Syrian War: News #21

Between this two maps a number of on this forum claimed 100+ times that Russia/Putin sold out Syria/Iran/Hezbollah to Turkey/Israel/Trump/Nato. Now they do it again, after nearly half of Idlib was liberated from terrorists in less then 3 month.

Remember Palmyra? It was liberated, after that the muricans funneld 5.000+ moderate head-chopping unicorns form Raqqa and Mossul to Palmyra, which was captured again by the terrorists after the SAA retreated. Just to then bomb the shit out of the now exposed terrorists, which were killed. After that the way to Dayr az-Zawr was free.

This time will not be different. With this "counter-attack" the terrorists left their well organised positions, they gave away their locations. In the coming days they will be wiped out and then the grand wezir in Ankara will have to send even more troops into Idlib to make up the losses = more turks will die. Not good in the public eye.

Hole wrote:

Between this two maps a number of on this forum claimed 100+ times that Russia/Putin sold out Syria/Iran/Hezbollah to Turkey/Israel/Trump/Nato. Now they do it again, after nearly half of Idlib was liberated from terrorists in less then 3 month.

Remember Palmyra? It was liberated, after that the muricans funneld 5.000+ moderate head-chopping unicorns form Raqqa and Mossul to Palmyra, which was captured again by the terrorists after the SAA retreated. Just to then bomb the shit out of the now exposed terrorists, which were killed. After that the way to Dayr az-Zawr was free.

This time will not be different. With this "counter-attack" the terrorists left their well organised positions, they gave away their locations. In the coming days they will be wiped out and then the grand wezir in Ankara will have to send even more troops into Idlib to make up the losses = more turks will die. Not good in the public eye.

Great Post! A lot of   on the forum don't even understand the meaning of tactical and strategic retreats. It would be more difficult to fight every jihadist in every corner pocket of the country, so if they put a lot of their headchoppers in to one (city) basket, it would be much easier to annihilate them all at once as opposed to flushing them out individually. This way once they're eviscerated, the goatfuckers will end up ceding more territories than they would otherwise normally. This is literally the famous saying of "choosing your battles wisely."

I really wonder who bombed the turks.

If it was the russians then letting turks bomb SAA makes them pussies that don't assume their acts and let their ally being destroyed because they are affraid of Turks.

If it was Syrians then maybe Russians are fed up with Syrians taking decisions, big decisions on their own that could have bring NATO in Idlib and they let turks bomb them as a punition. It wouldn't be the first time.

In the same time they are happy that turks open borders to migrants to the EU.

But it's been two days that turks are free to bomb SAA which is ridiculous. Either help your ally or get the fuck out of Syria. Russian image as an ally will suffer because of that.

The apparently few hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to get to Europe were met at the Greece border with tear gas.

Good. Let them " counterattack" . They will have to concentrate their forces. To push SAA back. As it is shown here. Form a pocket. Give a little time for Rat to jump into pocket. Cannon fodder!

No Diplomacy taking place. None possible. Rats want to kill. Turks want to join into killing. Kill Shia... Kill Christian ..

auslander wrote:The apparently few hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to get to Europe were met at the Greece border with tear gas.

But it led to a reunion in UN because europeans saw that move as a threat from Turkey making them hate him even more. Still good for russian interests.

SAA is pulling units away from the coastline to reinforce in Idlib this is something they've never had to do before. It would seem all that free bombing time the russians gave the turks really paid off.

Diplomacy will not solve anything Erdo will not leave Syria because of some deal, Putin cannot be stupid enough to think that.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA is pulling units away from the coastline to reinforce in Idlib this is something they've never had to do before. It would seem all that free bombing time the russians gave the turks really paid off.

Diplomacy will not solve anything Erdo will not leave Syria because of some deal, Putin cannot be stupid enough to think that.

No major cities lost yet except Saraqib. SAA still control the 3 biggest cities Damascus, Aleppo, Homs. The show is just getting started. Russian armed drones Orion is coming. And DEY better watch out.

Isos wrote:

auslander wrote:The apparently few hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to get to Europe were met at the Greece border with tear gas.

But it led to a reunion in UN because europeans saw that move as a threat from Turkey making them hate him even more. Still good for russian interests.

It would be pretty difficult for them to hate him any more than they do, but then the only absolute is there are no absolutes.

Turkish UAV's are still flying freely in Syrian Airspace, Turkish Arty is pounding the SAA daily.

Even if the arty only kills five a day, five a day will bleed you dry.

Russia is just letting Turkey do whatever it wants right now.

auslander wrote:

Isos wrote:

auslander wrote:The apparently few hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to get to Europe were met at the Greece border with tear gas.

