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Iraqi Air Force
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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mack8- Posts : 1039
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Footage of Su-25s AND Mi-28s in flight in Iraq:
Flyboy77- Posts : 71
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Some videos on Iraqi Su-25s at work. Love the sound the GSh-30-2 makes 
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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and another whammy today!
Ahmad Chalabi (head of the finance administration of the Council of Ministers) announced today that they have agreed with the US Embassy in Baghdad to "delay" this years payment for the F16 contract until further notice. This will help reduce the country's deficit.. They also reiterated that this will not affect negatively the production and delivery of aircraft to Iraq... since none will actually be delivered anyway
WOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/view...=314&start=720
I am guessing... and this is just a guess, that since the MODs budget is NOT actually affected by the budget reduction in 2015, they are going to be funelling the $1.5Bn payment towards something from Russia....
Ahmad Chalabi (head of the finance administration of the Council of Ministers) announced today that they have agreed with the US Embassy in Baghdad to "delay" this years payment for the F16 contract until further notice. This will help reduce the country's deficit.. They also reiterated that this will not affect negatively the production and delivery of aircraft to Iraq... since none will actually be delivered anyway
WOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/view...=314&start=720
I am guessing... and this is just a guess, that since the MODs budget is NOT actually affected by the budget reduction in 2015, they are going to be funelling the $1.5Bn payment towards something from Russia....
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Su-25 - highly valued by Iraq defense ministry
Iraqi Ministry of Defense: the delivery of Su-25 RF turn the tide in the battle with the IG
Iraqi Ministry of Defense: the delivery of Su-25 RF turn the tide in the battle with the IG
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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Iraqi air force poster shows Sukhoi 27/35, could be an indication.
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sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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the "team" in charge of making these posters in the Iraqi MOD are taking random pictures from the internet and plastering it on their various posters.
On the "Joint Command HQ" poster for example they have a picture of a US frigate, a foreign F16, a US Abrams with TUSK and a T129 Mangusta helicopter... not only that even the infantryman in that poster is a jordanian and not an Iraqi.
So basically. these posters indicate only that the Iraqi MOD have some idiots with zero knowledge of the military they're making posters for, and simply pick random pictures of the interwebs to "illustrate" their posters.
My guess is they know from the media that Iraq has "sukhois" .. and put that into a google image search and copy-pasted the first pictures that came up (and these "sukhois" look prettier than the ones they have anyway).
On the "Joint Command HQ" poster for example they have a picture of a US frigate, a foreign F16, a US Abrams with TUSK and a T129 Mangusta helicopter... not only that even the infantryman in that poster is a jordanian and not an Iraqi.
So basically. these posters indicate only that the Iraqi MOD have some idiots with zero knowledge of the military they're making posters for, and simply pick random pictures of the interwebs to "illustrate" their posters.
My guess is they know from the media that Iraq has "sukhois" .. and put that into a google image search and copy-pasted the first pictures that came up (and these "sukhois" look prettier than the ones they have anyway).
mack8- Posts : 1039
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So too good to be true unfortunately. What in the bloody hell are they doing there, it's six years or more since they started making plans for fast jets, and so far nothing except about 10 Su-25, the F-16 contracts are a monumental scam, we'll have to see if/when the T-50s will arrive, and no second hand Mirages F1/2000 or new MiGs or Su-30 or FC-1 rumours resulted in anything visible to date. Maybe you are right about that air force chief being a trojan horse!? I can't think of any excuse after all these years and in Iraq's situation.
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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We can mainly thank America, whether the air force commander is doing it on purpose or not.
If the US would deliver the F-16's as planned than Iraq will soon have a squadron of F-16's and 36 by end. UAE to deliver 10 Mirages in March news said.
If the US would deliver the F-16's as planned than Iraq will soon have a squadron of F-16's and 36 by end. UAE to deliver 10 Mirages in March news said.
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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well yes Mack8... we can contrast between the air force which has been "reactivated" since 2004 and has thus far managed to build nothing of note (2x transport squadrons and some basic trainers and about a squadron's worth of ISR planes).... did not train enough pilots, ground crews, or refurbish enough airbases to hold it all.
meanwhile, you have the "air defence command" reactivated only 3 years ago... and has gone to rebuild many major bases, sites, ordered air defence systems, recruited hundreds of engineering graduates and sent them to Russia for training, and began standing up air defence units... they also went around salvaging equipment and bases as best they could with minimal budget. Oh, when the americans offered them useless "hawk XXI" systems for billions... they turned to russia immediately and bought modern systems for a fraction of the cost.
