Syrian War: News #21

Syrian_MC
@Syrian_MC
For the first time since the beginning of the operations in #Idlib

The EW units began jamming on the enemy communications.

So the drone with erdogon signing it, a quick search shows thats its a TB2 drone, on further digging the drone is made by son in law of erdogon married to his youngest daughter, son in law goes by the name Bayraktar. He is engineer and founder of the Baykar drone company.

Should Russia loose any one of its troops in syria due to turk drones. Russian should not only retaliate against the drone operation base but also the manufacturing location of the drone.

Has I said Erdo is an EXPERT at controlling the minds and hearts of his people. The Government and every other structure of power is firmly under his control, Not even by force, they are die-hard loyal to him. Sure maybe some people oppose it but the mass doesn't in fact they love. In their minds, Erdo is bringing them something they long lost. In their minds Erdo is making Turkey powerful again because of this he has the admiration of his people.

Not really. Turks are overestimating Turkey and most of the time, like you see on twitter, they don't support Erdogan but support Turkey.

No matter which turk it is, if you start complaining about their country they will go wild.

I don't think they really care if it's Erdogan or another guy.

Erdogan controls some people and put the rest in jail. The turkish people is kinda controled by their own "patriotism" which Erdogan always talk about in his speeches.

That's why he is so affraid of being removed because any other politician can talk as he does but they can also stabilize Turkey more than what he does right now. Economical failure, support of terrorism, war in Lybia, dead turkish soldiers, tensions with Cyprus/EU ... soon economical sanctions.

He is not strong at all. He doesn't even trust its army, he send them in jail or die in Syria/Lybia. How long before he gets removed ? I would say very fast.

Isos wrote:

Has I said Erdo is an EXPERT at controlling the minds and hearts of his people. The Government and every other structure of power is firmly under his control, Not even by force, they are die-hard loyal to him. Sure maybe some people oppose it but the mass doesn't in fact they love. In their minds, Erdo is bringing them something they long lost. In their minds Erdo is making Turkey powerful again because of this he has the admiration of his people.

Not really. Turks are overestimating Turkey and most of the time, like you see on twitter, they don't support Erdogan but support Turkey.

No matter which turk it is, if you start complaining about their country they will go wild.

I don't think they really care if it's Erdogan or another guy.

Erdogan controls some people and put the rest in jail. The turkish people is kinda controled by their own  "patriotism" which Erdogan always talk about in his speeches.

That's why he is so affraid of being removed because any other politician can talk as he does but they can also stabilize Turkey more than what he does right now. Economical failure, support of terrorism, war in Lybia, dead turkish soldiers, tensions with Cyprus/EU ... soon economical sanctions.

He is not strong at all. He doesn't even trust its army, he send them in jail or die in Syria/Lybia. How long before he gets removed ? I would say very fast.

Lol Some people on twitter mean nothing the guy has MASS support among his people. Go to Turkey and see how in love with him the masses are, like I said yeah some people will Oppose but the majority is well with him.

He long since removed anyone who would dare oppose him, his fake coup was to do this. You are very clueless about the subject you are talking about.

Russia lost a plane and pilot at the hands of the Turkish army, in one of the most prolific public challenges to Russian power and prestige not seen since the Ukranian maidan and the response was sanctions, not direct, eye for an eye, military response. People pay attention and take note - who does what when pushed in this certain manner, to inform their decisions.

Russian pilots also fell at the hand of anti-air weaponry provided through Turkey. The plane downing also paraded. For that no economic sanctions came, nor do they for the numbers of Russian dead through proxy, funded, and kept fed by Turkey. Weapons, armor, money, food and supplies don't magically appear on Syrian soil - they come through a border, a very specific one at that.

Putin created poor precedents Russians have to deal with and accept, instead of making a billion excuses and attacking others that point it out. Letting the SAA bomb a two story building full of Turkish troops sent a message. The follow up when escalation hits fever pitch is just as important as sending that message. Letting the SAA get the blow back response from Turkey in a significantly disproportionate way is not the proper follow up message. The adjectives for that write themselves.

