Russian Economy General News: #11

Vann has a man crush on the Chinese president...

GarryB wrote:Vann has a man crush on the Chinese president...

Mao was prettier, just sayin'

The U.S. Is About to Vastly Increase Its Debt. That’s a Good Thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/upshot/stimulus-national-debt-coronavirus.html

GarryB wrote:Vann has a man crush on the Chinese president...

any kind of ignorance.. is not surprising from you GArryB..  if that what you get.
im not a fan of anyone , but the chinese president is doing the right things.. and putin is not.
whats wrong with wanting Russia to become a truly independent nation ? and that it earns the respect
it deserves? what wrong with wanting a world focused in business without wars?

Putin will never ,in a Trillion of years , achieve that.. a world of peace ,focused on business
while at the same time supporting the american system. He is part of the problem.. for refusing
to fight back the west.. he mistakenly believe that by being polite and by looking to the other side ,
whenever they attack Russia ,that by ignoring americans that Russia can prosper and have peace..  
the only thing will achieve is the destruction of the world.. because don't fight back evil.. building a more powerful army with better weapons, and nukes will not work if not used.. to stop them..
 like i told you a million of times , is that bullies with an obsession
to destroy you.. the only thing they will understand is force , but also you can also influence them
with business success in things they don't have and will like to have.

1) you either defeat them in a real war .
2) or , you influence them with success ,with leadership.. by showing them , they can benefit enormously ,in having a good relation with you.  

and im promoting #2.
yeah Putin needs to modernize the army.. because of he failed to influence their enemies in any other way.
but work even harder in civilian business that competes directly with them.
Putin do neither fight them.. and neither influence them.. is an influence problem.. a leadership problem.
what putin's Russia face.. this is because every nation ,and every single human being can be influenced..
whether they are evil or not. even animals can be influenced.. so is an influence problem. that Putin don't develop Russia in a way that influence americans.. so they invest heavily in the destruction of russia.

 because there is no respect to russia.. then russia gets
sanctions and terror wars.. and now they attacking russia with biological weapons..

So when is Russia going to fight back Garryb?  just to wait for the future ,and hope that a better
government shows up in US ,that will magically "Restore relations" is not a realistic strategy..
is dreaming with unicorns.. US have a system in place.. and they will not allow anyone to take it down.
And will fight to death to hold their system in place... so either Russia defeat them in a military fight or they influence them with Success and Business leaders.. there are examples already of how they backdown in their hostilities.. and cooperate with russia when russia have a business ,that they like and need.. like Russian space rockets.. So why not expand your influence over americans with far bigger success in your space program?  they will be fools , to refuse cooperation with Russia ,if they notice one day Russia have mastered space ,and leads in space exploration.

is an influence issue.. a leadership issue.. what Russia face.. they see Russia as a gas station ,as a backward nation with a backward culture..that the only thing they do is weapons and space rockets.. and Putin is the only one to blame for this outdated development of Russia. because to remain happy with just being a taxi to the iss..is terrible.

If one day Russia impress them with modern business ,that they like.. then they will want to be part of that success.. americans likes technology and entertainment that benefits their society directly ..and love space too.. and this is what Putin's government needs to promote.. and give a hand with funding. instead of promoting meaningless sports and olympic distractions and bananas farming records.. what putin needs to promote is science and modern tech and a modern culture with and space exploration medals. this is when they will raise the white flag and stop their wars and ask for friendship.. when they need Russia and they don't have an alternative to it.

any kind of ignorance.. is not surprising from you GArryB.. if that what you get.
im not a fan of anyone , but the chinese president is doing the right things.. and putin is not.
whats wrong with wanting Russia to become a truly independent nation ? and that it earns the respect
it deserves? what wrong with wanting a world focused in business without wars?

You have never listened before, but who knows... something might slip in...

The world is a game of poker and no one has the same hand... the president of China is in a different chair and is holding different cards, so of course he cannot afford to play the same hand Putin plays... the current situation is that a lot of things produced on this planet are produced in China on behalf of western companies who were abusing Chinas low wages and lack of workers rights compared with their own... the point is that the west has been playing this game for centuries and pretty soon they are going to shift production to Banglidesh or India or some other country with large poor populations... hell... the value of the ruble means a few car companies will likely open up factories in Russia...

The point is that one player at the table has a printer and is printing his money fresh for every stake... how long do you think those players will tolerate that?

When this pandemic ends the west might reconsider producing their stuff in China despite its low costs, for Russia it has been a lesson that making all the stuff you need is more valuable than foreign investment and all the other shit the west tries to sell.

