Regular wrote:It's not that easy to get into high tech market. Protectionism and influence plays alot and Russia has neither soft power, high tech industry, nor super cheap labour. China also doesn't like competition and especially not from it's neighbors. They would kindly ask to stop and flood Russia with cheap tech. Russia should specialise in heavy industry and it's tools. Metallurgy should be revived. Russia was very good at it. Maybe heavy machinery as well. But gates to Western markets have to opened to get good profits. I hope this economical crisis will put things aside and sanctions will be thing of the past. It hurts both sides.
Russia does not need exports to prop up its economy. Without them it is actually doing rather well. Any serious assessment of individual standards of living (e.g. accounting for rent and mortgage and other costs) substantially reduces the real wage gap. Russia has to control its internal market first before wasting time on export crack.
Yeah, this is true. Russian market is huge - 146M people l. Selling a few million gadgets in Russia is a huge prospect. People like regular know fuck all about economics. Small markets like S.korea made leaps and bounds by controlling it's tech industry. Much smaller than Russia. They already are doing what Is necessary and their exports account for small % of overall economy FFS. Only about 10% of Russian businesses export
I think you are too harsh on Regular. For some reason the theme of Russia needing exports to "develop" is a popular one. I think it is bootstrapped by the "Russia doesn't make anything" and "Russians are too poor" propaganda. Russia has one the top most diversified economies on the planet. That is why it does not have the import profile of a pauper banana republic and is basically immune to sanctions. The idiots who use Russia's export profile to evaluate its level of development are not worth the time of day.
Regular wrote:It's not that easy to get into high tech market. Protectionism and influence plays alot and Russia has neither soft power, high tech industry, nor super cheap labour. China also doesn't like competition and especially not from it's neighbors. They would kindly ask to stop and flood Russia with cheap tech. Russia should specialise in heavy industry and it's tools. Metallurgy should be revived. Russia was very good at it. Maybe heavy machinery as well. But gates to Western markets have to opened to get good profits. I hope this economical crisis will put things aside and sanctions will be thing of the past. It hurts both sides.
Russia does not need exports to prop up its economy. Without them it is actually doing rather well. Any serious assessment of individual standards of living (e.g. accounting for rent and mortgage and other costs) substantially reduces the real wage gap. Russia has to control its internal market first before wasting time on export crack.
Yeah, this is true. Russian market is huge - 146M people l. Selling a few million gadgets in Russia is a huge prospect. People like regular know fuck all about economics. Small markets like S.korea made leaps and bounds by controlling it's tech industry. Much smaller than Russia. They already are doing what Is necessary and their exports account for small % of overall economy FFS. Only about 10% of Russian businesses export
I think you are too harsh on Regular. For some reason the theme of Russia needing exports to "develop" is a popular one. I think it is bootstrapped by the "Russia doesn't make anything" and "Russians are too poor" propaganda. Russia has one the top most diversified economies on the planet. That is why it does not have the import profile of a pauper banana republic and is basically immune to sanctions. The idiots who use Russia's export profile to evaluate its level of development are not worth the time of day.
Maybe.
I view it as simply silly. If an economy is based upon exports then its entire GDP would revolve around it. If their economy in terms of nominal (which is a bad economic method of calculation) is 1.4T and its entire one year export is about 150B, then the rest is nonsense? I never understood this theme. It's as if basic mathematics isn't even being taught anymore.
Regular wrote:It's not that easy to get into high tech market. Protectionism and influence plays alot and Russia has neither soft power, high tech industry, nor super cheap labour. China also doesn't like competition and especially not from it's neighbors. They would kindly ask to stop and flood Russia with cheap tech. Russia should specialise in heavy industry and it's tools. Metallurgy should be revived. Russia was very good at it. Maybe heavy machinery as well. But gates to Western markets have to opened to get good profits. I hope this economical crisis will put things aside and sanctions will be thing of the past. It hurts both sides.
listen again , what putin is now saying.. is not a small thing by the way. but a very major big statement.
putin ... " If we want to preserve this civilization,we need to focus on high technologies and their future development.
in other words putin is saying now ,that Russia existence depends of its capabilities to develop a high tech economy and their future development.. and in case there was any doubt ,in the same report he mentions , Artificial intelligence ,advances genetics , he also mentioned before computers ,and independence on internet..
and Nobody said ,high tech focused economy is easy.. is precisely because is NOT easy ,why not many nations can do it.. but Russia do have the scientific potential , Russia graduated twice more engineers than US and they win lot of contest world wide in informatics.. and it was russian scientist who worked at intel ,who lead the development of pentium pro.. but this was a long time ago.. so the skills are there , all that is need , is that Russia stop wasting the money in outdated business ,like tourism and olympics or stop wasting the russian budget in super expensive parks ,olympics and or financing socialism to ethnic russians in israel..or the baltics.. and instead invest that money in a scientific ,high tech revolution ,promoting and investing in education heavily, towards a major competition with the west.
and is not against china that russia needs to compete.. but against US . Russia for example could give a hand china in developing software for their smartphones huawei ,to counter google store.. and if china works in targeting apple.. then russia should focus in targeting intel and amd.. this is the way to go.. develop a major high tech software and hardware industry.. aimed at consumer use.. to compete with mafia high tech alliance between US ,taiwan,south korea and japan monopolies. Not easy ,but is not impossible.. far more difficult is to travel to the moon or mars or venus ,and russia have done that.. is all about promoting the correct economy.
not an economy like it is now , to create monopolies in oil and natural gas.. Russia have have huge capabilities in the entertainment industry ,they already producing very good movies.. they are actually more advanced than china in entertainment movies.. all that things will be impossible to sanction by americans.. they will not say ,don't watch x or y movies.. neither they can sanction movie industry that is distributed on internet.. gaming industry even better..
the goal should be to end the influence of american popular modern business in silicon valley .. but also end the monopoly of taiwan and japan .. russia should invest in a semiconductor factory that competes with taiwan and manufacture 3nm silicon chips. produce its own computers ,not dependent on intel or amd ,its operating system ,with the aim of targeting american microsoft.. and russia don't need to do it all alone ,it can do it ,in a major alliance with china and india and even european nations collaboration too .im sure france will like to be part of any of this.. with the aim to produce complete superior alternatives to the us high tech industry and its asian allies. if russia produce for example industrial machinery ,then it will be in competition with germany.. so is not germany the one to target but US and its asian allies ,the ones who have hostage the world into their high tech monopoly.
