Iraqi Air Force

AlfaT8 wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Saudi again violated Iraqi airspace trying to ship arms to Barzani, not to fight IS but to create trouble for Iraq. US blocked the delivery.

Hopefully a wake up call to the Iraqi govt to make migs/sukhois a higher priority

One can only hope, btw Dabab would you happen to know what the Iraqi air-force currently thinks about the Mig-29, considering what happened in '03 i was wondering whether they think highly or lowly of the Migs??

Talks about mig-35's in the Iraqi ministry of defense have been confirmed several times. A air force magazine stated that an Iraqi pilot made a test flight in Mig-35 bort 747. I remember mack8 posted this on another forum. News from around 2013.

A deal for jets would most likely be for a Su-30 version though. Seems like the most first at hand option given it's good capability of air superiority. But with the worsening US-Russia situation and the US having again presence in Iraq I don't see it happening. Meanwhile US aircraft come with a load of strings, no AMRAAM etc. France is expensive, Eurofighter is in the Saudi pocket. What's left.

iraqidabab wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Saudi again violated Iraqi airspace trying to ship arms to Barzani, not to fight IS but to create trouble for Iraq. US blocked the delivery.

Hopefully a wake up call to the Iraqi govt to make migs/sukhois a higher priority

One can only hope, btw Dabab would you happen to know what the Iraqi air-force currently thinks about the Mig-29, considering what happened in '03 i was wondering whether they think highly or lowly of the Migs??

Talks about mig-35's in the Iraqi ministry of defense have been confirmed several times. A air force magazine stated that an Iraqi pilot made a test flight in Mig-35 bort 747. I remember mack8 posted this on another forum. News from around 2013.

A deal for jets would most likely be for a Su-30 version though. Seems like the most first at hand option given it's good capability of air superiority. But with the worsening US-Russia situation and the US having again presence in Iraq I don't see it happening. Meanwhile US aircraft come with a load of strings, no AMRAAM etc. France is expensive, Eurofighter is in the Saudi pocket. What's left.

Griphen, no wait that wont do, has there been any talks with China on possible J-10 purchases or is that out of the question??

BTW, SU-30 is a great aircraft, but it seems a bit over-kill, the Mig-29M/SMT makes more sense IMO.

Iraq and Iran could easily order Su-30MK2 fighters as order for Vietnam will be finished this year and production for Iraq and Iran could start next year. If they equip them with Zhuk-MS radar and targeting pods, they will be no worse than Saudi F-15S.

new mi-35m and mi-17



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Also a technical error with a SU-25 which caused civilian death. due to long delay before the bomb was dropped despite the pilot trying to release it.

so you are saying there was a mechanical error with the bomb not releasing when it was dropped/fired, but randomly while returning to base?

Prince Darling wrote:so you are saying there was a mechanical error with the bomb not releasing when it was dropped/fired, but randomly while returning to base?

Yes. Though this happens, what the real problem is is that the Iraqi air force doesn't have procedures for such incidents. When there's an error in releasing the bomb the pilot should avoid populated area's in his return to base, this pilot flew right above the capital. So imagine what the consequences would've been if an embassy was hit. What's even worse is that after it happened they won't learn from it, they won't think about it.

Iraqi fighter jet accidentally bombs Baghdad when missile got stuck after ISIS assault

Sources in Baghdad’s military say the pilot had meant to drop the bomb on ISIS but the release mechanism was delayed until the plane was above the capital.

iraqidabab wrote:

Prince Darling wrote:so you are saying there was a mechanical error with the bomb not releasing when it was dropped/fired, but randomly while returning to base?

Yes. Though this happens, what the real problem is is that the Iraqi air force doesn't have procedures for such incidents. When there's an error in releasing the bomb the pilot should avoid populated area's in his return to base, this pilot flew right above the capital. So imagine what the consequences would've been if an embassy was hit. What's even worse is that after it happened they won't learn from it, they won't think about it.