What is wrong with your ideas is that you want Russia to act just like the west as a cure for a world focused on business rather than wars... it is the wests focus on wars to acquire resources that makes a world focussed on business impossible.

The west is made up of former imperial Americas... the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, etc etc obviously most never got on Americas scale... but like minded assholes who think they are rich because they deserve to be and the rest of the worlds population is black and stupid and lazy and corrupt and deserve to be poor and working to make their lives nice... the sooner they are put in their place the better...

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What is wrong with your ideas is that you want Russia to act just like the west as a cure for a world focused on business rather than wars... it is the wests focus on wars to acquire resources that makes a world focussed on business impossible.

The west is made up of former imperial Americas... the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, etc etc obviously most never got on Americas scale... but like minded assholes who think they are rich because they deserve to be and the rest of the worlds population is black and stupid and lazy and corrupt and deserve to be poor and working to make their lives nice... the sooner they are put in their place the better...

What i want is that Russia fights back... that it does be so weak and allow Americans to destroy them so easily..
this is a very dangerous game Garryb.. what putin is playing.. his passiveness ,his weakness is encouraging
his enemies to continue attacking Russia... so how can you develop a nation economy if you are attacked with
bio weapons again and again and again ? and sink oil prices to $10 ?????

Putin is even sending supplies to US after this bio attack..  
he insist in being polite , and nice.. he have been doing that for 20 years already ,that don't work Garryb.
US have not changed not even one centimeter its foreign policy of breaking Russia from the inside with in
a long war at Russia economy.. if putin sells limonades.. they will create industrial companies of limonades
at russian borders..Moral of the story,whatever business Putin seek to invest.. they will also create a competition to that business.. and here is the catch.. they can do that.. because Putin is running building the Russian economy in the most lamest and laziest way.. heavily focused on energy business with "diversification" in selling more food..  This is the only major "change" in Russia economy since 2014 "pivot to asia" .
That now Russia invest heavily in agriculture and a fortune in olympics infrastructure to make Russia
the "capital of sports" , as putin told..  and what they did? they banned Russia from the olympics..  

So this is embarrassing GarryB how easy the west can outplay Russia.  
now with this Biological attack.. who in Russia think it will be possible to hold an major sport event?
that will be collective suicide..

Even Putin right hand in fighting corona virus.. have got the infection..  
https://www.rt.com/russia/484583-russias-head-of-coronavirus-hospital/

How can Putin encourage the west to stop its attacks.. if he shows a massive vulnerability and
weakness in protecting his own nation..and his own close people..  

i tell you this.. if Putin continue in power.. he is to destroy Russia with his incompetence
and weakness he encourage more hostilities on Russia.. they will continue targeting russia
with bio weapons until nobody left to kill.  


Oil majors are preparing for $10 oil
https://www.rt.com/business/483913-oil-price-collapse-coming/

Neither you ,neither the so called "economic experts" in this forum understand really what holds the
american empire.. is something called  "global Business power and global military power".  Russia only have regional military power..that can't project its military far beyond borders..but is not a business super power..
like US ,China ,South korea or Japan. Russia business at the international level are third rate business vast majority of them..are all focused in commodities.. just like venezuela.. a nation that depends on energy exports
,mining and food exports.. and venezuela is bankrupt already and only alive because of China help.. whats hold the russian economy away of being a third world nation like venezuela ,is that europe have not found an alternative to Russian energy.. thats it..  China is ending its dependence on foreign energy..

he  nearly wasted 20 years of his life ,developing Russia in the wrong direction.. and a gas station economy
with agriculture and tourism and sports as backup.. the russian space industry is not even 5% of russia budget.
perhaps the virus will do something good and that is how mediocre was Putin strategy of investing so much
in business than the west can so easily destroy..  US modern online business are the big winners of this bio attack . China will likelly recover too.. but putin will have to go back to the drawing board and recognize
his gas station project FAILED miserably..  it will be funny if under the bio attack pressure now europe cancel
Russia pipeline project.  but that will not be need.. his gas station dreams are already in ruins.. oil at $10 wondering how will gasprom survive with that. the world will follow only the nations that lead in business and those influence lead in world development. and that will not be Russia.

things like this.. is what encourage Russian enemies to attack Russia..
that is putin weakness.. putin politeness bullshit.. that he have been for 20 years using and with zero results.
now they are targeting russia with bio weapons and putin continue showing his weakness and politeness to
Those seeking to destroy Russia.