This is how you promote a society focused economy of small and medium business ,where every family can become an inventor or develop its own small business..
https://www.kickstarter.com/?ref=nav
and society itself can finance their own business , the government job ,should be on this small business ,to provide security and create a safe environment for trust in the creation of new small and medium business focused in high tech or digital entertainment and using the internet for their business.
also russia should invest heavily in quantum computers.. much more than is doing already ,it will be the big major next step in computing.. putin need to leave behind the past and have a clear aim ,to create a high tech alliance in the world ,to counter the monopoly that US and its asian puppets have over the world high tech..
the worse thing possible Russia can do.. is to do what @GarryB was promoting.. that he "ignore the west" and just focus in peacefully building pipelines to china and to asia.. a business model that is obsolete..because US found a way to destroy it.. with biological attacks on nations.. that means ,that business will have to radically change in the future and economies will have to be done based on internet..
jack ma.. which is the chinese billionaire, told it better than anyone.. he is not only smart but a genius. and he told.. in the same way electricity and oil shaped the way for the previous industrial revolution in the past century , in the same way cloud computing and internet will shape the future business in the 21 century. and for the western mafia ,it will be impossible to sanction to sabotage internet business ,if russia and china create their own internet system independent of the american internet.. but even without creating a new internet it will be complicate if russia and china creates an intranet.. which is a private closed internet ,then they can connect that eastern sino-russo network with europe and so they can use that to trade in total peace without the americans having a way to block anything..
Covid19 major blessing is that it force russia to abandon its outdated business gas station model , because this biological war ,that american began on russia and china ,will not end anytime soon ,every new year russia and china could face new attacks through tourism or drones flying near russian borders ,through spray. high tech ,small business revolution and space ,plus entertainment ,should be the way to move fordwar for russia ,in a coordinated alliance with china and india and others ,perhaps using BRICS ,so that they don't end in competition with each other. There is so much money russia can make in entertainment industry online ,they have proven to be very good ,in theater , in those sochi ceremonies.. they should take that to online and digitalize entertainment , as US is doing with their netflix cable movies system. amazon and disney.. but not using american movies ,but russian made ones.. the end of the promotion of the western culture need to stop and russia develop its own modern culture . this is done with the promotion of business based on entertainment online.
kvs wrote: Russia has one the top most diversified economies on the planet. That is why it does not have the import profile of a pauper banana republic and is basically immune to sanctions. The idiots who use Russia's export profile to evaluate its level of development are not worth the time of day.
this is complete lies.. and it contradict the russian finance minister. so i rather trust more in his claims . that in amateur in a forum ,that knows nothing of modern economy. the one who told Russia budget to a large extend depends on the sales and refinery of energy. so i don't think he is lying.. i think the only one lying is you. near half of russian budget comes from energy industry and services to that same industry and this economic model is broken as hell. when the west target with success energy prices ,to sink them.. every 5 to 10 years the west sink oil prices and natural gas prices ,even when it damages their own economy just a bit.. it damage significantly far more the russian economy, half of its budget depends on it. this is why trump and obama were demanding saudi arabia to lower oil prices.. when putin move in the other direction ,to rise them.
Now that even putin have told russian future existence will depend on russia focus on a modern tech economy, the less thing you can do ,is apologize for misleading everyone for so long. he had to be informed by others better informed , like me.. that the only chance Russia have to survive is to compete with american high tech industry , and follow the example of china.. this is to not allow them to use their high tech monopoly anymore as a weapon ,so that US sanctions no longer will have a way to pressure any nation ,if no longer their high tech business and their colonies in asia ,needed. because superior high tech business exist in brics nations alliance.
read this carefully @Garryb jackma was right.. i was right.. and you were completely wrong..
Vann needs to listen to this... Russia already has high tech you moron... only american an british propaganda outlets like CNN and Fox News and the BBC ever called Russia a third world gas station...
What he is saying now is what I have been saying for years... the west is not a partner... it is a rival... Russia needs to find its own way forward and spend less time looking at what the west is doing.
The west leads only itself... if you follow you spend all your time and energy helping them with their goals and totally ignore your own goals and needs.
So if russia wants to exist.. it needs to focus in high tech.. period... are your listening @Garryb ? @Mike? @kvs?
You are the one asleep living the American dream... how about you wake up to the facts like Kret, and UAC, and other high tech Russian companies already existing.... for goodness sake... where do you think S-400 and S-350 SAMs come from... or Yasen and Borei class submarines, or even Gorshkov class Frigates... the complaints about modern Russian military equipment is not that it is useless or ineffective... the only criticisms come from the production rate of the naval vessels... and that is mainly because they want to produce good products, not the microsoft method of crank them out and let the customers do the debugging for them...
Energy prices are only ever going to go up over the long term... complaining about minor ups and downs is silly and very short term thinking but then that has always been your problem Vann... you want ships now or not at all... nothing else is good enough...
Vann7 wrote: this is complete lies.. and it contradict the russian finance minister. so i rather trust more in his claims . that in amateur in a forum ,that knows nothing of modern economy.
USSR had a diversified economy with a strong manufacturing base. However, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of these firms were wiped out. The Russian economy was opened up to cheaper, Western goods too quickly, and these domestic firms could not compete.
Diversification would mean a degree of destabilization and therefore a threat to Russia's state-oligarchical system. It will require releasing resources and workforce now gainfully employed by the state. But there’s simply no reserve pool of labor, so the Russian government will have to start a massive re education, re training exercise for its citizens.
China made progress because the West saw China as a friend in their battle against the Soviet Union and so China was able to attract Western technologies and capital. Russia is seen as a rival by the West so the chances of them investing in Russia is low.
Modern day Russia has a ratio of foreign debt to GDP that other industrial nations can only dream about. So the Russian government is uniquely placed to re educate and re train workers across Russia so that industries like Finance, Tech, Agriculture etc can flourish.
Vann proved nothing and we have proved him wrong with facts and links. He talks shit cause he knows shit. Keeping the troll around is a waste of time and data.