But it led to a reunion in UN because europeans saw that move as a threat from Turkey making them hate him even more. Still good for russian interests.

It would be pretty difficult for them to hate him any more than they do, but then the only absolute is there are no absolutes.

I really start to think Russians are agreeing with EU to start a war against Turkey and remove Erdogan. Macron and Merkel can't see him in picture and Russian already got money for the S-400. IMO they knew Erdogan will switch to US when they start Idlib op and the s-400 will be the only thing to sell.

The silence from russians in syria and the fact they do nothing to stop them is very weired. Those are only drones , they could be downed very easily with no escalating.

Maybe they will use the intervention of turkey as a propaganda toll to justify a war with them (show they support terrorists).

PapaDragon wrote:
So for the past two months Turk drones have been tearing into Idlib and Russia was okay with it

They could have definitely neutralized any and all drones if they wanted to

Iran just now offered Turks separate negotiations over Idlib without Russian involvement

Working theory now is that Russia allowed Turks to strike targets in Idlib in order to facilitate removal of Iranians from Syria and to "tweak" political situation in Damascus away from Iran (Hezbollah has been getting it bad from Turks as well lately)

Rumor has it that Turks will be starting main ops in about an hour so we will see what's up...

This will be the test for Russia if they don't do anything at this stage they have sold their ally out goes without saying that would look bad for the Russians, etc they will only help you against weak militias but the second some second rate nation enters the party they turn tail and run. If I was an ally of Russia I'd be worried if they do not stop the Turks.

Working theory now is that Russia allowed Turks to strike targets in Idlib in order to facilitate removal of Iranians from Syria and to "tweak" political situation in Damascus away from Iran (Hezbollah has been getting it bad from Turks as well lately)

Nonsense. Turks aren't targeting iranians. They have warm relations actually since Erdogan is an enemy of KSA and Co.

Isos wrote:

Working theory now is that Russia allowed Turks to strike targets in Idlib in order to facilitate removal of Iranians from Syria and to "tweak" political situation in Damascus away from Iran (Hezbollah has been getting it bad from Turks as well lately)

Nonsense. Turks aren't targeting iranians. They have warm relations actually since Erdogan is an enemy of KSA and Co.

Wrong they are targeting Iranians in Syria with drones.

Arrow wrote:Turkey was involved in Palmyra? This is a completely different situation. Funny that Erdogan showed Putin where is he place. VKS doesn't bomb anything anymore...



yes yes Enchanting reality. SAA is everywhere in retreat in the province of Idib

Turkey has been "involved" since the very start. But now they're compelled by circumstances to go from mostly just holding the frying pan by the handle to climbing into it themselves. We'll soon soon see how well they can stand the heat.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So for the past two months Turk drones have been tearing into Idlib and Russia was okay with it

They could have definitely neutralized any and all drones if they wanted to

Iran just now offered Turks separate negotiations over Idlib without Russian involvement

Working theory now is that Russia allowed Turks to strike targets in Idlib in order to facilitate removal of Iranians from Syria and to "tweak" political situation in Damascus away from Iran (Hezbollah has been getting it bad from Turks as well lately)

Rumor has it that Turks will be starting main ops in about an hour so we will see what's up...

This will be the test for Russia if they don't do anything at this stage they have sold their ally out goes without saying that would look bad for the Russians, etc they will only help you against weak militias but the second some second rate nation enters the party they turn tail and run. If I was an ally of Russia I'd be worried if they do not stop the Turks.

Arab League will stop the Turks. KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Egypt, Algeria, Iraq will never allow Turks to rule the region ever again.

I think Russia in last two days try to calm situation and made last diplomatic chance to safe face for Turkey. It seems Erdogan didn't understand it and use this time to escalate situation in Idlib. Russia will not betray Syria like US betray Kurds in front of Turks. Russia doesn't want a war, but they are fully ready for it.

par far wrote:


The situation is getting intense, I think diplomacy is happening behind the scenes.

Diplomacy have failed .. there is no diplomacy..  so bad are the relations .. that Russia
cancelled their eye to eye meeting of putin with erdogan in moscow.

[forgot the source of this]...

Moscow:

We reject the armistice in Idlib, and Putin will not meet Erdogan
And the Syrian army continues its operations

and....

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The former Syrian ambassador to the Turkish regime
Dr._Nidal_ Qablan
Turkish Demokratpress says the death toll of the Turkish army in Idlib is 165, not 33.

i think the only agreement between Putin and Erdogan is that there is no agreement..