Russian Covid-19 aid plane to US: Putin asked Trump if he needed help & he accepted, Kremlin spokesman says
https://www.rt.com/news/484623-russia-coronavirus-aid-us/

fear of a nuclear response was the only little thing that Russia had to warn the west to not attack russia.. now by showing his weakness ,by turning the other cheek ,after being attacked by bio weapon , he is telling his enemies ,they can continue attacking russia ,that he will do nothing. putin weakness and insecurity and lack of strategy is the biggest threat to russia own existence.

Vann7 wrote:What i want is that Russia fights back...

They are fighting back... for themselves, not for whatever dumb stupid shit you think they should be fighting

If you think that current world order in not to your liking then you should get your own country to do something about it

I always said the 1/3rd of the US GDP was and still is artificially inflated:

"The Biggest Decline Ever": Goldman Now Sees US GDP Crashing 34% In Q2

And that is your problem Vann, why do you think it is in the best interests of Russia to openly fight the US?

Economically and politically and militarily they know they will suffer and are unlikely to survive because America is stupid enough to resort to nukes so everyone loses.

You seem to see America and Russia as two similar sized kids in a play ground with American teasing Russia and trying to get them to fight, while Putins Russia is refusing to fight knowing it can kick their arse.

The problem with your scenario is that America is the son of the Headmaster of the school and the best possible result is likely to be sent home and expelled and isolated from the kids also going to school.

Of course what you have not realised is that America is a and has been pissing off kids all the time and even the ones pretending to be his friend really don't like him because he is an arrogant .

School does not last forever, and there will come a time when everyone moves on from this school to the next school where America did not design or control everything and that things will be much more balanced and even and people will choose who they want to trade with and who they do not and America has not been competitive for quite some time... they dominate markets with fairly ordinary products, but the lack of competition is because they killed it because they can't compete in a fair competition so when they lose their ability to impose laws or sanction countries into doing as they say they will find their products wont sell at all.

Right now the US is dealing with the Russian problem by pushing them away which is excellent for Russia... the last thing Russia needs it to become a robot in the current world order which is designed to push money towards the 1% in the west... Russia and the world will be much better off with a different system that rewards everyone who puts in effort... not just rewards monetary investment to make them even more money...

Replacement effect: Russia has prepared a new industrialization strategy,Only until 2024 it will take 3 trillion rubles
Dmitry Grinkevich

https://iz.ru/993781/dmitrii-grinkevich-aleksandr-volobuev/effekt-zameny-v-rf-podgotovili-novuiu-strategiiu-industrializatcii

The development strategy is grouped into 14 areas, which may include several industries . Each of them has been assigned planned targets, which should be achieved by 2035. Here are the main ones:

Aircraft industry . It is planned to increase production by 85% to the level of 2020, increase the share of civilian products to 42%, increase the presence of Russian aircraft and helicopter manufacturers in world markets to 10.5% and 16.4%, respectively;

Shipbuilding . Capacity utilization growth at least up to 80% and output increase 2.2 times;
Electronic industry . Revenue growth to 7 trillion rubles and an increase in industry output in GDP to 5.1%;
Medicine . The increase in production to 320 billion rubles and the annual registration of at least 150 Russian medical devices;

Pharmaceutics . Increasing the share of Russian innovative drugs in the total production in the Russian Federation to 92%.
Automotive industry . Creation of a new line of cars with sales growth rates of 40–50% per year, in particular, drones and electric vehicles;

The agricultural industry . Increasing the share of Russian manufacturers in the domestic market to at least 80%;
Power engineering . Take a global market share of 15%;

Machine tool industry . An increase in the share of Russian products in the Russian Federation to 55% or up to 82 billion rubles, ensuring growth rates of at least 15%;

Waste treatment and disposal . To increase the share of utilized or neutralized waste to 98%;

Defense complex . To increase the output of high-tech civilian products to 60% of the total.

Russia has an economy that is big enough to achieve these goals. In fact, by having such goals the GDP will increase
and enable their fulfillment. NATzO made a serious mistake in late 2013, early 2014 when it organized the Maidan coup.

This would have happened anyway. But without Maidan/Syria/some other western adventures the big companies in Russia would have offered more resistance to this plans.

The problem is the line of least resistance... if the west had done nothing in 2014 and the Ukraine had accepted the Russian and Chinese offers of investment, the potential growth and development would have improved life in the Ukraine and I suspect there would be more Ukrainians moving to Russia and China to earn money to send home to family, though Russia would still be leasing Sevastopol and the Crimea would be part of the Ukraine still.