Here is reality
Jack Ma is a nobody who created a company that simply connects manufacturers with customers. In other words, an Amazon company but in China. Due to having more of a monopoly at first being the first to really push in China, he was able to strangulate the market. He creates nothing. He just simply moves product around. I work for a company that moves product around for a major company and its nothing special. It is barely high tech. It is low tech actually with at best a few mainframes that they love to call supercomputers. LOL.
Listening to Jack Ma is like listening to Bazos about market and honesty and integrity of operating in a market.
Russia has their own online distributors for local markets. They have their own Amazon and what not. But because of sanctions, they do not have the market share outside of their country and never will due to sanctions and bullshit from the west. What Vann suggests is bullshit. He thinks its all about export market. China was hand picked and brought up by USA. Russia wont and never will be. Their market is their own and will build based upon their needs. The cost to build a FAB plant for civilian production is ridiculously expensive and wont profit for many years to come since they would be completely at the whim of the Russian market. Mikron was able to since they gained a foothold in the SIM card market and make specific microcontrollers and such for industrial equipment. Like how Angstrom does for military purpose only.
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Dissenting voices like that of Vann7 is also important. Because if dissenting voices are silenced, there is no contrarian view left, and with only one prism to judge things by there will be no objective analysis left on this forum.
This forum will simply become a mirror image of Western, pro US forums where the U.S can do no wrong and non Western countries can't do anything right.
Sujoy wrote:Dissenting voices like that of Vann7 is also important. Because if dissenting voices are silenced, there is no contrarian view left, and with only one prism to judge things by there will be no objective analysis left on this forum.
This forum will simply become a mirror image of Western, pro US forums where the U.S can do no wrong and non Western countries can't do anything right.
There is dissenting voices, and then there is outright lies and bullshit. There is a clear difference that some of you may not understand or wish to ignore. There is a difference between debate and one simply repeating his own lies over and over again regardless evidence against him.
As someone who has experience in the field of dealing with such people in the workforce, I have had to learn that difference, I suggest you guys do too.
It would be nice to have real intellectual dissent to stimulate the discussion and teach new things. But trolls and broken records fail at this and are not useful. But I am not always triggered by them so have no strong opinion on how to deal with them. The traffic through this site is too low for them to drown out other views.
miketheterrible wrote:There is dissenting voices, and then there is outright lies and bullshit. There is a clear difference that some of you may not understand or wish to ignore. There is a difference between debate and one simply repeating his own lies over and over again regardless evidence against him.
As someone who has experience in the field of dealing with such people in the workforce, I have had to learn that difference, I suggest you guys do too.
I haven't read all of Vann7's posts but I've read quite a few. It's clear that Vann7 has Russia's greatest interest in mind. Granted that in the absence of tangible evidence some of his posts appear to be either outrageous or bordering on comedic pastime.
Similarly, it's impossible for almost all of us to make certain claims and proving them beyond reasonable doubt. This doesn't mean we are lying.
Therefore, while reading any post, we have to work out, by a process of experience and introspection, what counts as meaningful in our intellect. Let us incorporate some sense of deeper purpose to what we post on this forum
miketheterrible wrote:There is dissenting voices, and then there is outright lies and bullshit. There is a clear difference that some of you may not understand or wish to ignore. There is a difference between debate and one simply repeating his own lies over and over again regardless evidence against him.
As someone who has experience in the field of dealing with such people in the workforce, I have had to learn that difference, I suggest you guys do too.
I haven't read all of Vann7's posts but I've read quite a few. It's clear that Vann7 has Russia's greatest interest in mind. Granted that in the absence of tangible evidence some of his posts appear to be either outrageous or bordering on comedic pastime.
Similarly, it's impossible for almost all of us to make certain claims and proving them beyond reasonable doubt. This doesn't mean we are lying.
Therefore, while reading any post, we have to work out, by a process of experience and introspection, what counts as meaningful in our intellect. Let us incorporate some sense of deeper purpose to what we post on this forum
There is a difference between equivalent fallacies compared to posting news of actual data - sdelanounas.ru or awaragroup or what not that provides hard data and math. That is truth. Not assumptions and presumptions that Vann spreads and claiming Ma, somebody who created a middle man (distributor) as some kind of saint of knowledge?
kvs wrote:It would be nice to have real intellectual dissent to stimulate the discussion and teach new things. But trolls and broken records fail at this and are not useful. But I am not always triggered by them so have no strong opinion on how to deal with them. The traffic through this site is too low for them to drown out other views.
What I think is that there should be two threads - one discussing actual news, and one that Vann can spend his time talking to himself about why Russian government is shit and their intelligent and working structure apparently doesnt work. That way, rest of us can just post news and move on without flooding the thread with nonsense.
BQ launches production of a new brand of Blackton televisions in Russia
The company "Novaya Liniya" (Moscow, Bq trademark) has released a new brand of Blackton televisions to the Russian market. The brand belongs to the company BQ, which produces smartphones, phones, tablets, televisions and other equipment. Each Blackton TV is equipped with an A-class matrix that guarantees a clear, detailed and bright image. About the plans to bring the Blackton brand to the market, we will remind, it became known at the end of January from the Director of BQ Vladimir Puzanov.
Under the Blackton brand, "first price" models are offered, that is, the lowest-cost models with a particular set of features. The brand's line includes 18 TVs with a diagonal of 22 to 50 inches and a price from 6,490 to 23490 rubles. Six of them belong to the Smart TV category.
Blackton is a Russian company that produces televisions in the budget price segment. All Blackton products are manufactured on the territory of the Russian Federation, at enterprises certified according to the most stringent international quality standards. The range of Blackton products includes both TVs with classic functionality, and models with built-in "smart TV" technology, which significantly expands their multimedia capabilities.
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/132587/
KAMAZ has released its three-millionth V8 engine
A solemn event was held at the engine plant of KAMAZ PJSC on the occasion of the release of the three-millionth V-shaped eight-cylinder diesel engine.
The first power unit for a heavy truck KAMAZ appeared in may 1974 in the experimental shop of the Department of the chief designer "KA-MAZ". Later, in December 1975, the first KAMAZ engine was assembled at the engine factory, and its serial production was established. The first KAMAZ-5320 had a payload capacity of 8 tons. With the development of the line of cars and the increase in load capacity, engines of greater power were required. Since then, the "heart" of KAMAZ trucks has undergone many improvements and changes.
