Would there be any advantage in moving to Side Stick Controller for IL-114V and IL-96-400M ?
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Russian Civil Aviation: News #3
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I wonder if the Yoke Stick on Russian aircraft will move to Side Stick Control as seen on MS-21/SSJ ?
Would there be any advantage in moving to Side Stick Controller for IL-114V and IL-96-400M ?
Would there be any advantage in moving to Side Stick Controller for IL-114V and IL-96-400M ?
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"Ilyushin" plans to create a special modification of the IL-114 for India
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20192221530-6qGzS.html
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20192221530-6qGzS.html
“We believe that the IL-114 is ideally suited for the program“ Make in India ”and are ready to consider various options for cooperation based on this aircraft, up to a modification specifically targeted at the Indian market,” said Kakushadze.
She stressed that the modification for India may suggest refinement for operating the machine in hot climates and in high altitude conditions.
According to Kakushadze, the Il-114 will be cheaper than ATR, which is associated with lower cost of labor and materials both in Russia and in India, where, among other things, it is possible to deploy aircraft production.
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INTERVIEW: CR929 boss details progress, timeline
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The heart of the “younger brother” Su-57: a developer about future aircraft engines
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812121827-df3i.htm
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812121827-df3i.htm
How did you manage to improve the performance of the TV7-117CM engine?
According to its main characteristics, the TV7-117CT engine is better than its predecessors - the TV7-117CM and TB7-117C engines. It was possible to achieve great performance in terms of power and other basic data due to the fact that a certain reserve was laid when laying the engine. In addition, we were able to apply new materials, and, of course, the design is also being improved. But the main thing, due to which we are today striving to improve the performance of the engines when they are modernized, is the creation of an ultra-modern engine management system. It allows even to achieve the best performance even without major design changes.
Can this engine compete with the Canadian PW-127 engine, which was also used on the IL-114?
This engine is not our competitor. We surpass it in all basic data. It is no coincidence that the TV7-117B engine replaced the Canadian Mi-38 helicopter , which gave the car additional characteristics. We believe that in this dimension our engine is the best in the world.
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The heart of the “younger brother” Su-57: a developer about future aircraft engines
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812121827-df3i.htm
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201812121827-df3i.htm
How did you manage to improve the performance of the TV7-117CM engine?
According to its main characteristics, the TV7-117CT engine is better than its predecessors - the TV7-117CM and TB7-117C engines. It was possible to achieve great performance in terms of power and other basic data due to the fact that a certain reserve was laid when laying the engine. In addition, we were able to apply new materials, and, of course, the design is also being improved. But the main thing, due to which we are today striving to improve the performance of the engines when they are modernized, is the creation of an ultra-modern engine management system. It allows even to achieve the best performance even without major design changes.
Can this engine compete with the Canadian PW-127 engine, which was also used on the IL-114?
This engine is not our competitor. We surpass it in all basic data. It is no coincidence that the TV7-117B engine replaced the Canadian Mi-38 helicopter , which gave the car additional characteristics. We believe that in this dimension our engine is the best in the world.
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The serial production of the MS-21 will begin in 2021, said Borisov
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385486.html
Foreign companies are interested in Russian MS-21, said Borisov
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385369.html
The first production aircraft MS-21 is equipped with Russian engines.
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385241.html
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385486.html
Foreign companies are interested in Russian MS-21, said Borisov
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385369.html
The first production aircraft MS-21 is equipped with Russian engines.
https://ria.ru/20190226/1551385241.html
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Sergei Ivanov today confirmed that Japan under pressure from US stopped selling composites to Russia
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Austin wrote:Sergei Ivanov today confirmed that Japan under pressure from US stopped selling composites to Russia
he didnt have to say this really
BTW Im glad to hear Borisov news bout MS-21
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Good... Russia needs to make these things herself and not just buy from Japan... or anywhere else...