The real problem for Russia is that it would still be importing most of its food from the EU. though perhaps the Ukraine might have met that requirement and boosted its food production...

Also Russia would be using US dollars and there would be a lot less hostility from the west regarding Russia which would mean more business ties to the west that would be developing and growing... which would be bad for Russia ultimately because it would effectively make them more dependent on the US and as we have seen hatred and distrust is just below the surface when it is not proudly worn on the sleeve... there were Americans claiming the Russians put something dangerous in the medical equipment they sent to the US... there was even suspicion this was organised to send people to interfere in the US elections so they had to send them with aide because commercial airlines are no longer operating... it was the only way to get them to the US to corrupt our pure and perfect election system...

The more distance and difference between Russia and the morons currently in control of the west the better for Russia.

(the line of least resistance... it is too easy to make money with western investment and technology when resources are relatively cheap and plentiful like in Russia... you usually don't realise you are getting screwed until it is too late... as most third world businessmen find out...)

GarryB wrote:And that is your problem Vann, why do you think it is in the best interests of Russia to openly fight the US?

why would it will be in Russia best interest to stop the american empire?  
are you kidding?  

is like asking why would be in the best interest of syria to retake idlib and defeat alqaeda that?  

So you go and tell me it... try a bit harder ...use your brain and see if something comes from there.
Why would it be on the interest of Russia to stop a nation ,that is already pushing its allies to help them,
to break russia economy and hiring international terrorist groups to destroy allies ,attacking russian soldiers
,planes and military bases by proxy groups , and now attacking Russia with bio weapons.  so why it will be
on the interest of Russia to fight a nation that is already at war with Russia?   fight with business , this is
what im proposing... putin by doing nothing is encouraging a military fight...because they will increase the
hostilities and will continue killing russian citizens and military with their actions.

GarryB wrote:
Economically and politically and militarily they know they will suffer and are unlikely to survive because America is stupid enough to resort to nukes so everyone loses.  

Wrong.. they don't need nukes.. and i don't think they will ever use them.. thats the point of them of hiding behind middle eat terrorist and ukrainian nazis ...and to fight Russia through sanctions targeting its economy..
all they need is to continue pressuring the economies of Russian allies and creating humanitarian crisis there
as they have been doing in syria and venezuela...and eastern donetsk.. and crimea ..with sanctions , attacking them with their military too ,so that Putin need to send expensive to operate warships ,build military bases invest billions $$ dollars later ,in humanitarian aid and free weapons for their self defense..

GarryB wrote:
 
You seem to see America and Russia as two similar sized kids in a play ground with American teasing Russia and trying to get them to fight, while Putins Russia is refusing to fight knowing it can kick their arse.

mmm ..What? is that what you see.. then you are clueless as always ,of the topic in discussion. lets give you a hint.. in no moment i was proposing Russia to start a world war 3 with nukes and ballistic missiles..    
so you are trolling.. or very slow thinker.

The problem with your scenario is that America is the son of the Headmaster of the school and the best possible result is likely to be sent home and expelled and isolated from the kids also going to school.  

Try harder ,to get a real logic in your arguments ...  

They dominate markets with fairly ordinary products, but the lack of competition is because they killed it because they can't compete in a fair competition so when they lose their ability to impose laws or sanction countries into doing as they say they will find their products wont sell at all.

Finally you get some arguments ,and admit indirectly my points.. so let me say it how it is..
US is the world leader in world development .. development of what? of bananas? wheat records , olympic medals ? no..  im not speaking about symbolic/artificial meaningless leadership like Putin wants to have
in their business.  US is the leader in world development into the future , the nation that most influence the
world..into their orbit and into following their demands and interest.. Their larger economy ,inflated or not..
and position in the world comes from their leadership of their business..  american top business are not optional..
but things that every nation who wants to be modern , needs...  Russia society will start a revolution
without american internet.. their own population and society will start a revolution if one day they find they are disconnected from the world civilization.. if they no longer have american computers with important software  applications for their school or for their studies ,their engineering or architech jobs. if they no longer have their tools for digital art ,digital music, video editing ,movies film making ,video games.. advance electronics. etc etc etc. if they no longer can buy their apple phones or laptops.. if no longer they can buy from japan or europe because of sanctions..
and if they are blocked from the american internet and modern culture.. that whether you like it or not..
is extremely popular and have global reach..  american music and movies and games dominates hands down
in russia and in the entire world.   and when a popular business is not made in USA ,but from another developed nation ,they can signigicantly influence those nation.. as it is japan ,europe and asia.  this is a system. that
Russia is part of it.. and heavily dependent of it too..  so is this dependence Russian weakness.. Russia
lack of true independence , russia lack of competition to america.. What makes Russia extremely weak ,leaderless ,not respected and and vulnerable to the west..