In parallel, we were working on engine certification. In 1995, for the first time in Russia, the KAMAZ 740.11-240 engine received a certificate of compliance with the Euro-1 environmental class. Over the years, we have progressed to engines that correspond to the Euro-5 class. Currently, the plant's product range includes V-shaped eight-cylinder diesel engines with a capacity of 220-450 HP of various configurations for KAMAZ vehicles and other types of automotive equipment.
The event was attended by General Director of KAMAZ Sergey Kogogin, Executive Director Yuri Gerasimov, Director of the engine plant Sergey snarsky, employees of the plant, veterans-participants in the production of the first engine. The right to remove the engine number 3,000,000 from the Assembly line was granted to the mechanic of mechanical Assembly works of the engine Assembly shop Rahip Bakirov.
Congratulating factory employees on this event, General Director of KAMAZ Sergey Kogogin noted that thanks to the development of the V8 engine line, year after year, high technical characteristics of KAMAZ vehicles are provided. "We strive to make our product optimal for the customer. We are increasing the load capacity, increasing the warranty period, making the car more powerful, safer for people and the environment. And all these important characteristics depend on the engine, " Kogogin said.
Expressing gratitude to the plant's staff for achieving excellent results, Sergey Kogogin stressed that the great experience and professionalism of dieselists was also in demand at the new stage of development of KAMAZ, when the goal was to master the production of a completely new KAMAZ engine — the inline six. Today, KAMAZ has developed and put into production an inline six-cylinder P6 engine with a capacity of 400 to 700 HP, of the ecological class "Euro-5". Production capacities for the production of 12 thousand engines per year have been created. This powertrain is intended for installation on promising models of KAMAZ vehicles and other equipment.
In the speeches of other speakers, it was emphasized that the traditions that the pioneers laid down are still alive today, and the history of the plant continues. Proof of this is the release of the three-millionth V8 engine and the upcoming 45th anniversary of the release of the first engine, which will be celebrated at the factory at the end of this year.
read this carefully @Garryb jackma was right.. i was right.. and you were completely wrong..
Vann needs to listen to this... Russia already has high tech you moron... only american an british propaganda outlets like CNN and Fox News and the BBC ever called Russia a third world gas station...
What he is saying now is what I have been saying for years... the west is not a partner... it is a rival... Russia needs to find its own way forward and spend less time looking at what the west is doing.
So if russia wants to exist.. it needs to focus in high tech.. period... are your listening @Garryb ? @Mike? @kvs?
You are the one asleep living the American dream... how about you wake up to the facts like Kret, and UAC, and other high tech Russian companies already existing.... for goodness sake... where do you think S-400 and S-350 SAMs come from... or Yasen and Borei class submarines, or even Gorshkov class Frigates... the complaints about modern Russian military equipment is not that it is useless or ineffective... the only criticisms come from the production rate of the naval vessels... and that is mainly because they want to produce good products, not the microsoft method of crank them out and let the customers do the debugging for them...
Energy prices are only ever going to go up over the long term... complaining about minor ups and downs is silly and very short term thinking but then that has always been your problem Vann... you want ships now or not at all... nothing else is good enough...
LOL... this have nothing to do @Garryb with military tech .. why are you so ignorant? The article clearly read it again.. putin was speaking about civilian business , artificial intellenge ,computers, ,putin didn't told that russia needs better air defense interceptors or better nukes .
military weapons are COMPLETELY STUPID USELESS , without a war ,if they are not used to stop americans attacks....on russia and force them to peace.. through the use of force.. and this is not what im proposing.. so high tech in military ,hypersonic weapons will not help russian in any fucking way ,to stop the hostilities of americans.. on russia . To stop their sanctions ,to stop the western power to finance revolution and destabilisize nations.. russia can't stay there idle doing nothing while they continue increasing their attacks.. economics attacks ,terrorist attacks and now biological attacks.. you need to fight back.. and russia will not fight back with the military , because russia have no way to do that without provoking a world war 3 with missiles flying in both directions... but he can fight with business , and totally end the western system ,the western domination ,the western influence in the entire world ,through their civilian business.
So again for the 7 million time , stand from your chair and listen ,, the future existence of russia economy ,depends on high tech civilian business.. not high tech military business.. the military is only need ,when your influence as a nation fails on other countries.. but no need to fight ,if your enemies start to realize they can benefit from having good relations with you..
because military weapons are useless if not used.. you made it look ,that you believe that russia can survive by just intercepting cruise missiles all the time moving in russian bases directions ,or dodging bullets that americans fire to kill russians , so good luck with that.. but this is retarded.. This weak response only encourage americans to attack russia more and harder.. because they see putin weakness and they will take advantage of it..
your s-400 or kret and and all electronic warfare of russia . this is not going to change the position of russia in the world for the better ,most of the world is not interested in wars ,but in nation development. so russia military industry is not going to improve the quality of life of russians ,if their economy is so easily destroyed with the stroke of a pen by washington dc with sanctions.. this at best only allows russia to defend against military attacks.. but don't defend russia against economic and political attacks ,this doesn't help russia to create leadership in the world ,to stop american unfair system Putin ask politely ,that nations stop using dollars.. but nobody listened putin, because russia have no system in place , to follow , no business leadership . There is nothing that russia have ,that american can't do too.. this is the point.. american totally dominates in business and russia not even competes. So is not about showing one thing over there in a military expo what counts... what really count is high tech ,that civilians can use for making better their lives..better their business,. and people lives will not be better deploying s-400s in their backyard .people lives simply are not better with russia existence .. russia contribute in nothing ,to make people lives better.. at best ,what russia does , is resist americans and oppose their wars and freeze conflicts.. but russia doesn't make the lives of any nation better.. and this is what needs to change . like putin told it.. russia existence will depend on their focus of modern high tech and its development ,that is aimed for improving civilians lives.... this is a very serious declaration.. because totally contradict ,the bullshit you were claiming ,that russia can happily live just focusing in doing business with china and moving their pipelines to asia..