Iraqi fighter jet accidentally bombs Baghdad when missile got stuck after ISIS assault

Sources in Baghdad’s military say the pilot had meant to drop the bomb on ISIS but the release mechanism was delayed until the plane was above the capital.

yeah my thoughts exactly, its basic logic, that you would fly over desert if you are carrying bombs that could drop at any moment, but i understand that if you are in the cockpit in such a situation without clear guidelines what to do in that exact moment. Still traffic control should have figured this out immedietly and guide the plane in on a safe path

First Iraqi-Piloted US F-16 Fighters Land in Iraq After Months of Delay

The first batch of US F-16 fighter jets piloted by Iraqis landed on Monday at Iraq’s Balad air base north of Baghdad, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said in an announcement on its website.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The announcement was confirmed on Twitter by US Ambassador Brett McGurk, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Iraq and Iran in the US Department of State’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs.

"After years of preparation & training in the U.S., Iraqi pilots today landed the 1st squadron of Iraqi F16s in Iraq," he tweeted.

The White House said Sunday there were 30 Iraqi Air Force pilots in the training pipeline.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150713/1024561118.html#ixzz3foc69JKe


The first fighter F-16IQ Iraqi Air Force arrived at Balad base near Baghdad


Video of the Iraqi television with the arrival of the first 4 F-16IQ.

イラク、F16戦闘機を受領　Iraq receives US-made F16s


Iraq monk f16 debut

Iraq is apparently buying an178 from Ukraine. No news on quantities.

Iraq Puts New F-16s Into Action Against Islamic State

BAGHDAD — Iraq has put F-16 warplanes acquired from the United States into action against the Islamic State group for the first time, the commander of the air force said Sunday.

"Fifteen air strikes were carried out in the past four days," Staff Lt. Gen. Anwar Hama Amin told AFP following a news conference in Baghdad.

"Smart weapons" were used in the strikes, Amin said, without specifying the type.

Defense Minister Khaled al-Obaidi told the news conference that the strikes had achieved "important results" and that the jets will have "an impact on the conduct of operations in the future."

Amin told the news conference that the F-16 strikes had taken place in Salaheddin and Kirkuk provinces, north of Baghdad.

The first four Iraqi F-16s arrived from the United States in mid-July, out of a total of 36 Washington has agreed to sell to Baghdad.

The purchase had been a source of tension, with Baghdad repeatedly complaining that they have not been delivered quickly enough.

Insecurity in Iraq, where IS seized significant territory in June 2014, had delayed the delivery of the jets, with the first batch being sent to Arizona, where Iraqi pilots have been training.

An Iraqi pilot was killed when his F-16 crashed during training in Arizona earlier this year.

F-16 jets are much more sophisticated than other aircraft in Baghdad's arsenal and will boost Iraq's capacity for air strikes, which are currently carried out by aging Sukhoi Su-25 jets, Cessna Caravan turboprop aircraft and various helicopters.

But with foreign aircraft from the international anti-IS coalition also carrying out strikes against the jihadists on a daily basis, the delivery is not seen as a game changer in the war against the militants.

Werent they recently praising the Su-25's now complaining?

Werent they recently praising the Su-25's now complaining?

Especially when the Su-25 is the younger aircraft of the two mentioned... I guess the F-16 does not age... the Dorian Gray of aircraft...

Iraqi t-50iq flies in July 2015

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=392682

Москва. 16 октября. ИНТЕРФАКС-АВН - Россия поставила Ираку истребители Су-30, и они уже наносят удары по позициям боевиков "Исламского государства", сообщают иракские СМИ со ссылкой на пресс-центр иракской армии Media War Cell (MWC).
По данным MWC, "истребитель типа "Сухой" уничтожил три укрытия боевиков в провинции Салахеддин и их автоколонну, которая направлялась в город Мосул".
Сообщение сопровождается фотографией истребителя Су-30 с иракскими опознавательными знаками.
Информация о том, что ВВС Ирака получили истребители Су-30, прозвучала впервые.

Interesting news, that Iraq receive Su-30 fighters from Russia and they already made three strikes against ISIS in Salah al Din province. I wonder which Su-30 they are. Maybe they are those 6 ex-Indian Su-30K, which Angola didn't buy as I doubt Russia deliver any new Su-30 from their own air force. Maybe they are new Su-30MK2 from KnAAZ as Irkut is busy with other orders. Who knows.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/10/01/pancir/

Кроме того, в июне текущего года в Ирак были доставлены десять истребителей Су-30К, вероятно, ранее принадлежавших Индии и замененных в составе индийских ВВС боевыми самолетами Су-30МКИ. Некоторые из полученных типов вооружения, в частности вертолеты Ми-28НЭ, Ирак планирует использовать для нанесения ударов по позициям боевиков «Исламского государства».