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VICE PRIME MINISTER BORISOV: UAC WILL INVEST ADDITIONAL MONEY TO ELIMINATE THE SHORTCOMINGS OF SSJ 100
https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2019/02/27/577691.html
https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2019/02/27/577691.html
The United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) plans to additionally invest funds in eliminating the “objective flaws” of the after-sales service of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 short-range aircraft, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said in an interview with Russia 24. He added that part of the SSJ 100 equipment will be unified with MS-21 aircraft, which will have a positive effect on the cost price of the aircraft and make it more competitive.
“There are objective shortcomings associated with after-sales and after-sales service (SSJ 100. - Kommersant). But this is a disaster for almost all types of Russian civil aviation aircraft,” said the Deputy Prime Minister. According to him, the UAC program already has money for the formation of such networks and for the replenishment of "insurance reserves".
“Here we will need to seriously pull up. And in principle, the plane, according to the pilots, turned out to be quite good,” Mr. Borisov noted. He also said that all the shortcomings and flaws made during the creation of the aircraft, which are discovered during operation, "will be solved as they arise."
The SSJ 100 is a Russian civilian aircraft, developed in the mid-2000s. Passenger capacity - from 98 to 108 seats, flight range - 3 thousand km. The catalog price is $ 35 million. The product line consists of commercial aircraft SSJ 100, a version of Sukhoi Business Jet and special purpose aircraft. The aircraft uses a significant part of foreign components, in particular, the SaM146 engine of the French Safran.
In 2017, the SSJ 100 aircraft were supplied mainly by leasing VEB-Leasing (for Aeroflot) and GTLK (Yamal, Azimut, IrAero). The largest operator of the SSJ 100 is the Aeroflot company, it has 50 of them in the park.
In the autumn of 2018, Aeroflot and UAC entered into an agreement to supply 100 SSJ 100 in 2019-2026.
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GarryB wrote:Good... Russia needs to make these things herself and not just buy from Japan... or anywhere else...
nothing wrong with buying components , this helps you to cut production costs. doing everything by yourself is pretty costly way. The problem here is not Japan but US.
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Doesn't matter. Japan was already sanctioning Russia because of "Ukraine invasion". So one has to have had major oversight of this to not put two and two together.
If they wanted, invest in Chinese materials if too expensive to do it at home.....
If they wanted, invest in Chinese materials if too expensive to do it at home.....
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Progress is still much faster as with the SSJ 100. And you can´t blame them for incorporationg some western components into a plane that they wanted to sell also to western customers. Back in the days when the project was born everything was more or less "normal".
My thinks that it is the progress of such projects that brought Russia all this "sanctions" and the negative PR campaign from the western block. They realised how dangerous russian companies would be and tried to solve this problem their way. Which backfired. All this nonsense of "aggression" and so on is just for the dumb "Joe bag of Donuts" who has to pay the whole shit with his taxpayer money.
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Page 56 has write up on MS-21
http://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/7626728690.pdf
Page 58 on PD-14
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Page 58 on PD-14
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Mi-171A3 helicopter
During the visit on February 26, 2019 at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant JSC (UUAZ, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC) the Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation on the defense-industrial complex Yuri Borisov, the company demonstrated materials on the new promising deep modification of helicopters of the Mi-8/17/171 family, designated Mi-171A3.
As follows from the demonstrated materials, the "offshore" Mi-171A3 helicopter is intended primarily for transport flights to offshore drilling platforms. By design, the Mi-171A3 is actually a hybrid of the fuselage and chassis of the Mi-38 helicopter with the carrier system of the recently launched Mi-171A2 helicopter. It was noted that the fuselage of the Mi-171A3 helicopter will, therefore, through cooperation within the framework of the holding "Helicopters of Russia", produce JSC "Kazan Helicopter Plant".
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html
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GSS will supply Thai airline six SSJ-100 for $ 300 million
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he didnt have to say this really
Well it just shows a formal peace treaty with Japan wont offer Russia very much in terms of investment or cooperation because the US will always be there to say no.