Putin told.. russia existence will (now) depend of their focus on modern high tech ,like artificial intelligence , cloud computing ,and advance genetics etc.. so what happened to your lovely oil and gas business? why is no longer important? you were wrong all the time and most people defending putin too , this is a very radical change ,of russia economy ,what putin is now proposing.. is not the commodities market he proposed in 2014.. and is not the bullshit olympics ,he proposed to transform russia in the capital of sports.. all those $62 billions dollars , putin wasted in 2 olympics ,will be totally wasted forever ,he will never recover the investment .it was for 3 weeks of party.. and huge mistake and good that he now is changing his tone , no more int sports @garryb no more tourism investments , now russia will have to completely change the focus of the russian economy from energy station , to a high tech exporting country.
Russia needs to change its focus radically ,of its civilian economy ,from one that directly target high tech american business , so to end their blackmail on other nations ,when alternative exist to american high tech business.
This doesn't means to abandon the modernization of russia military , security will always be need.. but only means ,that putin understand his monopoly dreams in energy ,are all gone.. and that americans can easily neutralize those business by flooding the market with oil.. or with a virus attack.
trump told.. told to the world.. "if you want to trade with us ,you will have to follow our sanctions." . this is an example of how americans use their business as a weapon.. and nations that don't trade with americans.. becomes cuba and north korea.. totally outdated nations ,with cars from the 60s.. cuba just recently got internet.. and this is the huge problem with russia.. that russia doesn't contribute much in world development.. ,they do produce in labs technology ..but stay in those labs.. or only the military use it.. or the government.. but it never goes anywhere to the outside real world.. , the only thing modern russia contribute today.. is in gas discounts for europe, and olympics.. but russia in no fucking way ,contribute ,to make anyone lives in this forum better..
in what way @Garryb Russian business have done your live better?
this is the problem with russia. it doesn't have leadership in business.. and the bad guys , totally dominate completely the development of the world and its business.. americans can disconnect russia from the internet.. wouldn't that be embarrassing? russia isolated from the internet?
so this is why Russia is an outdated nation economy.. when it comes to civilians business it is. and this is why that now putin is saying ,not anymore..that now the future existence on russia will depend on russia focus in modern high tech ,for its business. like computers ,ai ,robotics ,genetics.. etc.. this is a very radical change ,of the putin in 2014.. that was promoting russia to become the leader in sports.. the leader in tourism , the leader in exporting wheat. now he knows all those plans are over.. his entire economy strategy from 2014 ,was neutralized from a to z. and thanks god for covid19, now he knows , he can't ignore americans anymore as you were promoting ,and peacefully focus on tourism or olympics.. Putin is saying that now he will push the russian economy towards modern high tech, in the same territory that americans focus their economy and that they need to do it for russia existence to continue . so Putin is right now.. i was always right . and you @GArryB you need a lot to learn , you were always wrong. so apologies will be welcome.
Russia's budget surplus in January-April amounted to 0.4% of GDP
MOSCOW, May 15 - PRIME. The federal budget of the Russian Federation in January-April, according to preliminary estimates by the Ministry of Finance of Russia, was executed with a surplus of 0.4% of GDP, or 122.881 billion rubles, the estimate for the first quarter was increased by almost 10 times - the surplus amounted to 113.381 billion rubles or 0.5% GDP, according to the website of the ministry.
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miketheterrible wrote: Russia has their own online distributors for local markets. They have their own Amazon and what not. But because of sanctions, they do not have the market share outside of their country and never will due to sanctions and bullshit from the west. What Vann suggests is bullshit. He thinks its all about export market. .
A what magic americans have. .that allows them to do sanctions on Russia? and any nation they want? this is the question to ask.. why nations follows those sanctions ? is what you avoid to question.. is not money... mr dumb.. the reason why the world follows america.. is leadership.. americans have business leadership.. they dominate the high tech world , not only thanks to american high tech companies but by asian high tech giants too ,that americans controls..
you say..
He thinks its all about export market.
i say is all about leadership.. about influence.. is all about leading. if your nation leads in business.. [civilians business @GARRYB] then other nations who wants to trade with you ,will need to follow you and play by your rules.. understand?
So because the world , needs.. depend on american leading business ,american leading system.. that controls all modern high tech that is sold in the planet.. then nations like japan ,like taiwan ,like south korea , any nation who wants to continue doing business with america ,will need to follow their rules.. follow their sanctions.. understand?
so is about leadership.. if you want to do well in the world.. you need to compete with american leadership.. and create an alternative system to theirs..
if one day china ,russia ,india ,developers a superior alternative to american most popular high tech industries [in civilian business @GARRYB] then americans will lose its capability to lead..and to do any sanctions if no longer the world needs to trade with US , if no longer americans can't use their leading business to blackmail nations ,into obedience.. understand?
so is not about money . is not about whether you export or import or teleport , NOOOO. Is about Replacing the american business world with a superior one.. so that nations can no longer be sanctioned or blackmailed.. because they have no competition today.. in high tech.. outside of their alliance with asian colonies , then they can isolate nations from high tech development ,even ban them from the internet if they don't follow their policies ,their sanctions ,their orders..
so you say..because of the sanctions.. correct.. then why not block americans from ever doing sanctions again ? and how you do that? by creating an alternative system of business ,that surpass the american ones ,so that no longer nations can be blackmailed ,because if americans close their business for them.. then they can get something better elsewhere. so this is why russia and china existence depends on their ability to counter american business [in civilian business garryb] so that no longer any nation will have to follow them , US can only blackmail nations with their business.. when they have no compeition.. but if american business have strong compeition or a superior alternative exist to american business.. then that magic.. that power to sanction nations will be gone... forever.
so russia and china needs ,if they want to survive.. to become much more influential and competitive with their business so that no longer the world will need american business for anything ,when a superior alternative exist. once americans face competition ,or the business totally surpassed.. then they will never again have the magic , the power to sanction anyone , to control any nation ,because the world will be able to get what their nation needs for development somewhere else and of superior quality.
once russia dominates in modern business and high tech.. is when russia economy will take off.. the US entertainment industry makes every year close to $1 trillion dollars !!!!! every year.. so this is not just a small thing.. and the entire world entertainment industry alone is worth of $3 trillion dollars. so thats is a lot of money.. and US controls the nations ,that competes in that area.. so russia needs to become more global ,develop a new culture , a new modern business ,and abandon its failed economic model ,based on business ,that no longer will work ..in post covid19 man made crisis.. oil and energy will be all time low ,and nobody will do tourism ,so was a total waste of money of putin in parks and in sports facilities.
