandex Translate from Portuguese.

    https://www.brasil247.com/mundo/israel-usou-bomba-dos-eua-em-ataque-no-libano-que-matou-lider-do-hezbollah

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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:06 pm

    No wonder!

    Pentagon ‘furious’ with Israel over Nasrallah strike – media, 09.29.2024.

    US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin reportedly “lost it” in a phone call with his Israeli counterpart.

    US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was “furious” with Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant when he learned at the last moment that Israel was about to assassinate Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, the Jerusalem Post has reported.

    Nasrallah was killed in a massive Israeli airstrike on his underground compound in Beirut on Friday. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) claimed that 20 senior Hezbollah officers were killed alongside Nasrallah, while the number of civilian casualties remains unclear.

    The US immediately denied any role in the strike. President Joe Biden said that he had “no knowledge” that Israel was planning the attack, while Austin told reporters that he had “no advance warning,” and only spoke to Gallant “while the operation was actually already underway.”

    Citing anonymous sources, the Jerusalem Post claimed on Sunday that Austin was “furious” at the lack of notice he was given by Gallant. Austin and Gallant have spoken by phone more than 125 times since the start of the Israel-Hamas war last year, the newspaper stated, adding that the US defense chief “essentially lost it with Gallant over the Nasrallah killing and the short notice provided.”

    “Nasrallah was a bad guy, but it is frustrating that the Israelis are doing this without consulting us and then ask that we clean up when it comes to deterring Iran,” an anonymous US official told the news site Axios on Saturday. According to Axios’ sources, Gallant asked Austin to issue public statements to deter Iran from launching a retaliatory attack against Israel following Nasrallah’s death.

    Whatever Austin told Gallant in private, he dutifully complied with this request. In a readout of another phone call with Gallant on Saturday, the Pentagon said that Austin “stressed that the United States is determined to prevent Iran and Iranian-backed partners and proxies from exploiting the situation or expanding the conflict.”

    “The Secretary made it clear that the United States remains postured to protect US forces and facilities in the region and committed to the defense of Israel,” the readout continued.

    Nasrallah was killed just hours after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an American- and French-authored ceasefire proposal, which called on Israel to halt its attacks on Lebanon for 21 days to allow for talks between West Jerusalem and Hezbollah. According to American and other Western officials, Netanyahu had agreed to the proposal several days earlier, before abruptly backtracking and vowing to keep striking Lebanon “with full force.”

    Less than a week before Nasrallah’s death, thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah operatives simultaneously exploded across Lebanon, killing at least 37 people and injuring more than 3,000, many of them women and children. The sabotage operation is widely believed to have been the work of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, but as with the airstrike that killed Nasrallah, the US claimed that it had no prior knowledge of, or involvement in, the plan.

    https://www.rt.com/news/604915-austin-gallant-nasrallah-strike/
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:59 am

    🇱🇧⚡ Statement from the Media Relations Office of Hezbollah:

    In response to the news circulated by some media outlets regarding organizational procedures within the leadership of Hezbollah following the martyrdom of His Eminence, the Secretary-General (ra), we would like to clarify that any news related to this matter holds no significance and should not be considered unless an official statement is issued by the leadership of Hezbollah.

    Monday, 30-09-2024
    26 Rabi' al-Awwal 1446 AH

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:01 am

    Middle East Spectator, [29/9/2024 19:26]
    ‼ CORRECTION: This attack was not in Dahyeh, but rather in Cola a sunni majority area in Beirut.

    There is no Hezbullah there, and it was always a pro-Hariri area

    Middle East Spectator, [29/9/2024 19:26]
    📹 An apartment was attacked in Cola area. This area has probably haven't been attacked since the invasion of 1980's

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10289
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:10 am

    It is tiring to constantly read (in this thread, as in the one on Ukraine and others) how many are influenced by Western propaganda and produce analyses based on the misinformation from these factories.
    With regard to Hezbollah, it seems to me to be childish to try to "give them advice" on how to organize themselves.
    They have been fighting Israel for quite a few years now. Since the 80s and they have done quite well.
    First they were expelled from the South of Lebanon and then they were forced to retreat in 2006.
    With such powerful enemies (Israel / USA / NATO) and to top it off, stuck to Lebanon, it is almost impossible to avoid casualties among their leaders.
    But it seems that there are some who think they are better strategists than those who have been fighting for years. And risking their lives, not giving their opinion from the comfort of their home, from a PC and far from danger.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:43 am

    Kiko wrote:No wonder!