You have the "Army aviation command" that was also reinstated about 4 years ago... they've gone on to open their own aviation college, recruited more pilots and engineers and sent them for training than the air force, refurbished several airbases for their use and shrugged off american reluctance to sell, and went to buy hundreds of helos from Russia without a second thought.
whilst the "big budget" airforce has done absolutely diddly squat. despite having a near 7-8 year lead over the other arms.
meanwhile, you have the "air defence command" reactivated only 3 years ago... and has gone to rebuild many major bases, sites, ordered air defence systems, recruited hundreds of engineering graduates and sent them to Russia for training, and began standing up air defence units... they also went around salvaging equipment and bases as best they could with minimal budget. Oh, when the americans offered them useless "hawk XXI" systems for billions... they turned to russia immediately and bought modern systems for a fraction of the cost.
You have the "Army aviation command" that was also reinstated about 4 years ago... they've gone on to open their own aviation college, recruited more pilots and engineers and sent them for training than the air force, refurbished several airbases for their use and shrugged off american reluctance to sell, and went to buy hundreds of helos from Russia without a second thought.
whilst the "big budget" airforce has done absolutely diddly squat. despite having a near 7-8 year lead over the other arms.
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The only countries in the region that Iraq would need "fast jets" are closely aligned with the US... Turkey and Israel.
Using fast jets against Iran doesn't make sense as there is currently cooperation against ISIS, and the Syrian air force is hardly a good reason for Iraqi fighters.
Personally I think their priority should be Su-25s and medium fighter bombers like Mirages and F-16s and MiG-29Ms, and strike aircraft like the Su-24M or something like a Tu-16 with a serious upgrade.
Using fast jets against Iran doesn't make sense as there is currently cooperation against ISIS, and the Syrian air force is hardly a good reason for Iraqi fighters.
Personally I think their priority should be Su-25s and medium fighter bombers like Mirages and F-16s and MiG-29Ms, and strike aircraft like the Su-24M or something like a Tu-16 with a serious upgrade.
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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yea, the latest re-engined H6K from china would be pretty good against ISIS... if they had 6 of those, they could have 2 up in the sky constantly loaded with about 2 tonnes of small GPS guided ordnance and roaming about the desert regions where ISIS are.
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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Sheytan what about CH-4 ?
China offered them to Iraq yet they did not buy them ? that's really strange considering they were seeking UCAV's a long time ago.
China offered them to Iraq yet they did not buy them ? that's really strange considering they were seeking UCAV's a long time ago.
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Chinese drones for Iraq:
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F-16 belonging to Iraqi Air Force crashes in Arizona
By: JAMES DREWWASHINGTON DC
The US Air Force has confirmed that one of the Iraqi air force’s brand new Lockheed Martin F-16s has crashed in the Arizona desert in an apparent training accident.
The aircraft, which was being flown by an Iraqi student pilot on a night training mission, went down eight miles east of the Douglas Municipal Airport on the USA-Mexico border.
Iraqi pilots have been training with the Arizona Air National Guard's 162nd Fighter Wing since 2012 at an international F-16 schoolhouse based at the Tucson International Airport. This has also supported pilot training for F-16 operators from Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland and Singapore, and was chosen to house Iraqi F-16s after the Islamic State terrorist group overran large parts of western Iraq early last year.
Baghdad had hoped to receive its first F-16s last September, but they were instead diverted to Tucson to support pilot training until the security situation in Iraq improves.
“The status of the pilot is still unknown at this time,” the 162nd Wing said in a 25 June statement, noting that the aircraft belonged to Iraq and was not one of the many USAF jets assigned to training. “The air force has assembled an interim safety board to investigate the incident,” it adds.