to put it in another way.. to see if you can follow.. Even in the extreme case ,that Russia makes no money in exporting high tech.. if it replace american high tech.. business , it will be very good .. because it will stop american power ,to influence other nations into their orbit.. and it will damage american economy.. understand now ?
is all about attracting nations into the russian and chinese orbit.. and abandon the american empire.. this is what is all about.. to stop the fascist empire in the west.. and how can this not be a good thing? it will be worth of it ,even if russia don't make a single dollar in profits.. because it will hurt badly american economy and now they will have to go to the table of negotiations with Russia and china as equals.. and so they will see they will now have to cooperate with russia and china if they don't want all their business to go bankrupt. understand?
so is to force americans into peace.. by developers superior business.. why is this so hard to understand for you? if they don't cooperate ,then they become isolated their business in the world and go bankrupt.. notice how americans were forced to cooperate with russia space program..taxi to the iss.. because they had no alternative to it.. so this is how you defeat the american fascism.. by replacing their business ,with superior ones ,so the world will have an alternative to the west. in civilian business.. too.. when no longer american business needed.. they will realize ,their sanctions will only isolate them from the world ,because for the first time ,no one will follow them. and so they will be forced ,to abandon their economic war on russia and china ,when they face a very strong business competition that is destroying their economy.
do i want us economy to be destroyed? no. but they need to face a very strong competition ,and be afraid of losing it all ,so they end their arrogance and their economic war ,they will have no choice to abandon its hostilities if nobody anymore follows them and instead follows china and russia business lead.
putin just recently inaugurated in moscow a thematic park for children ,full of american culture..
and look the following video.. how american business influence the world..
the video was taken in moscow.. so i don't know how else i can explain ,what is obvious to me ,how the american system works.. is not about numbers.. but more about domination of people minds , people interest.. as long they perceive america a superior nation ,they will follow US . and is not only a perception.. russia does not spend a single ruble in competition with american most influential business , they instead allow US to dominate russia with their soft power ,with their culture ,with their business and later he don't understand why nobody listen russia . no ammount of hypersonic weapons will help russia to be listen by the west.. only business leadership in high tech ,only modern business will be the way to earn that respect ,that influence russia needs so badly in the world.
im not a big fan of star wars ,is so so.. not bad ,neither good.. european and japanese entertainment industry are way better than US... but video was only to show ,how business can be used to influence society , of other countries into your orbit.. with modern and innovative business. Russia will be a very powerful nation today ,if when putin got in power ,understood this , how important is for russia ,to lead the world in development and how important is a modern culture too.
miketheterrible wrote: Russia has their own online distributors for local markets. They have their own Amazon and what not. But because of sanctions, they do not have the market share outside of their country and never will due to sanctions and bullshit from the west. What Vann suggests is bullshit. He thinks its all about export market. .
A what magic americans have. .that allows them to do sanctions on Russia? and any nation they want? this is the question to ask.. why nations follows those sanctions ? is what you avoid to question.. is not money... mr dumb.. the reason why the world follows america.. is leadership.. americans have business leadership.. they dominate the high tech world , not only thanks to american high tech companies but by asian high tech giants too ,that americans controls..
you say..
He thinks its all about export market.
i say is all about leadership.. about influence.. is all about leading. if your nation leads in business.. [civilians business @GARRYB] then other nations who wants to trade with you ,will need to follow you and play by your rules.. understand?
So because the world , needs.. depend on american leading business ,american leading system.. that controls all modern high tech that is sold in the planet.. then nations like japan ,like taiwan ,like south korea , any nation who wants to continue doing business with america ,will need to follow their rules.. follow their sanctions.. understand?
so is about leadership.. if you want to do well in the world.. you need to compete with american leadership.. and create an alternative system to theirs..
if one day china ,russia ,india ,developers a superior alternative to american most popular high tech industries [in civilian business @GARRYB] then americans will lose its capability to lead..and to do any sanctions if no longer the world needs to trade with US , if no longer americans can't use their leading business to blackmail nations ,into obedience.. understand?
so is not about money . is not about whether you export or import or teleport , NOOOO. Is about Replacing the american business world with a superior one.. so that nations can no longer be sanctioned or blackmailed.. because they have no competition today.. in high tech.. outside of their alliance with asian colonies , then they can isolate nations from high tech development ,even ban them from the internet if they don't follow their policies ,their sanctions ,their orders..
so you say..because of the sanctions.. correct.. then why not block americans from ever doing sanctions again ? and how you do that? by creating an alternative system of business ,that surpass the american ones ,so that no longer nations can be blackmailed ,because if americans close their business for them.. then they can get something better elsewhere. so this is why russia and china existence depends on their ability to counter american business [in civilian business garryb] so that no longer any nation will have to follow them , US can only blackmail nations with their business.. when they have no compeition.. but if american business have strong compeition or a superior alternative exist to american business.. then that magic.. that power to sanction nations will be gone... forever.
so russia and china needs ,if they want to survive.. to become much more influential and competitive with their business so that no longer the world will need american business for anything ,when a superior alternative exist. once americans face competition ,or the business totally surpassed.. then they will never again have the magic , the power to sanction anyone , to control any nation ,because the world will be able to get what their nation needs for development somewhere else and of superior quality.
once russia dominates in modern business and high tech.. is when russia economy will take off.. the US entertainment industry makes every year close to $1 trillion dollars !!!!! every year.. so this is not just a small thing.. and the entire world entertainment industry alone is worth of $3 trillion dollars. so thats is a lot of money.. and US controls the nations ,that competes in that area.. so russia needs to become more global ,develop a new culture , a new modern business ,and abandon its failed economic model ,based on business ,that no longer will work ..in post covid19 man made crisis.. oil and energy will be all time low ,and nobody will do tourism ,so was a total waste of money of putin in parks and in sports facilities.
to put it in another way.. to see if you can follow.. Even in the extreme case ,that Russia makes no money in exporting high tech.. if it replace american high tech.. business , it will be very good .. because it will stop american power ,to influence other nations into their orbit.. and it will damage american economy.. understand now ?