    Pentagon ‘furious’ with Israel over Nasrallah strike – media, 09.29.2024.

    US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin reportedly “lost it” in a phone call with his Israeli counterpart.

    US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was “furious” with Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant when he learned at the last moment that Israel was about to assassinate Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, the Jerusalem Post has reported.

    Nasrallah was killed in a massive Israeli airstrike on his underground compound in Beirut on Friday. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) claimed that 20 senior Hezbollah officers were killed alongside Nasrallah, while the number of civilian casualties remains unclear.

    The US immediately denied any role in the strike. President Joe Biden said that he had “no knowledge” that Israel was planning the attack, while Austin told reporters that he had “no advance warning,” and only spoke to Gallant “while the operation was actually already underway.”

    Citing anonymous sources, the Jerusalem Post claimed on Sunday that Austin was “furious” at the lack of notice he was given by Gallant. Austin and Gallant have spoken by phone more than 125 times since the start of the Israel-Hamas war last year, the newspaper stated, adding that the US defense chief “essentially lost it with Gallant over the Nasrallah killing and the short notice provided.”

    “Nasrallah was a bad guy, but it is frustrating that the Israelis are doing this without consulting us and then ask that we clean up when it comes to deterring Iran,” an anonymous US official told the news site Axios on Saturday. According to Axios’ sources, Gallant asked Austin to issue public statements to deter Iran from launching a retaliatory attack against Israel following Nasrallah’s death.

    Whatever Austin told Gallant in private, he dutifully complied with this request. In a readout of another phone call with Gallant on Saturday, the Pentagon said that Austin “stressed that the United States is determined to prevent Iran and Iranian-backed partners and proxies from exploiting the situation or expanding the conflict.”

    “The Secretary made it clear that the United States remains postured to protect US forces and facilities in the region and committed to the defense of Israel,” the readout continued.

    Nasrallah was killed just hours after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an American- and French-authored ceasefire proposal, which called on Israel to halt its attacks on Lebanon for 21 days to allow for talks between West Jerusalem and Hezbollah. According to American and other Western officials, Netanyahu had agreed to the proposal several days earlier, before abruptly backtracking and vowing to keep striking Lebanon “with full force.”

    Less than a week before Nasrallah’s death, thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah operatives simultaneously exploded across Lebanon, killing at least 37 people and injuring more than 3,000, many of them women and children. The sabotage operation is widely believed to have been the work of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, but as with the airstrike that killed Nasrallah, the US claimed that it had no prior knowledge of, or involvement in, the plan.

    https://www.rt.com/news/604915-austin-gallant-nasrallah-strike/

    Furious after having supplied these very same bunker busting bombs to Israel earlier for the purpose of taking out hardened targets? What is he an Alzheimer's patient?

    And once again, my ass that Israel would assassinate Nasrallah without the express, and I do mean express, all-clear from Washington.

    If Lloyd Austin really wasn't in on it then the people he should be mad at should be his own superiors in the US political leadership for not deeming him important enough to tell.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:43 am

    It is getting clearer with every single Israeli assassination of an Iranian leader/supporter that Iran itself is setting them up to be assassinated.

    The problem is that some people are stupid and think analogies like cutting the head off the snake will stop the snake from biting you.

    The problem is that Israels enemies are not snakes and cutting off its current head will make the replacements more cautious and likely more difficult to deal with.

    The snake analogy is wrong because a snake only has one head. In comparison the human organisations Israel is fighting has plenty of people wanting the power of leadership so the head can be replaced faster than Israel can kill them.

    More importantly it sets a precedent where Israeli officials might be very very safe from a sniper rifle or human delivered bomb, but Iran has rockets and missiles that no security detail diving on top of Nety yahoo will save him... and if they plan it properly they should get him.