So screw the peace treaty... just let things continue as they are... Russia would gain nothing from any progress there even if it gives up nothing.
nothing wrong with buying components , this helps you to cut production costs. doing everything by yourself is pretty costly way. The problem here is not Japan but US.
Everything wrong with buying components from countries you cannot trust and have no independence from the US.
Developing the technology yourself means you will have the technology to apply to other civilian and military aircraft as you see fit, which is rather more value than saving a bit of money by paying Japanese workers to make it for you.... or not in this case.
It also means you control what you sell so when it comes time to export this product and it was always intended for export, you have full control and ownership and are free to sell to anyone you please.
If they wanted, invest in Chinese materials if too expensive to do it at home.....
I would even look at Turkey for a partner in this regard, considering their experience with US sanctions... but considering it is a technology that can be used across a range of areas in aerospace technology why would you not want to develop it at home?
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Import substitution of aircraft engines improved their fuel efficiency
https://aviation21.ru/importozameshhenie-aviadvigatelej-uluchshilo-ix-toplivnuyu-effektivnost/
https://aviation21.ru/importozameshhenie-aviadvigatelej-uluchshilo-ix-toplivnuyu-effektivnost/
The United Engine-Building Corporation (UEC) managed not only to get rid of the dependence on imports, but also to improve the technical characteristics of the developed engines. Thus, Mil and Kamov combat helicopters received a modern and technologically advanced VK-2500 engine, while the innovative TV7-117CT will become the “heart” of the newest Il-112V transport aircraft.
VK-2500
Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said in 2018 that Russia had solved the problem of dependence on Ukrainian engines for the needs of the helicopter fleet of the Armed Forces.
The UEC organized the production of the VK-2500 turboshaft engine in Russia, which is intended to replace the TV3-117 engines produced in Ukraine.
The VK-2500 family is intended for most of the cars of the Kamov OKB and the Moscow Plant named after them. Mile In particular, it is installed on the modifications of the Mi-17 helicopters, as well as the latest combat Mi-28, Ka-52, Mi-35. If we talk about military helicopters delivered as part of the state defense order, today all of them are equipped with Russian VK-2500. For example, on the "Night Hunters" is installed exclusively Russian power plant.
In order to organize production in Russia VK-2500, a wide industrial cooperation of UEC enterprises was organized. The construction of a new design and production complex for helicopter engines was completed on the territory of the ODK-Klimov near St. Petersburg. The installation batch of VK-2500 engines entirely from Russian components was released in 2014, and in 2015 their mass production based on the ODK-Klimov was organized.
In comparison with TB3-117, the new VK-2500 is a more technological engine, the advantages of which are high fuel efficiency, increased power, a modern automatic control system.
For the development of the next modification, VK-2500PS-03, the UEC JV in St. Petersburg received a prize and a diploma from the Aircraft Builder of the Year 2017 competition.
The main differences between the new engine are the most modern Russian electronic automatic control system of the FADEC type and anti-surge protection. According to the developers, helicopters with such engines are practically protected from the failure of the power plant, which may arise due to powerful air flows or a strong pressure drop in hot climates.
The scope of work on certification of VK-2500PS-03 was completed in 2016. Since 2017, engines of this type have been mass-produced at the UEC-Klimov. The power plant with two VK-2500PS-03 is equipped with a new Russian helicopter Mi-171A2.
In addition, UEC designers are developing a promising VK-2500M engine, which is designed for installation on promising helicopters with flight speeds of up to 400 km / h. Among the main advantages - increased power with reduced weight and modularity of the structure. Also, the new engine can be easily applied to the modernization of the already existing fleet of helicopters "Mi" and "Ka" due to full interchangeability with the serial engines VK-2500 and TV3-117. UEC specialists have already tested individual components of the VK-2500M engine, which confirmed the declared characteristics.