is all about attracting nations into the russian and chinese orbit.. and abandon the american empire.. this is what is all about.. to stop the fascist empire in the west.. and how can this not be a good thing? it will be worth of it ,even if russia don't make a single dollar in profits.. because it will hurt badly american economy and now they will have to go to the table of negotiations with Russia and china as equals.. and so they will see they will now have to cooperate with russia and china if they don't want all their business to go bankrupt. understand?
so is to force americans into peace.. by developers superior business.. why is this so hard to understand for you? if they don't cooperate ,then they become isolated their business in the world and go bankrupt.. notice how americans were forced to cooperate with russia space program..taxi to the iss.. because they had no alternative to it.. so this is how you defeat the american fascism.. by replacing their business ,with superior ones ,so the world will have an alternative to the west. in civilian business.. too.. when no longer american business needed.. they will realize ,their sanctions will only isolate them from the world ,because for the first time ,no one will follow them. and so they will be forced ,to abandon their economic war on russia and china ,when they face a very strong business competition that is destroying their economy.
do i want us economy to be destroyed? no. but they need to face a very strong competition ,and be afraid of losing it all ,so they end their arrogance and their economic war ,they will have no choice to abandon its hostilities if nobody anymore follows them and instead follows china and russia business lead.
putin just recently inaugurated in moscow a thematic park for children ,full of american culture..
and look the following video.. how american business influence the world..
the video was taken in moscow.. so i don't know how else i can explain ,what is obvious to me ,how the american system works.. is not about numbers.. but more about domination of people minds , people interest.. as long they perceive america a superior nation ,they will follow US . and is not only a perception.. russia does not spend a single ruble in competition with american most influential business , they instead allow US to dominate russia with their soft power ,with their culture ,with their business and later he don't understand why nobody listen russia . no ammount of hypersonic weapons will help russia to be listen by the west.. only business leadership in high tech ,only modern business will be the way to earn that respect ,that influence russia needs so badly in the world.
im not a big fan of star wars ,is so so.. not bad ,neither good.. european and japanese entertainment industry are way better than US... but video was only to show ,how business can be used to influence society , of other countries into your orbit.. with modern and innovative business. Russia will be a very powerful nation today ,if when putin got in power ,understood this , how important is for russia ,to lead the world in development and how important is a modern culture too.
Still avoiding the real question are we?
Where are the super creative Russians that can create their own according to you "so so Star Wars"? Hmmm? Where are the ultra intelligent Chosen Ones to create their own modern culture to bring down Western EmpireZ? Hmmm?
Did Obama and the White House create Facebook, Amazon, Tesla Xuper Heroes and Star Wars? No! So why is it up to to Putin and Kremlin to create "so so" Starwars???
Moscow has liquidated over 96 percent of its holdings
Russia’s holdings of US state debt amounted to $3.8 billion in March, compared with $12.5 billion a month earlier. Three years ago, the amount stood at $105 billion. Moscow has liquidated over 96 percent of its holdings in that period. The country’s long-term US Treasury securities decreased by $928 million, while short-term securities plunged by $7.8 billion to just $473 million.
Where are the super creative Russians that can create their own according to you "so so Star Wars"? Hmmm? Where are the ultra intelligent Chosen Ones to create their own modern culture to bring down Western EmpireZ? Hmmm?
Did Obama and the White House create Facebook, Amazon, Tesla Xuper Heroes and Star Wars? No! So why is it up to to Putin and Kremlin to create "so so" Starwars???
Vann your still clueless
Your trolling and provocations doesn't scare me ,i can handle losers like you any day , but GARRYB will come in your defense , so go fuck yourself.. !!!
So will not waste my time talking to human Trash like you. So go and do something more useful in life for once and hang yourself . Parasites like you ,will not be missed ... for sure.
Moscow has liquidated over 96 percent of its holdings
Russia’s holdings of US state debt amounted to $3.8 billion in March, compared with $12.5 billion a month earlier. Three years ago, the amount stood at $105 billion. Moscow has liquidated over 96 percent of its holdings in that period. The country’s long-term US Treasury securities decreased by $928 million, while short-term securities plunged by $7.8 billion to just $473 million.
and why it took so long to putin , 6 years ,to get rid of those holdings? it was in 2014 that he told was going to "Dedolarize" and "pivot to asia" after european sanctions for ukraine conflict...now he knows the can't pivot to asia , if he close the doors to europe ,it will make things easier for US. to contain Russia economy .
and why not 100%. ?? Reason he still needs dollars ,is that russia still depends heavily on US business. and if you want to buy something from american bussiness they only accept dollars. So this is purely symbolic announcement ,the Russian bank will buy more dollars ,when they see a need to buy things from american business. No developed nation ,in the world will listen putin calls to stop using dollars ,as long american have very important things to sell ,that the world needs ,and nobody else have.. then they will continue buying dollars.. this is why ending the domination of the dollar will not work ,with words alone , as putin tried to do ,but failed. the dollar domination will end ,when american high tech business domination ends.. and superior alternatives to their business exist..somewhere else ,outside their control. is that simple. defeat their modern business with superior ones and their products no longer will be necessary to buy .
So there is a lot of freaking out going on since Russias Real GDP dropped in April of about 20% and they figure the total will raise to 10% GDP decline this year. So lots of people jumping around trying to blame each other and or state this or that.
But essentially the sign was 2/3 of the drop was due to the coronavirus lockdown and 1/3 from oil prices. But I doubt it is mostly of oil prices and more to do with overall exports since exports dropped considerably. So now the question is, what do they do? They figure that there will be a sharp increase in spending after the lockdown ends at end of this month but I figure it wont be enough to manage the decline and overall GDP drop will be at about 10%. The figures for next year and year afterwards shows they wont return to pre crisis levels till at least 4 years from now.
But as someone pointed out, this showed a lot of cracks in the current economic system, so what do they do now? Now mind you, majority of these "economists" completely forget Russia's reserves as they state that Russia's economy is now at mid 90's levels which I find funny because that is when Russia ran out of reserves. Reality is different - Russia sits on a massive amount of wealth and very very low debt. So what can they do?
Well, my belief is that they need to change the payment method of how companies purchase goods between each other. A digital method. Some state that 20% of a cost on a deal of goods between companies is lost due to corruption (Bribes, and what not). So if this is the case, digitalizing the whole method of any procurements could actually eliminate that as the process becomes automatic and traceable. Second is to push the economic plan that companies have to have a quota to purchase domestically and not from foreign entities. Currently this is actually being pushed in the government but wasn't pushed at last meeting because of discrepancies. Lastly, use the reserve funds - Use it to help compensate companies to help purchase materials now that the virus quarantine is being lifted. Next would be to use the money to further investments in infrastructure development.