Putin just a couple of weeks ago told..  this is  putin.. not me.. but putin told this ok ???

Putin :  Russia will create such conditions ,that nobody will want to fight us..
https://112.international/russia/russia-creates-such-conditions-so-that-no-one-wants-to-fight-us-putin-49088.html

so what is this if not.. Putin saying..  

-RUSSIA WANTS RESPECT !!!!
-RUSSIA WANTS ITS PLACE !!!
-Russia wants its interest respected in the world.
-Russia wants US and its allies to stop fighting Russia... and leave Russia to prosper in peace.
-Please don't beat me more.. i'm tired of being disrespected..

But if you still have doubts.. what putin told?  

Russia: 'They didn’t listen to us, so listen to us now'  
this was during Putin hypersonic weapons reveal to the world conference...



So basically Putin believe ,that by having faster and better nukes  ,and being polite
with the west.. that NATO will finally listen Russia and will become friends again..  
This is the problem with putin.. he is showing weakness ,by showing guns now ..and trying
to pressure americans with them..     this encourage the west to attack Russia more..
they will say .. putin is about to cry now.. if we pressure him more he will break...
so effectively.. putin weakness and soft teddy bear behavior and lack of competition to the
west in business ,encourage them , motivates nato to increase the pressure even more and
the hostilities , because like i said it before.. weakness encourage bullies ..as much drugs to addicts..
Putin fuels the hostilities of the west with his politeness that is hidden weakness.. and with Russia business weakness too.. and this why the west feel safe ,by attacking Russian soldiers by proxy and attacking syria..
because they know putin is weak and will do nothing..  So no mountain of missiles and bombs
,no conference of hypersonic or re-entry speed rockets , will convince NATO ,to stop its attacks ,economy war
and proxy military war on russia..

Putin told.. you did not listened to us.. but now you will listen..  (during hypersonic conference..)
but he has wrong garryb.. the west still don't listen russia..even after the hypersonic show.  nobody listen weak leaders and insecure leaders Garryb..with nations that 95% of their civilian business are third rate.. ,if compared with americans. and their allied nations... . and so putin and russia  will continue being disrespected its nations interest and so will continue to be attacked ... no matter how many new weapons putin creates... because they know Putin is weak and will never dare to use those weapons , to get respect through the use of force..

So if putin don't want to fight with weapons.. (i never proposed him to fight with weapons)
then he need to fight with business.. to break the american system ,the US leadership ,so that no longer
NATO exist and no longer nations cooperate with western hostile policies towards Russia..

simply Putin doesn't have the character ,the security and confidence ,the leadership skills
to break the american system.. nobody will follow an insecure autoritarian midget. other than rejected
nations .. China is a leader and will not follow Russia.. but it will be the other way . russia will follow china..
Putin needs to fight like china do it.. without firing a bullet.. have outmatched american IT and communications
giants in the world.. and this is a big blow to the american high tech industry.. one step closer to the end
of the american empire.. this is how you stop bullies.. with force.. if don't want to use military force.. then need to use business force.. so is better and more modern business ,and to stop being polite and insecure ,what putin needs to do.

this is how putin waste Russian limited budget.. and limited economy..

https://www.rbth.com/travel/331762-russian-disneyland-opens


 and not surprising the park is full of american culture products..  
Russia needs a real revolution.. a real independence garryB.. that can be done with
a business revolution ,that helps counter the western business world and western culture..
instead of endorsing it.. .even more..

Russian sanctions "not working".. but still Putin was upset when he failed to get them
raised to fight corona virus..

how embarrassing ,Putin goes and provide humanitarian aid to US..
because he is a teddy bear... but yet when he need cooperation from US in removing
the sanctions than in this forum is claimed "dont work" , they kick him
in the ass.. again . it can't be more embarrassing than this..

https://www.rt.com/news/484850-russia-un-resolution-coronavirus-sanctions/

Putin bad habits never change.. still he believed ,politeness and his humanitarian aid, will convince the west
to end their economic siege on Russia and its allies..

Russia should use this crisis as an opportunity and introduce stimulus of 3-5 % of GDP into Medical Sector , Space and Satellite program, Civilan Aircraft program, Look at the shortcoming and invest there.