So it looks like Putin tactics now is a vietnam skirmish style war in some areas perhaps in southern idlib ,
and a Stalingrad style war of no retreat the Saraqib zone..  and with red lines already in place of when
Russia military will strike turkey military.. one of those redlines seems to be , Russian Airforce will strike
at turkey convoys ,moving to saraqib when they get close to the positions of alqaeda and help ,they will be destroyed..

So effectively the possibilities of a full or limited war between Turkey and Russia should be now are almost
guarantee. much more closer ,than a war between US and Russia over Syria. because americans never
started a full scale war against assad.. but turkey is doing that.. and that all that is needed ,for that war to happen ,is a bribed turkey general by US or Israel to strike at the russian warships.. and or russian base.  

When it comes to turkey drones.. i think putin was played by erdogan into a cease of fire ,including air defenses to rescue their 33 killed soldiers..

 because they were evacuated very fast to Turkey ..withing hours.. of the bombing .. and so it seems that erdogan took advantage of a temporary cease of fire to send attack drones to target the front lines. but yesterday alone 2 turkey drones were shot down.. i don't think they are stealth at all.. they simply took advantage of a cease of fire Putin ordered ,for the recovery of the bodies of their soldiers..

My best guess is that if turkey manage to control his soldiers , he will only target syrian army positions.. while putin will continue aiding SAA ,and reinforce the frontline.. so expect a long proxy war .. between Turkey and
Russia. with SAA and Turkey soldiers in idlib sacrificed by both sides..

But US and Israel or even Erdogan irrational behavior could easily deviate the conflict into a full war with
Russia.. so posiblities that they will solve things will diplomacy are next to zero... the war will continue and
will only end when erdogan back down and leave...  Russia have no options and will not leave.. they simply can't allow alqaeda to build a city in syria ,and reverse all the progress Russia have done in 5 years.. and setup a paradise for muslim brotherhood terrorism in idlib.  Erdogan goals was to completely over run Syria including damacus with the muslim brotherhood . but when russia defeated them in eastern ghoutta ,those plans are over.


What things Russia can do.. is try to get the stupid iranians more involved in the conflict...IRAN have a big army
and they have been extremely silent and quite at their Syrian frontlines and allies being attacked.. iran and syria even had a defense treaty agreement ,which iran have failed to stand.. and they only send army to defensive positions and not to any frontline..  Iran only exist today ,because have the support of Russia.. if Russia abandoned support to Iran and tell americans ,that they can do whatever thing they want.. that will not interfere ,then iran will be dust.. it will experience a similar war than syria.. with "Free iranian army" attacking iran from afganistan and turkey borders. then later US flying above iranian airspace and then setup a base in territories captured by their mercenaries.. same syrian scenario ,is what iran will face if Russia drops the support to them.


Also Qatar its economy needs to be destroyed.. they are highly likely financing edogan war.. and turkey economy also needs to be destroyed.. first through major national advertising , warning russians to to travel to turkey for the danger to their lives ,and also with a major campaign across all russia against turkey products ,to not buy them.. . so good luck for erdogan ,to fight a big and expensive war in the major of a big recession. Americans for sure will help to finance it ,as they have done to ukraine.. but this will drag down their economy too..  so the key is to completely break muslim brotherhood countries economies ,to weaken their wars in lybia and in syria..  russia also can increase the help to haftar in lybia.. to remove the muslim brotherhood of terrorist there .

Best use Su-35 to shoot down the drones. It's good advertising. Su-35 sell like mad.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Isos wrote:

Working theory now is that Russia allowed Turks to strike targets in Idlib in order to facilitate removal of Iranians from Syria and to "tweak" political situation in Damascus away from Iran (Hezbollah has been getting it bad from Turks as well lately)

Nonsense. Turks aren't targeting iranians. They have warm relations actually since Erdogan is an enemy of KSA and Co.

Wrong they are targeting Iranians in Syria with drones.

Not directly. Hezzies are embedded with SAA.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Best use Su-35 to shoot down the drones. It's good advertising. Su-35 sell like mad.

Agree.

"NINE HEZBOLLAH FIGHTERS KILLED IN TURKISH STRIKES ON NORTHWEST SYRIA."

Erdog is trying to start a bigger regional war.






IRGC commander killed as well.







https://southfront.org/nine-hezbollah-fighters-killed-in-turkish-strikes-on-northwest-syria/

Not sure what the Russians are thinking/planning right now but if they did bomb that building, why have they let the SAA take the pounding?
Or if was the SAF, the Russians would have provided the intel so why let the turks take ground back, it puts weeks of flights and effort down the drain.
What the hell is going on?