The first 14 Iraqi aircraft had been due to arrive in Tucson pending a further basing decision. Iraq has ordered 36 of the type via a Foreign Military Sales deal, and those aircraft are currently being assembled by Lockheed in Fort Worth, Texas.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-16-belonging-to-iraqi-air-force-crashes-in-arizona-414080/
New F16 the prob
I think go Mig 29 ok
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Book. wrote:F-16 belonging to Iraqi Air Force crashes in Arizona
By: JAMES DREWWASHINGTON DC
The US Air Force has confirmed that one of the Iraqi air force’s brand new Lockheed Martin F-16s has crashed in the Arizona desert in an apparent training accident.
The aircraft, which was being flown by an Iraqi student pilot on a night training mission, went down eight miles east of the Douglas Municipal Airport on the USA-Mexico border.
Iraqi pilots have been training with the Arizona Air National Guard's 162nd Fighter Wing since 2012 at an international F-16 schoolhouse based at the Tucson International Airport. This has also supported pilot training for F-16 operators from Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland and Singapore, and was chosen to house Iraqi F-16s after the Islamic State terrorist group overran large parts of western Iraq early last year.
Baghdad had hoped to receive its first F-16s last September, but they were instead diverted to Tucson to support pilot training until the security situation in Iraq improves.
“The status of the pilot is still unknown at this time,” the 162nd Wing said in a 25 June statement, noting that the aircraft belonged to Iraq and was not one of the many USAF jets assigned to training. “The air force has assembled an interim safety board to investigate the incident,” it adds.
The first 14 Iraqi aircraft had been due to arrive in Tucson pending a further basing decision. Iraq has ordered 36 of the type via a Foreign Military Sales deal, and those aircraft are currently being assembled by Lockheed in Fort Worth, Texas.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-16-belonging-to-iraqi-air-force-crashes-in-arizona-414080/
New F16 the prob
I think go Mig 29 ok
Doesn't look like anything technical at fault, more the fact that they let some untrained yahoo at the controls.
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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flamming_python wrote:Book. wrote:F-16 belonging to Iraqi Air Force crashes in Arizona
By: JAMES DREWWASHINGTON DC
The US Air Force has confirmed that one of the Iraqi air force’s brand new Lockheed Martin F-16s has crashed in the Arizona desert in an apparent training accident.
The aircraft, which was being flown by an Iraqi student pilot on a night training mission, went down eight miles east of the Douglas Municipal Airport on the USA-Mexico border.
Iraqi pilots have been training with the Arizona Air National Guard's 162nd Fighter Wing since 2012 at an international F-16 schoolhouse based at the Tucson International Airport. This has also supported pilot training for F-16 operators from Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland and Singapore, and was chosen to house Iraqi F-16s after the Islamic State terrorist group overran large parts of western Iraq early last year.
Baghdad had hoped to receive its first F-16s last September, but they were instead diverted to Tucson to support pilot training until the security situation in Iraq improves.
“The status of the pilot is still unknown at this time,” the 162nd Wing said in a 25 June statement, noting that the aircraft belonged to Iraq and was not one of the many USAF jets assigned to training. “The air force has assembled an interim safety board to investigate the incident,” it adds.
The first 14 Iraqi aircraft had been due to arrive in Tucson pending a further basing decision. Iraq has ordered 36 of the type via a Foreign Military Sales deal, and those aircraft are currently being assembled by Lockheed in Fort Worth, Texas.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-16-belonging-to-iraqi-air-force-crashes-in-arizona-414080/
New F16 the prob
I think go Mig 29 ok
Doesn't look like anything technical at fault, more the fact that they let some untrained yahoo at the controls.
if you read over on the keypub forum you'd see that the pilot at the controls was a veteran former SU-22 pilot (10 years on SU-22) who has several thousand jet hours including hundreds on the F16. The fact that this was his last training flight before his return to Iraq... he was the most senior Iraqi fighter pilot still active and was the squadron commander for the first F16 squadron. He was one of 10 pilots trained to become instructors for future F16 pilots and had additional training and flight hours as a result.
This crash, along with the Iraqi Finance ministry (finance minister is kurdish and the uncle of Barzani) cutting off the salaries of 457 technicians and engineers undergoing training in Jordan on F16 you can see a general trend to "delay" and "disrupt" the delivery of fighter jets to Iraq at any cost.
A brand new jet, operated and maintained by "US service personel" and flown by a senior fighter pilot who flew jets for 20+ years... to crash so abruptly and without ejection is rather mysterious.