TV7-117CT
The bright component of the ODK-Klimov import substitution program is the TV7-1CT engine - the “heart” of the Il-112V light military transport aircraft, which is currently undergoing aerodrome testing in Voronezh. The promising Russian aircraft of a new generation will replace the outdated An-24 and An-26.
TV7-117CT is the base engine for the powerplant of the military transport Il-112V, and the civilian modification - TV7-117CT-01 - will become the regular engine of the regional passenger aircraft Il-114-300 (Il-114V).
The take-off engine power of the TV7-117CT is 3000 horsepower. In emergency mode, the power plant can produce up to 3,600 horsepower. With a dry mass of not more than 500 kg, the engine has a specific fuel consumption of less than 200 grams per hp. at one o'clock. Thus, TV7-117CT is more powerful, lighter and more economical than the Ukrainian AI-24, which, for example, is installed on the An-26.
In addition, one of the features of the innovative engine is the automatic control system created by “ODK-Klimov” that controls not only the operation of the engine, but also the propeller, that is, the entire propulsion system of the aircraft. For the development of an optimized drive unit for the TV7-117CT engine screw, the young designer of ODK-Klimov JSC, Vladimir Korzhukov, was awarded the National Golden Idea Award.
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GarryB wrote:he didnt have to say this really
Well it just shows a formal peace treaty with Japan wont offer Russia very much in terms of investment or cooperation because the US will always be there to say no.
So screw the peace treaty... just let things continue as they are... Russia would gain nothing from any progress there even if it gives up nothing.
then you see things Putin & Lavrov dont
GB wrote:nothing wrong with buying components , this helps you to cut production costs. doing everything by yourself is pretty costly way. The problem here is not Japan but US.
Everything wrong with buying components from countries you cannot trust and have no independence from the US.
Developing the technology yourself means you will have the technology to apply to other civilian and military aircraft as you see fit, which is rather more value than saving a bit of money by paying Japanese workers to make it for you.... or not in this case.
developing tech means time, money, science potential + market. Russian in 2005-2010s looked much worse in comparison. In 2010 Russia was still importing food. It would be enough West cut food and you're dead.
................................GDP.......................population
Russia's (now)............$4,1T.....................148m
US+Jap+ EU/Ca........~$50......................1,000m
So you want to catch up in ll technologies having not enough money, time and people? especially that external conditions would worsen much earlier when west sees Russia has new tech, it is not that they are constant.
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The main differences between the new engine are the most modern Russian electronic automatic control system of the FADEC type and anti-surge protection. According to the developers, helicopters with such engines are practically protected from the failure of the power plant, which may arise due to powerful air flows or a strong pressure drop in hot climates.
This is very important as there can be issues with attack helos and transport helos firing rockets or ATGMs where the smoke gets into the air intakes and causes a sudden power loss (because rocket exhaust gas doesn't have any oxygen for the fuel in the engine to burn so it pretty much chokes).
Not unique to Russian helos, have heard UK Apaches are not allowed to carry Hellfire missiles on their inner pylon because launches at low speed with such a large ATGM can lead to an engine stall too (would assume it effects all Apaches of course).
If you look at the design of the Mi-28 and Ka-50/52 the large pack of pylon mounted ATGMs are on the outside pylon...
then you see things Putin & Lavrov dont
They want friendly relations with everyone... they even try talking to the Americans...
developing tech means time, money, science potential + market. Russian in 2005-2010s looked much worse in comparison. In 2010 Russia was still importing food. It would be enough West cut food and you're dead.
Imports are strings either Russia will cut or the west will cut as a sanction... eventually the strings are all going to be cut... except the strings the west needs right now... like rocket engines and titanium... and the Russian hacker excuse as to why Hillary lost the election...
If the west had cut food?
It was Russia that cut food coming from the EU... there are plenty of other food suppliers around the world that could have stepped up to fill the gap, and of course as happened proper investment in food production and distribution means a lot of the gap they filled themselves... and all without video footage of starving in the streets.
