Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The gazeta article sucks as the so called experts are completely unaware of Russia's already existing manufacturing of composite materials used for the wings. Which was mentioned earlier.

AFIK composites yes, all components composites'  mnufcturing not yet. They are yet to be certified for MS-21 usage . But this type of articles isnt it what we were discussion on economy thread?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The gazeta article sucks as the so called experts are completely unaware of Russia's already existing manufacturing of composite materials used for the wings. Which was mentioned earlier.

AFIK composites yes, all components composites'  mnufcturing not yet. They are yet to be certified for MS-21 usage . But this type of articles isnt it what we were discussion on economy thread?

miketheterrible wrote:

AFIK composites yes, all components composites'  mnufcturing not yet. They are yet to be certified for MS-21 usage . But this type of articles isnt it what we were discussion on economy thread?

The gazeta article states that experts thinks it will take 5 years for MS-21 (2025) since no composites of such are made in Russia. But a plant created in 2015 by Rosatom makes such composites so the experts are lying or they are completely unaware of such a plant.

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kvs wrote:
Looks like Russia has been deprived of quick access to western composite materials and will experience a ramp-up delay for its own production.

kvs wrote: I hope Russia imposes serious counter-sanctions on this US inspired BS.   America is the country that deserves to be sanctioned for its brazen
support of terrorist states {}   The market forBoeing and Airbus should be downsized by 80% in Russia, at the least.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Well, only if they do that abruptly. If they decide to start substituting western aircrafts with Russian ones, especially in the domestic market, maybe subsidizing the acquisition or leasing of russian aircrafts and putting import taxes on new Boeing acquisitions, there would be no abrupt loss of airplanes and work needed.
Therefore the russian engineers and technicians working on boeing stuff could gradually find jobs in the russian aircrafts maintenance.

Austin wrote:The now call the IL-114-300 as IL-114V

The original specs for IL-114-300 was 64 pax with 6.5 T payload , I think with the new IL-114V they managed to make it better with 68 pax and 7 T in total payload.

They are offereing it to India , I hope India goes for it.

miketheterrible wrote:Until they resolve the wing issue by mass production. Then when all of that is said and done, US will put a ban on P&W engines then once again, back to waiting for PD-14 to finish. By then, the orders may drop down to near nothing cause airliners won't wait forever for a jet.

Should have been from the start 100% Russian or at least using parts from friendly countries.  It's as if Irkutsk and majority of Russian managers/business men are living under a rock and unaware of what is happening in foreign relations.

I'm not gonna lie. A part of me wants this jet to fail. Reason being as it will be a massive rude awakening to those in power and the managers that make such decision on a jet.  Because of them, they are in this mess. If they just decided to use local, then they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Until they resolve the wing issue by mass production. Then when all of that is said and done, US will put a ban on P&W engines then once again, back to waiting for PD-14 to finish. By then, the orders may drop down to near nothing cause airliners won't wait forever for a jet.

Should have been from the start 100% Russian or at least using parts from friendly countries.  It's as if Irkutsk and majority of Russian managers/business men are living under a rock and unaware of what is happening in foreign relations.

I'm not gonna lie. A part of me wants this jet to fail. Reason being as it will be a massive rude awakening to those in power and the managers that make such decision on a jet.  Because of them, they are in this mess. If they just decided to use local, then they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

This is the disease the whole world has to deal with.   The natural sycophancy of business to the west.  

If these companies have shareholders they should sue the last penny from these suckers.   That would be a good way to send the message to similar
clowns that sucking western cock is not part of their job description.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Austin wrote:The now call the IL-114-300 as IL-114V

The original specs for IL-114-300 was 64 pax with 6.5 T payload , I think with the new IL-114V they managed to make it better with 68 pax and 7 T in total payload.

They are offereing it to India , I hope India goes for it.

with "make in India" joint manufacturing pretty likely.

It is possible that they were a bit naive when they started working with so many foreign companies, but at the time they did not have state of the art components for the whole aircraft. They could have only done a russian version of the An-148, that is one generation older and uses older technology and for which they were using foreign (ukrainian) outdated engines.

Austin wrote:
Hope So but India has its own 70 Seater Regional Transport Aircraft on Drawing board so if India and Russia can work together for IL-114V program it would be benefit for both.

Lets see

If IL-114V turns competitive against its western peers like SSJ or MS-21 then it can sell abroad , I havent seen any comparasion table between IL-114V and its peers abroad

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Austin wrote:
Hope So but India has its own 70 Seater Regional Transport Aircraft on Drawing board so if India and Russia can work together for IL-114V program it would be benefit for both.

Lets see

If IL-114V turns competitive against its western peers like SSJ or MS-21 then it can sell abroad , I havent seen any comparasion table between IL-114V and its peers abroad

I think that technology transfer and possibility to re-expert Indian Il114 (vide Brahmos) could have pretty good chnces.