Which is why the iraqis should have bought the MiG29M/MiG35 already! no such "charades" could be played then.
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Crash of Iraqi F 16 aircraft represents a US-message pointing that Iraqi pilots are not qualified.
26/06/2015 14:38
Baghdad / NINA /--MP, Ali al-Adib head of the parliamentary bloc of the State of Law coalition headed by former PM ,Nuri al-Maliki said : "The F/16 aircraft crash dedicated to Iraq within the US arms deal is not a merely simple military accident but is an American message saying that Iraqi pilots are not qualified for such a type of aircraft .
Adib pointed out that this accident targets to delay the delivery of the aircraft to Iraq, that the incident meet the desire of certain Iraqi parties / unnamed / who do not want to complete arming of Iraqi army, despite the escalation of terrorism in Iraq.
Adib said in a statement today: "This incident came in conjunction with the proximity of the aircraft delivery to Iraq after a long procrastination by US and
many difficulties with Washington ./End
http://ninanews.com/Website/News_Details.aspx?NMc%252bcnhuPv5modBbWvOsqkJNrQWbpZUukINdh%252f6tASs%253d
Iraq Mig 29 if only... No trust obama !
R27
Kh 59
Kh 31
Kab 500
Kh 29
Iraq pilot luv Kh 29 missle.
I think time for update.
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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I doubt it was sabotage this time. KDP is not that powerful to sabotage from within the US on an airbase controlled by them neither do they know to start with, it's unlikely, all the sabotage they do is by politics not intel, cyber warfare, electronic warfare etc. They can't do that. Crashes with new aircraft do happen, not just military aircraft. I'll guess we have to wait for the investigation, though how much will that bring no idea.
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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I can understand problems happening with the aircraft. but for it to simply explode in mid air with the pilot not ejecting (and there being no collision) is a rare event indeed.
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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sheytanelkebir wrote:I can understand problems happening with the aircraft. but for it to simply explode in mid air with the pilot not ejecting (and there being no collision) is a rare event indeed.
Are you sure it exploded in mid air ?
Don't know where you got that from, they were flying at night. Could've been a collision with the ground or an obstacle as well, pilot tried saving the aircraft instead of ejecting.
Either way if it was in Iraq the chance of sabotage would be higher, though there, bypassing all that security and having American technicians make sure it goes down. I really doubt it, and even if done no way KDP could, US could but I don't see why they would, just bad news for their F-16. If they want to delay they'll easily find an excuse.
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well there's a discussion on the topic here... http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27474&sid=045d6ca5e9f3f4cea0bece91314d9556&start=15
GarryB- Posts : 40537
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Iraq Mig 29 if only... No trust obama !
R27
Kh 59
Kh 31
Kab 500
Kh 29
Iraq pilot luv Kh 29 missle.
If they do I would recommend they also order the Kh-25 family of missiles... especially the laser homing model and the TV and IIR guided models that the Soviets didn't really put into service.
The Kh-25 is a light compact weapon of about 350kgs with a 10-12km range for most models with a 90kg warhead. A different class than the Kh-29 with its 320kg HE warhead and TV and laser homing guidance options...
the Kh-25 would be a useful addition to the Su-25... especially in the fire and forget TV and IIR guided models, but for supporting ground troops then the laser homing model would be very useful too... whether the ground troops themselves lase the target or a UAV does it...
iraqidabab- Posts : 316
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Saudi again violated Iraqi airspace trying to ship arms to Barzani, not to fight IS but to create trouble for Iraq. US blocked the delivery.
Hopefully a wake up call to the Iraqi govt to make migs/sukhois a higher priority
Hopefully a wake up call to the Iraqi govt to make migs/sukhois a higher priority
AlfaT8- Posts : 2488
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One can only hope, btw Dabab would you happen to know what the Iraqi air-force currently thinks about the Mig-29, considering what happened in '03 i was wondering whether they think highly or lowly of the Migs??iraqidabab wrote:Saudi again violated Iraqi airspace trying to ship arms to Barzani, not to fight IS but to create trouble for Iraq. US blocked the delivery.
Hopefully a wake up call to the Iraqi govt to make migs/sukhois a higher priority