Quite interesting and mostly unnoticed information regarding Iraqi Su-30K. It seems Iraqi air force receive 10 Su-30K in June 2014. Most probably 6 ex-indian Su-30K and maybe 4 ex-RuAF old Su-30 (51, 52, 53 and 54), which are not seen for some time. I wonder, if they are modernized to Su-30KN standard with Glonass and GPS satellite navigation and ground attack modes in radar as well as capabilities to use R-77 missiles and replacing old screens with newer LCD displays. I think Russia still have some more old Su-30, so they could deliver 2 more to equip full squadron of them.

medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2014/10/01/pancir/

Кроме того, в июне текущего года в Ирак были доставлены десять истребителей Су-30К, вероятно, ранее принадлежавших Индии и замененных в составе индийских ВВС боевыми самолетами Су-30МКИ. Некоторые из полученных типов вооружения, в частности вертолеты Ми-28НЭ, Ирак планирует использовать для нанесения ударов по позициям боевиков «Исламского государства».

Quite interesting and mostly unnoticed information regarding Iraqi Su-30K. It seems Iraqi air force receive 10 Su-30K in June 2014. Most probably 6 ex-indian Su-30K and maybe 4 ex-RuAF old Su-30 (51, 52, 53 and 54), which are not seen for some time. I wonder, if they are modernized to Su-30KN standard with Glonass and GPS satellite navigation and ground attack modes in radar as well as capabilities to use R-77 missiles and replacing old screens with newer LCD displays. I think Russia still have some more old Su-30, so they could deliver 2 more to equip full squadron of them.

I'm pretty sure its missing reporting and they are talking about Su-25. If Iraq had Su-30 since 2014 we would of seen something by this point. Also last we heard the ex-Indian Su-30K were sold to Angola.

Flyboy77 wrote:

medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2014/10/01/pancir/

Кроме того, в июне текущего года в Ирак были доставлены десять истребителей Су-30К, вероятно, ранее принадлежавших Индии и замененных в составе индийских ВВС боевыми самолетами Су-30МКИ. Некоторые из полученных типов вооружения, в частности вертолеты Ми-28НЭ, Ирак планирует использовать для нанесения ударов по позициям боевиков «Исламского государства».

Quite interesting and mostly unnoticed information regarding Iraqi Su-30K. It seems Iraqi air force receive 10 Su-30K in June 2014. Most probably 6 ex-indian Su-30K and maybe 4 ex-RuAF old Su-30 (51, 52, 53 and 54), which are not seen for some time. I wonder, if they are modernized to Su-30KN standard with Glonass and GPS satellite navigation and ground attack modes in radar as well as capabilities to use R-77 missiles and replacing old screens with newer LCD displays. I think Russia still have some more old Su-30, so they could deliver 2 more to equip full squadron of them.

I'm pretty sure its missing reporting and they are talking about Su-25. If Iraq had Su-30 since 2014 we would of seen something by this point. Also last we heard the ex-Indian Su-30K were sold to Angola.

Angola buy 12 from 18 ex-Indian Su-30K. Remaining 6 could be bought by Iraq. Russia could as well sell to Iraq their old Su-30 from the nineties. Delivering them to Iraq doesn't necessary mean they were in Iraq in that time, but most probably still in Russia, where Iraqi crews train on those planes as it is totally new plane for them, because Iraq didn't have Flankers before. Considering, that they made ground attacks on ISIS, than they are most probably modernized to Su-30KN level. Basic Su-30 was only air superiority fighter. It seems this program was well kept in secret and first combat use of Iraqi Su-30 comes as real surprise.

Also Su-25 operate in combat in Iraq for around a year now, while those new Su-30 fighters made their first attacks now.