    These missiles are fast and no matter where nety yahoo is there will be plans for escape... through this door, out this way, down here... so Iran needs to not just know where he is, but where they will take him they think is safe if the place he was going is under missile attack... an IRBM with independent warheads could probably achieve it, but then hitting their main government buildings or nuclear research and power generation centres would probably do more damage to the country of Israel.

    Taking out leaders only makes sense if they are effective leaders... for instance taking out Putin or Xi would be very high on the CIAs list of what it wants this Christmas... of course careful what you wish for... removing either of those men might lead to a replacement that is more like the west and would do far more damage to the west than the current leadership are achieving because they are trying to separate from the west rather than attack the west with most of their actions.

    If there can't be a Palestine then there shouldn't be an Israel.

    Would the Israelis keep getting a free pass for genocide if the Palestinians were all Christians and it was a conflict between some Jewish people and some Christians?

    Not all jews are zionist jews.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:54 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:It is tiring to constantly read (in this thread, as in the one on Ukraine and others) how many are influenced by Western propaganda and produce analyses based on the misinformation from these factories.
    With regard to Hezbollah, it seems to me to be childish to try to "give them advice" on how to organize themselves.
    They have been fighting Israel for quite a few years now. Since the 80s and they have done quite well.
    First they were expelled from the South of Lebanon and then they were forced to retreat in 2006.
    With such powerful enemies (Israel / USA / NATO) and to top it off, stuck to Lebanon, it is almost impossible to avoid casualties among their leaders.
    But it seems that there are some who think they are better strategists than those who have been fighting for years. And risking their lives, not giving their opinion from the comfort of their home, from a PC and far from danger.


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    My advice is not for your Ears . You are free to ignore it . And get as tired as you like about it . Since you do not and can not respond to the content of what I say ! The Axis forces must realise that security among their ranks are compromised , and Iranian " security , " is by far the greatest culprit . They must organise themselves by avoiding Iranian security officials , who are mainly engaged in shooting protesters with shotguns in their eyes , distributing poison gas among school children and torturing democrats and socialists in Evin prison and murdering Iranian nuclear scientists ! They can not free Iranians from oppression , you expect them to free Palestine ! You have previously tried to stop me from posting , and saying what is on my mind ! " ...you sit in the West ....telling others what to do ....you have no proof ...." And now " You are childish ! " I must tell you that many men bigger than you , tried to shut me up , but failed ! Do you think that you can ?

    I think your post to be short and numerous , drowning the voice of others , that are important . Some try to monopolize the forum by posting extra long posts . You have been advised to collect all your posts , as bullet point , like Franco does , before . If You can not fairly reply to my comments , and start name calling , then I will not replying you . You can then call on Allah to hear you , instead . Not that it will do you much good .

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    Post  Kiko Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:42 am

    Not all jews are zionist jews.

    As time passes by we're getting immersed on a dialectic of enlightenment.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:10 am

    #1

    Statement issued by the Islamic Resistance:

    In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

    Permission [to fight] is given to those who are being fought because they were wronged, and indeed Allah is capable of granting them victory.

    Allah Almighty is Truthful

    In support of our steadfast Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and as part of backing their courageous and honorable Resistance, and in defense of Lebanon and its people, and in response to the "Israeli" enemy's brutal transgression of cities, villages, and civilians, the Islamic Resistance fighters bombarded on Monday 30-09-2024 the Na'oura Base with a barrage of Fadi-2 rockets.

    And victory is not but from Allah, the Almighty, All-Wise.

    Monday 30-9-2024
    26 Rabi' al-Awwal 1446
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:13 am

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:08]
    🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: We mourn the great leader, Sayyed Hassn Nasrallah

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:08]
    🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'There is no path without sacrifice, we are the sons of martyrdom and our resistance will continue'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:11]
    🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'Hezbollah's front will continue, everyone on the battlefield is ready, and despite the losing of our leader and commanders, we will not move aside nor will we forsake our duty in support of Gaza and in defense of Lebanon'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:12]
    ❗🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'What we are doing on the battlefield is still the minimum of our capabilities'
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:17 am