3-5 % is around 3-5 trillion roubles they can easily print , Russian Ruble coped wonderfully in this crisis and in many ways decouple itself from Ural Blend cost.

Inflation might increase a bit but that is ok , Hope Putin does not end trying to control inflation and deficit and does not do the stimilus. Russia has enough Forex not that it is needed to overcome this crisis.

Russia has three producers of the required equipment but will now have a 4th which is the remnant of the Soviet motorcycle
company Izevsk. The production was converted to medical and military electronics a long time ago. So the stimulus to
diversify production is there.

flamming_python wrote:Dear God

You've done it. All of you.

Now Vann7 is on a ranting rampage. Screen after screen of indecipherable text.

Vann7 have you ever considered making your posts a tad more concise? Like, learn to get across everything you want to say, but with 10% of the words.

Austin wrote:Russia should use this crisis as an opportunity and introduce stimulus of 3-5 % of GDP into Medical Sector , Space and Satellite program, Civilan Aircraft program, Look at the shortcoming and invest there.

3-5 % is around 3-5 trillion roubles they can easily print , Russian Ruble coped wonderfully in this crisis and in many ways decouple itself from Ural Blend cost.

Inflation might increase a bit but that is ok , Hope Putin does not end trying to control inflation and deficit and does not do the stimilus.  Russia has enough Forex not that it is needed to overcome this crisis.

Completely agree about the medical sector. Russia will have to reorient some of its industry into producing more medical equipment, and in fact this is all a great opportunity for the revival of Russian medical equipment manufacturing, the continued push for the growth of the pharmaceutical industry, as well as the upgrade of the healthcare system to a world standard, as it once boasted.

In the 2000s the Russian military was a ramshackle shell of its former self. Yet look how it was revived over the course of a decade. It's now among the most modern and flexible in the world, and the 2nd most capable.
What's to stop Russia from doing the same with its healthcare system, with its education system?

finally conversation moving forward.. i do agree with Putin need to change Russia economy...
he can't expect Russia to ever grow ,by ignoring a neighbor in the planet , carpet bombing its economy
every several times a year.. The anglo -jews powers are at war with Russia.. is war where they hide their
hands when attack Russia with weapons  through proxies or now using viruses and a war against Russia economy. and so he can't sit idle there doing the same tactics... ie.. a  commodities and social travel based
economy ,that is easy for the west to sabotage.  hiring terrorist or using bio weapons ,combined with media,
you can stop tourism and any sports event or pretty park facilities turn them useless.  but it will be wise...
if Putin ,don't ignore European business.. and not become a competition with them.. like Germany is a medical
and industrial machinery power..and luxury auto maker and is not with germany that Russia needs to compete.. but with Americans.. and France is an aviation super power.. with airbus.. and neither i recommend to damage
french economy  ,Is American economy what Russia needs to take down. (with superior business) .to a regional power level .to end its capability to attack and influence other nations.. to break its empire. that will help a lot
in world peace ,end the wars ,end the sanctions ,when they notice no longer can use its business to influence much european politics and asian developed countries.

Einstein.. he used to say..
that insanity .. is doing the same things.. over and over again ,and expecting different results..
So this is basically what putin is doing.. same tactics over and over again , politeness ,and developing
Russia as if it was Venezuela.. a third world nation with a commodities (agriculture,mining,energy) based economy. This have been Putin doing since he came to power 20 years ago..    for developing Russia..
but that doesn't work.. Russia needs an economy ,that don't ignore it is facing a real war with a nation
for 20 years.. and that will not back down , unless is influenced to stop doing that.. somehow .. using military
to force them to peace or like i was proposing with superior alternative to US modern bussiness.. China is showing the world how it is done ,to challenge the US system.  i will have worked with china ,so combine forces..so that russia don't end in a competition with china either. So if china develop computers, russia develop the software for it.. if china develops an internet ,Russia can help with satellites in space ,to provide coverage to the entire world. Russia culture is way better than chinese traditional one.. so Russia can also compete with the western entertainment industry.. this is when they are going to panic.. The day Russia/chinesse entertainment
industry is comparable with theirs.. all those Russian and chinese movies ,need to be done in native English to compete with US entertainment industry.  Instead of putin wasting 60 billion dollars in obsolete business ,like he have done in sports and olympics or rewarding $$ people for doing well in sports..  where putin need to invest
in Russia education system.. promoting heavily Science ,Engineering and digital art and and all kind of music ..from classic to modern music.. each university should offer modern arts classes in every area ,this will be
very important for soft power..   Russia government modify dramatically where it invest ,and which business promotes. all those chinese business that are popular today ,received a lot of funding
of chinese government.. to help them grow and develop. China for example is taking by storm the 3d printing industry.. almost every small business in america. in the entertainment industry is a client of china..because
all their materials printed in china.. including electronics.. this is very important modern business , with use for entertainment ,jewelry ,medicine ,space .. this is ridiculous important market.. and china is the leader on it.
Russia could start building robots , that do the manufacturing ,and people jobs should move to managing roles,
sales and design roles. and Russia needs to go full for a digital online base economy.. this is huge for small business and creation of million of jobs. every family could become their own business ,in selling and buying something online.. they produce or re-sell.   amazon ,alibaba,ebay..style  business is what can save nations
economies.. in the future by promoting millions of small family business to trade online.