In fact a lot of EU food bypasses the Russian sanctions by being bought in Belarus and repackaged to pretend it comes from africa or elsewhere and then sold to Russia...
That is OK... all the hands it passes through would push up the price, so domestic producers wont be too disadvantaged by all the subsidies EU farmers get from their own governments and the EU.
The point is that why would Russia pay the Japanese to make composite materials for aircraft, when they could spend two or three times more and make it themselves... but also own the technology which could be applied in the enormous range of other programmes they have where such technology could be used.
There are other civilian aircraft... there are military aircraft... which a foreign product could not be used anyway... either because the Russian military would refuse it or the west would sanction it... there are also the wide range of unmanned aircraft, and even ships and land vehicles that might benefit from new composite material structures... smaller ships have entire superstructures made of composites because they don't rust and are just as strong as light metals...
Obviously they can't just make everything themselves instantly and straight away, but they already have a huge number of programmes where composite materials are being made... from helicopter rotor blades and other components... the Baikal upgrade of the An-2 is all composites, there are already composites in most of their aircraft and their ships, so why not create a centre for new materials that could have developed these particular materials for the programme... being able to use the technology across the board in a huge variety of platforms where the technology suits of course would make it much more cost effective and a single source situation that is not subject to US sanctions...
Funny... it wasn't that long ago someone was complaining that Russia didn't make its own enormous ship building cranes...
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I wonder if the Yoke Stick on Russian aircraft will move to Side Stick Control as seen on MS-21/SSJ ?
Would there be any advantage in moving to Side Stick Controller for IL-114V and IL-96-400M ?
Sidestick controllers were mainly designed for fighterjets so there could be an armrest support supporting the hand on the control stick. (during high g manouvering such support made holding on to the control stick easier and to control the force applied to the stick more manageable).
I seem to remember the first aircraft fitted with one was the F-16... it was fixed and didn't move but measured how hard you pressed to determine what sort of manouver you wanted... it had hard limits that stopped you doing things that would damage the aircraft or reduce flight hours of the design.
With a civilian airliner once you put it on autopilot you don't have to sit there with your hands on the yoke, so I don't think it would make much real difference.
In terms of flying... I suspect it would be like PC vs PS4... some people prefer keyboard and mouse, while others expect a gaming controller... and to be honest... the amount of time training for each aircraft you should become efficient at either if needs be.
It would be the sort of thing a customer might request based on what their pilots prefer or are used to I guess... I don't see any advantage as modern fly by wire control sticks don't need to be "heavy" and need both hands, which would be an advantage of a central control stick, but a central control stick does mean you can choose which hand you prefer to use to control the aircraft... including both hands... I mean it could be the same argument for a steering wheel on a car or a side mounted joystick.
The main negative of a steering wheel or central control yoke is that it does get in the way of instruments in the centre of the cockpit, but often those instruments are not the sort of ones you have to continuously and carefully monitor...
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GarryB , The first civil aircraft I believe which had side stick control was Airbus A320 with FBW.
I was just thinking if SSJ and MS-21 has Side stick control the latter has Active Side Stick control , Will IL-114V and IL-96-400M will have it too ?
I was just thinking if SSJ and MS-21 has Side stick control the latter has Active Side Stick control , Will IL-114V and IL-96-400M will have it too ?
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That would be a design decision the customer would make I suspect...
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In CIAM reviewed the prospects of the engine VK-800S
https://aviation21.ru/v-ciam-rassmotreli-perspektivy-dvigatelya-vk-800s/
https://aviation21.ru/v-ciam-rassmotreli-perspektivy-dvigatelya-vk-800s/
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Let L-410 turboprops to get Russian engines
http://www.rusaviainsider.com/l-410-turboprops-get-russian-engine/
This link has good comparision chart with VK-800S engine versus the current one they use
http://www.rusaviainsider.com/l-410-turboprops-get-russian-engine/
This link has good comparision chart with VK-800S engine versus the current one they use