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:08]
    🇱🇧⚡ Sheikh Naim Qassem: Contrary to what the "Israeli" enemy has claimed, there was no meeting of 20 commanders with His Eminence Sayyed Nasrallah.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:11]
    🇱🇧⚡ Sheikh Qassem: Everything we've gone through, from pager devices to the martyrdom of commanders and the martyrdom of our great leader, would have shaken armies, but we continued, and we will continue with sacrifices.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:12]
    🇱🇧⚡ Sheikh Qassem: The path that the martyred Secretary-General nurtured and oversaw is a continuous one, and we will carry on the system of leadership and control. We will follow the same steps and precision that you, O Secretary-General, followed. The brothers have continued their work thanks to the structure, alternative plans, and replacement leaders, and we are managing this effectively.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:13]
    🇱🇧⚡ Sheikh Naim Qassem: The path of resistance continues, and Hezbollah remains committed to its goals and its field of jihad.

    The leadership system continues with the precision established and set by Sayyed Nasrallah.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:14]
    🇱🇧⚡ Sheikh Naim Qassem: The Islamic Resistance will continue to support Gaza and defend Lebanon and its civilians. After the assassination of Sayyed Nasrallah, the resistance operations have continued at the same pace and even more. What we are doing is the minimum as part of following the battle with pre-determined plans according to the requirements of the battlefield.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:14]
    🇱🇧⚡Sheikh Qassem: We know that the battle will be long, and we are ready to face any possibility. We will emerge victorious from this battle.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [30/9/2024 06:15]
    🇱🇧⚡Sheikh Naim Qassem: The calamity is great, and the sacrifices are immense. The enemy is working in two directions: striking our military capabilities and targeting villages to create a rift between us and our people.

    Israel will not be able to harm our military capabilities.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:26 am

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:13]
    ❗🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'If the Zionists enter Lebanon, we are ready and prepared for a ground battle, and we will be victorious'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:15]
    ❗🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'The vast majority of Hezbollah's medium and long range weapons capabilities are fully intact, despite Israeli lies'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:17]
    ❗🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'The new Secretary General will be chosen soon, and the choice is very easy for us, because all of us in Hezbollah have one unified heart'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:18]
    🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'You are the pride of Lebanon, the Lebanese people, who remain unified despite all the difficulties'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:19]
    ❗🇱🇧 Naim Qassem: 'Some patience is needed, but we have prepared all what we have, and we will fight, and we will be victorious'

    Middle East Spectator, [30/9/2024 06:19]
    — Speech ended.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:33 am

    Currently many non Shia in Lebanon are anti Hezbollah for ruining their passive role with Israel. In typical bully mode, Israel have now bombed a Christian/Sunni area in central Beirut not the Shia Hezbolah southern part, an area apparently not attacked since the war in 1982. Perhaps by accident or by intent, they may turn the whole country against them.

    They and the US treat Lebanon as if it were a province of Israel, telling them what to do, overflying it, control what gear the Lebanese Army is allowed to buy etc. The new US embassy there is huge, one of the largest in the World, with some viewing the main role of the Lebanese Army being the protection of it. Clearly the US wants control of Lebanon as part of its imposition of its power, in conjunction with Israel, over the ME.

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    Another Israeli airstrike hit the predominantly Christian and Sunni neighborhood of Kola in Beirut

    Among the buildings attacked was the home of prominent Christian politician Naji Wakim.

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    An Israeli airstrike on a multi-story building in the Qola district of Beirut resulted in the deaths of four members of the Islamic Group (Al-Jamaa Al-Islamiya), a Sunni Islamist political party with an armed wing. Preliminary reports indicate that the organization’s leader, Mohammed Takkush, was among those killed.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:35 am

    GarryB wrote:Would the Israelis keep getting a free pass for genocide if the Palestinians were all Christians and it was a conflict between some Jewish people and some Christians?

    Yes

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:47 am

    Following many other countries but not learning from their experiences, Iran trusted the US and Israel to keep their word and paid the price. A revenge attack back then would probably have been threated as such but now it will be wrapped up into the latest events and treated as a virtual declaration of war requiring a big attack back. A classic example of playing into Israel's plans.

    The President of Iran stated that Tehran has fulfilled its part of the deal with the West and did not retaliate militarily against Israel's assassination of Hamas political bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh. However, the leaders of the U.S. and European countries lied when they promised a ceasefire in Lebanon and Gaza if Tehran did not strike Israel, noted the Iranian leader.