Now there is a lot of hysterics where they think a GDP decline in second quarter will be something large like 16%. I doubt that. That would make it a larger decline than nearly any other country in the world and that doesnt make that much sense to me.
This is pure fake news. Russia has lost 700,000 jobs compared to 33 million in the USA. There is no f*cking way that Russia's GDP has dropped by 20% when that of the USA has dropped 20-25%. Unemployment is a valid metric of any recession, especially hard edge depression-like recession caused by exogenous shocks such as financial crises and pandemics. Russia has lost 1% of its 70+ million workforce compared to the USA which has lost over 20% of its workforce.
Kommersant is a 5th column propaganda rag like the Moscow Times. I would not trust their sources even if they claimed they were from the GKS.
Russia's main industries are operating normally aside from a few outbreak cases resulting in factory shutdowns. Russia's GDP does not depend on restaurants and boutique shops. It hasn't economically degenerated to this stage just yet. Also, Russia haters can't have their cake and eat it too. They claim the SMEs are too small of a component of Russia's GDP, and then pretend that they are 80% of it.
kvs wrote:This is pure fake news. Russia has lost 700,000 jobs compared to 33 million in the USA. There is no f*cking way that Russia's GDP has dropped by 20% when that of the USA has dropped 20-25%. Unemployment is a valid metric of any recession, especially hard edge depression-like recession caused by exogenous shocks such as financial crises and pandemics. Russia has lost 1% of its 70+ million workforce compared to the USA which has lost over 20% of its workforce.
Kommersant is a 5th column propaganda rag like the Moscow Times. I would not trust their sources even if they claimed they were from the GKS.
Russia's main industries are operating normally aside from a few outbreak cases resulting in factory shutdowns. Russia's GDP does not depend on restaurants and boutique shops. It hasn't economically degenerated to this stage just yet. Also, Russia haters can't have their cake and eat it too. They claim the SMEs are too small of a component of Russia's GDP, and then pretend that they are 80% of it.
It was RBC.ru that posted about the drop in GDP in April by those numbers. They did it based upon Ruble value of economic progress in April of 2020 vs 2019. So There may be a lot missing from the total picture they are not providing and later on we will learn more from it. I agree they are rags but if they use pure numbers and calculation then it makes sense. So far, it may be basic math that they are referring to.
Vann7 wrote: Your trolling and provocations doesn't scare me ,i can handle losers like you any day , but GARRYB will come in your defense , so go fuck yourself.. !!!
So will not waste my time talking to human Trash like you. So go and do something more useful in life for once and hang yourself . Parasites like you ,will not be missed ... for sure.
So.... you still can't answer the real questions then? You resort to name calling cos you know you can't answer it.
Ok.
"Handeling Losers" is not avoiding the questions, dumbass. I am not trolling you, I am asking you legitimate questions.
Here are the questions again:
Why are the Chosen Ones allowing Putin to stop them from creating Superior Star Wars Modern CultureZ? Why are they allowing an idiot like Putin to stop them from bringing to the world a Jack Ma/Elon Musk Genius?
Where are the Elite 4th Dimensional thinkers of the Universe in battling the US Empire? What the heck are they waiting for? Why are they not creating Superior Star Wars Movies to bring Western audience to side of Russia? Where are there superior tech biznizes?
Are they waiting for Dumbass Putin to give them the signal? But he a dumbass tho. Why would they, the destined chosen ones to bring down Us empire need the permission from a dumbass?
kvs wrote:This is pure fake news. Russia has lost 700,000 jobs compared to 33 million in the USA. There is no f*cking way that Russia's GDP has dropped by 20% when that of the USA has dropped 20-25%. Unemployment is a valid metric of any recession, especially hard edge depression-like recession caused by exogenous shocks such as financial crises and pandemics. Russia has lost 1% of its 70+ million workforce compared to the USA which has lost over 20% of its workforce.
Kommersant is a 5th column propaganda rag like the Moscow Times. I would not trust their sources even if they claimed they were from the GKS.
Russia's main industries are operating normally aside from a few outbreak cases resulting in factory shutdowns. Russia's GDP does not depend on restaurants and boutique shops. It hasn't economically degenerated to this stage just yet. Also, Russia haters can't have their cake and eat it too. They claim the SMEs are too small of a component of Russia's GDP, and then pretend that they are 80% of it.
It was RBC.ru that posted about the drop in GDP in April by those numbers. They did it based upon Ruble value of economic progress in April of 2020 vs 2019. So There may be a lot missing from the total picture they are not providing and later on we will learn more from it. I agree they are rags but if they use pure numbers and calculation then it makes sense. So far, it may be basic math that they are referring to.
On every website there are idiots... people who annoy you, and getting rid of them doesn't normally help because when you get rid of them someone always steps up and takes their place.
There is value in such people, despite the frustration they cause because they prevent the Yes Man type collapse that happens when you ignore everything anyone with a different viewpoint has to say.
However when people descend to abuse, of those they are talking to and also of moderators who they claim will protect their rivals... which is ironic because the only reason I did not ban Tingsay for abuse is because Vann was abusing him as much as he was being abused, so in reality I was protecting you both.
I have had a few complaints, so I am giving you a break of 14 days...
Call it a Covid 19 break.
Take the time to think about why you come here and why you can't play well with others.
If you choose to return in 14 days and you act the same the next ban will be permanent.
I am not saying you can only come back if you praise Putin, and agree with everyone else about everything... I am saying you can only come back if you can behave like a mature sensible adult and stop abusing those that don't agree with you... especially moderators.
Sorry for off topic, but a good reminder to everyone that just because someone thinks a different way from you does not make them an idiot or a moron.
Showing proof from sources they trust and they are still in denial then you might have a case, but you don't get any prize for calling them names on a public forum.
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and this is the huge problem with russia.. that russia doesn't contribute much in world development.. ,they do produce in labs technology ..but stay in those labs.. or only the military use it.. or the government.. but it never goes anywhere to the outside real world.. , the only thing
the leader in tourism , the leader in exporting wheat. 