personally i will have pushed Russia economy as a super space power in civilian and military . to become the leader in space exploration. that is russia to become the first nation with space tourism business ,travels around the world in near space orbit for the billionaires in the world ,and moon orbit travels... but i don't think Putin will take such risk.. he is backwards thinker and likes predictability and easy to predict business in everything he does.

Russian companies have been so damn quick at moving towards medical equipment production that now they are exporting it even to the USA and others

It's hilarious how effective Russian companies can be in a time of crisis

What's to stop Russia from doing the same with its healthcare system, with its education system?

Ironically the exact same thing that tried to stop their military upgrade... the entire western world... but considering they failed miserably to stop the military upgrade... in fact in many ways with sanctions and isolation attempts pushing Russia away from the west and towards China they probably accelerated it and confirmed the necessity of the upgrade... and I suspect their actions will result in similar stimulus with the health care and education systems too, but why not add other areas as well... alternative energies and food production and processing/storage and transport as well as expanding and improving food varieties and production...

GarryB wrote:

What's to stop Russia from doing the same with its healthcare system, with its education system?

"isolation attempts", "pushing Russia away from the west and towards China" ,they "probably" accelerated it .
..

Putin have been speaking about "pivot to China.." in 2014.. with the Ukrainian conflict and western sanctions..
and you just keep repeating the same things , without  really thinking about what you are really saying.. and
what is really happening.. so i put on quotes what you told.. so you clearly see the contradictions in your claims..

first none of this is true.. even when putin spoke about "diversifying russian economy" have have done very little to change this.. Russian budget still depends on European and local energy business ,near half of it . you speak
about "isolation attempts" as if they didn't worked , yet Russia was asking couple of nights ago at United Nations ,to demand US to lift sanctions on Russia and venezuela.. and cuba..and iran.. for the covid-19 crisis..
so if the sanctions are "not working" ,why is putin asking for them to be lifted. ?

Did you know that in the middle of the pandemic world wide crisis.. the terrorist states of America
started a full scale maritime naval blockade on Venezuela and Cuba .. which is de-facto a declaration of war on Venezuela and its 30 million of citizens and declaration of war against Cuba too.. to starve its population and negate them medicines ,food and any business that all nations have the right to do ? and Putin is doing
NOTHING  ? to help Venezuela and Cuba that are facing a total maritime blockade?  so why Putin didn't send the
humanitarian aid for Venezuela.. instead of giving it to US as he did ?   and this is a huge problem Russia have.. it encourage nations ,to "fight for their independence" ,to resist the american empire... and they are later abandon to their luck ...to US aggression..  This is Garryb another reason why nobody listen Russia.. because is weak nation with a weak president.. it can't defend its allies properly and neither can defend its own interest too.. americans can sanction Russian companies with a fine..and russia government later pay it..

So russia looks more weak today ,than in any other part of soviet era.. it can't defend syria properly
,it can't defend venezuela.. it can't defend cuba either.. so this is why Russia is not respected country..
and will never be .. because lacks of business power ,to influence nations away of the US system.
a new war could start in venezuela now ,anytime soon.. one of venezuela patrol boat was sinked on its own waters by an ambush they faced by an european ship ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDSUBkIPTcw
and venezuela is now mobilizing its artillery forces to its borders.. according to them preparation for war..

and not a single Russian warship or plane there in venezuela or cuba to re-open the criminal naval blockade
on venezuela and cuba. for medicine and food necessary to deal with covid19..