WELL WELL

Chinese Killer Drones in Iraq

The presence of precision weapons in the Iraqi Air Force

AGM-65 Maverick - 100
500-pound GBU-12 Paveway II LGB - 200
2000 pound GBU-10 Paveway II LGB - 50
2000 pound GBU-24 Paveway III LGB - 50

As can be seen in comparison with the intensity that shows the Russian air force, the number of high-precision weapons are not so great, although Iraq is virtually no required in sufficient quantities.

The article also provides an interesting fact related to the pre-contract struggle for Iraqi order. The Iraqi Defense Ministry announced its intention to acquire multi-role fighter for its air force in 2008. Candidates were Lockheed Martin F-16 and Dassault Mirage 2000. Because by the time the production line for the production of the Mirage 2000 was already closed, and the United Arab Emirates planned to recover their French Mirage 2000-9, there was an idea to transfer them to Iraq after the upgrade. However, the French, under the pretext of modern technology on the Mirage 2000-9 refused to sell it and instead offered 19 modernized Mirage F1 (similar to the Moroccan Mirage F1EM VI) of 733 million euros, that is one-fourth of the cost of the same amount of new F-16 weapons and ground equipment. Iraq, of course, refused.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1537283.html

George1 wrote:The presence of precision weapons in the Iraqi Air Force

AGM-65 Maverick - 100
500-pound GBU-12 Paveway II LGB - 200
2000 pound GBU-10 Paveway II LGB - 50
2000 pound GBU-24 Paveway III LGB - 50

As can be seen in comparison with the intensity that shows the Russian air force, the number of high-precision weapons are not so great, although Iraq is virtually no required in sufficient quantities.

The article also provides an interesting fact related to the pre-contract struggle for Iraqi order. The Iraqi Defense Ministry announced its intention to acquire multi-role fighter for its air force in 2008. Candidates were Lockheed Martin F-16 and Dassault Mirage 2000. Because by the time the production line for the production of the Mirage 2000 was already closed, and the United Arab Emirates planned to recover their French Mirage 2000-9, there was an idea to transfer them to Iraq after the upgrade. However, the French, under the pretext of modern technology on the Mirage 2000-9 refused to sell it and instead offered 19 modernized Mirage F1 (similar to the Moroccan Mirage F1EM VI) of 733 million euros, that is one-fourth of the cost of the same amount of new F-16 weapons and ground equipment. Iraq, of course, refused.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1537283.html

The saddest thing is, that of those 40 F-16s Iraq had ordered in 2008 only 3 or 4 have been delivered as of 2015.
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Man, if it weren't for Russia Iraq would be royally screwed, hell i'd wager Baghdad would have fallen by now.

AlfaT8 wrote:

George1 wrote:The presence of precision weapons in the Iraqi Air Force

AGM-65 Maverick - 100
500-pound GBU-12 Paveway II LGB - 200
2000 pound GBU-10 Paveway II LGB - 50
2000 pound GBU-24 Paveway III LGB - 50

As can be seen in comparison with the intensity that shows the Russian air force, the number of high-precision weapons are not so great, although Iraq is virtually no required in sufficient quantities.

The article also provides an interesting fact related to the pre-contract struggle for Iraqi order. The Iraqi Defense Ministry announced its intention to acquire multi-role fighter for its air force in 2008. Candidates were Lockheed Martin F-16 and Dassault Mirage 2000. Because by the time the production line for the production of the Mirage 2000 was already closed, and the United Arab Emirates planned to recover their French Mirage 2000-9, there was an idea to transfer them to Iraq after the upgrade. However, the French, under the pretext of modern technology on the Mirage 2000-9 refused to sell it and instead offered 19 modernized Mirage F1 (similar to the Moroccan Mirage F1EM VI) of 733 million euros, that is one-fourth of the cost of the same amount of new F-16 weapons and ground equipment. Iraq, of course, refused.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1537283.html

The saddest thing is, that of those 40 F-16s Iraq had ordered in 2008 only 3 or 4 have been delivered as of 2015.
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Man, if it weren't for Russia Iraq would be royally screwed, hell i'd wager Baghdad would have fallen by now.

Hypothetically, if Iraq were to submit a request for assistance to the Russian Federation, and Russia were to agree to fly combat missions, how would these missions be executed? Latakia is at capacity, and although they could fly missions from mainland Russia, it wouldn't be very efficient in the long run. New base in Iraq? Borrow a field from Iran?