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    Iran has no time for a learning curve. Geopolitics will catch up with the new president. Anyone still trying to approach the West like Gorbachev will drive their country into ruin. Hamas and now Hezbollah are only stepping stones… Iran won’t save itself from the USA and Israel by remaining passive; on the contrary, it will make life easier for its enemies in the future.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:55 am

    Sadly she is being proven correct



    Something for Russia to consider when it comes to NATO stepping up activities against it using the Ukraine as a cover

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    Post  crod Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:42 pm

    Iran, September 2023: you fight this for us, we got your back. Allah the blessed 🙌 will guide us to victory
    Hamas/Hezbollah, September 2023: Bro
    Iran, September 2024: we don't need to send fighters those guys are fine doing the fighting.
    Hamas/Hezbollah, September 2024: Bro, we got trust issues.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:08 pm

    Following the death of Nasrallah the Israelis cancelled the Agreement they had with Lebanon on a profit share on the gas field off Lebanon that is pumped out via the Israeli pipeline system. They are now in effect stealing the gas depriving Lebanon, not just Hezbollah, of a critical source of revenue.

    The map is a reminder that for the Israelis the phrase 'from the river to the sea' is not only to the River Jordan it is to the Euphrates.

    In my mind the objectives for a long time of the Israelis in both Gaza and Lebanon is to seize the land (ideally all the way to the water in the River Litani) and the offshore drilling rights that goes with them. They are going balls out for it now as they know that the power of the US, on which the plan depends as it is in the US's interests too, is gradually waning, so this may be their last chance. 

    To the Israelis, now that they have pressed the Red Button, this is now existential, no quarter will be given, its a fight to the death and the sooner other countries recognise this the better.



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    This might sound like nothing but this is one of the most extraordinary revealing things Israel has said.


     In the words of Israeli officials themselves Nasrallah literally died because he refused a side deal that abandoned the Palestinians. In effect this man labelled "terrorist" died because he refused to yield on what all UN resolutions and the immense majority of the international community have been calling for ceaselessly. Except he, unlike those others, had teeth. So, unlike what so many people are saying, the real reason for his death isn't because "Hezbollah are terrorists and they're bad" but so Israel can pursue its land grab and ethnic cleansing unimpeded. He was one of the only ones actually willing to make them face accountability for it and, in their own words, that's why he had to die.


    BREAKING: NBC, quoting an Israeli official: "We have decided to kill Nasrallah after concluding that he will not agree to any solution that isn't tied to ending the war in Gaza."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/lebanon-live-updates-rcna173122#rcrd57180





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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:48 pm

    🟡|🇱🇧 Sheikh Naeem Qasim, Deputy SG of Hezbollah in Lebanon:

    “We targeted several positions of the Zionists in the occupied territories [after their terrorist attack] and the settlers took refuge in shelters out of fear of just 1 missile and this path continues.”


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    🟡|🇱🇧 Sheikh Naeem Qasim:

    We are prepared for any eventuality. If Israelis decide to enter by land, the resistance forces are ready for ground battles. After the assassination of Sayyed Nasrallah, our operations continued at the same pace and even more.

    We will win against the Zionists as we won in 2006.

    We have good and ready-to-be replaced forces. And we will soon choose the Secretary General of Lebanon's Hezbollah.

    Be sure there will be no problem. Be sure that the commanders will be replaced soon; We are united.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:50 pm

    🟡|🇱🇧 Sheikh Naeem Qasim:

    The enemy claimed that 20 people were in the building and were martyred, this is NOT true.

    The commanders who were present in that building were always with Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah and were with him at all times.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:51 pm

    🇮🇷| The Commander-in-Chief of the Army (Artesh) in response to a question of what Iran’s reaction will be, to the assassination of Seyed Hassan Nasrallah, he replied: "Wait." (with a smirk).

    Sayyed Mousavi: “The enemy’s wrong thinking made them think they achieved a victory, but little do they know that they dug their own graves deeper.”

    “The flag of Hezbollah has never dropped, but only gone higher with martyrs.”


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