Distraction? Trump Sends Warships To Venezuela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lij8j815_Ms

So no..there is no accelaration of Russia , what Russia face is deceleration of its economy.. deceleration of its influence in the world.. deceleration of Russia nation security ,now even attacked
by biological weapons..    to say that Putin is extremely irresponsible President with his foreign policy
will be an understatement. .  and there is no acceleration towards china.. because china continue increasing their trade with US and degrading its trade with Russia.. trump asked china to stop buy russian oil and iranian or venezuela and buy the american one.. and this is what they are doing..    So what acceleration you are
talking about?     Everyone in social media , what is being discussed ,that putin is a traitor.. that betrayed
venezuela and cuba and left them alone.. you don't abandon allies.. if you encourage a nation to fight US
imperialism and join russia alliance.. then you are responsible to help them with your life ,when they face serious problems..  and i fully understand whats going on.. this is what i was telling you.. about US economic war..
they are bulling russia across the entire planet.. all its interest... to force Russia spend a fortune sending
soldiers and warships to protect their allies.. Right now maduro is telling its people ,that their citizens needs to be ready ,for a major war..  that could happen at any moment..



and the most likely scenario is a false flag attack.. US send a bait..
a warship or plane to be attacked.. and later the respond with a cruise missile attack as they did to syria..
and this will force putin ,to provide endless missiles to venezuela ,to counter Americans cruise missiles strikes..
hell.. putin can't even defend donetsk and lugansk properly that is at its own borders..    he allowed the government of donetsk to be assasinated... left him alone.. and the governor of lugansk nearly was killed too..
and commanders of pro russian donetsk militia assasinated left and right by NATO in secret infiltrations ,right at
russian borders.. in a territory that russia controls..    

 just days ago . Rosnet abandoned venezuela to its luck..to avoid american sanctions..
so how does Putin expect.. its nation ,to become prosperous and developed and be listened and taken seriously
GarryB if it can't defend any of its allies and don't stop us military agression on russian allies ? .  
Russia can't look to the other side..and say is not my problem.. it have responsibilities and can't abandon
those that have listened Russia.. calls for an alliance against US unfair system..   Either russia should stop
encouraging nations to resist US ,and warn every nation that they will be on their own.. if get in troubles..
or they fully backup them.. with their military and business.. but what putin can't do is encourage nations
to join russia orbit and later abandon them.. or not properly protect them.

the only thing that is accelerating is Russia self isolation from the world..with its disastrous foreign policy ,weakness and lack of any strategy to counter adversaries.  

Putin have have zero chance ,from 1 to 100 , 0% possibility to survive the american undeclared war on its economy , because like i told you before.... all US needs to do to break Russia , is to attack and destabilize completely every nation in the world ,that cooperate with Russia.. stronger ones like china and india can resist that pressure but not the small ones.. with significant low business capabilities.. world war 2 ,was manufactured when today countries known as NATO today began to encourage hitler ,to attack all soviet union allies in europe.. and make alliance with nations essential for soviet union nation security. andthe same thing is happening today.. US is targeting ,destroying,isolating from the world every nation that have been cooperating with russia. So how many more wars GarryB can Russia economy sustain ? Russia will now have to do a very thought choice consequence of the disastrous foreign policy of Russia..of abandoning venezuela , cuba and honduras to its own fate and let US to start and pushing a genocide there.. as they have been doing in Syria ,under putin noses.. and still doing it. and so by retreating become truly humiliated and embarrassed, and this will send a clear message to the world ,for no one to listen Putin's Russia and refuse any cooperation with them.
this is what will isolate russia even more from the world.. and if putin choose to help them.. drain its nation economy.. as bodyguard of them.. "privot to Asia " that never happened.. at this moment i don't see any way how can Russia avoid the same fate of soviet union ,if putin continues being putin.. and looking
to the sides ,when nation allies attacked.. and worse ..not doing anything to prevent them to continue this agression.. only china at this time could save Russia from and not the other way.. Russia don't have any way
to influence US to stop its wars.. neither with business ,neither with its military..consequence of putin lack of strategy ,politeness that never works and outdated economic policies that completely passive and missing in action against the western business world.

Russia converted forex from 'rainy day' fund into 1.494 trln rbls to buy Sberbank stake

https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-banks-sberbank/russia-converted-forex-from-rainy-day-fund-into-1494-trln-rbls-to-buy-sberbank-stake-idUSL8N2BR6XU

miketheterrible wrote:Russian companies have been so damn quick at moving towards medical equipment production that now they are exporting it even to the USA and others
It's hilarious how effective Russian companies can be in a time of crisis

They had very developed medical equipment industry for quite a while now

Problem was pharmaceutical industry, they started getting around fixing that only recently