ATLASCUB wrote:Russia lost a plane and pilot at the hands of the Turkish army, in one of the most public challenges to their power and prestige not seen since the Ukranian maidan, and the response was sanctions, not direct, eye for an eye, military response. People pay attention and take note - who does what when pushed in this certain manner, to inform their decisions.

Russian pilots also fell at the hand of anti-air weaponry provided through Turkey. The plane downing also paraded. For that no economic sanctions came, nor do many for the numbers of Russian dead through proxy funded, and kept fed by Turkey.

You forgot to add Turkish troops actively using Manpads to try and down more Russian planes.

ELINT News
@ELINTNews
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#BREAKING: Turkish Ministry of Defence confirms Turkey shot down a Syrian L-39 warplane over Idlib

Isos wrote:
ELINT News
@ELINTNews
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#BREAKING: Turkish Ministry of Defence confirms Turkey shot down a Syrian L-39 warplane over Idlib

Why are they doing the same mistakes , sending L-39 and in the presence of F-16 around equipped with Amraam !!?

One thing people didn't notice is that those turkish drones carry mostly very light bombs/atgm style weapon with very small kill radius. And the drones are very slow.

It's not enough to stop an army even if they kill some hardware.

Russian however use a huge su-34 with big bombs, and even the smaller being around 200kg can blow up a building. And they are fast jets coming from a base near the frontline.

Big difference.

ahmedfire wrote:

Isos wrote:
ELINT News
@ELINTNews
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#BREAKING: Turkish Ministry of Defence confirms Turkey shot down a Syrian L-39 warplane over Idlib

Why are they doing the same mistakes , sending L-39 and in the presence of F-16 around equipped with Amraam !!?

They have nothing else. They should start using their mig-29 with r-77 but they are still lack the range of the amraam. They need r-77-1 for their mig29. Maybe russia will equip them.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Isos wrote:One thing people didn't notice is that those turkish drones carry mostly very light bombs/atgm style weapon with very small kill radius. And the drones are very slow.

It's not enough to stop an army even if they kill some hardware.

Russian however use a huge su-34 with big bombs, and even the smaller being around 200kg can blow up a building. And they are fast jets coming from a base near the frontline.

Big difference.

yes, the Anka S are limited ti about 200kg payload, the other drone about 50 kg.
To have a comparison, the iranian shahed 129 has 400 kg of payload, and the american MQ1 predator has similar speck to the iranian drone.
(They all have slow speed and four cylinder engines similar to those used on small light aircrafts, and the predator and the Iranian drone use the same engine (115 hp Rotax 914).

the american MQ9 reaper is instead quite larger,  with 900 hp turboprop engines, higher cruise speed (about 300km/h) and larger payload (680 kg), longer range but shorter endurance (14 h vs 24 h of the Anka and of the Predator).

I do not know if Russia is developing something on this class, since I believe the Orion-E is mainly for reconnaissance, while the s70 okhotnik is much bigger, fast and expensive... it would be like comparing a boat armed with a small gun to a destroyer...

To which limit Turkey is depending on outside components for her UAVs ?

Could sanctions affect the UAV industry there ?

Russia is ordering su34. Armed drones sucks when you face a capable IADS. Those turkish drones would all be dead right now if russians weren't so affraid of destroying the very weired russo/turkish relation that Putin created.

@ISOS

Agree. Russia or Iran can send or equip with long range AA missile for SAA airforce. As well as Air defence for Syria in IDLIB against any drone or F16. And extra planes. To fire or engage over IDLIB. Should be effective. Syria pilots to fly and defend. Even those with Iranian or Russian accents. No matter, because engage over friendly territory. Can recover pilot. Not POW or source of problem.

I tend to think that those of you, who say Turkey will not leave, are probably right. As well as Russia not directly engaged in active fighting. But Syria can fight and must fight. And win. Some say SAA can not defeat Turkey. Turkey and Erdo strong. Ready for death. This will be tested. Over days and months and even years. In Vietnam, the Russians were not directly involved. But Yanks were. Still the yank lost. Because they could not give large casualty. The Vietnamese could. Same problem here for Turks. As soon as meeting over on Thursday, should make ready for next offensive. I hope Syrian pilot ejected safe.  Now where are those long range AA missiles..........

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
the american MQ9 reaper is instead quite larger,  with 900 hp turboprop engines, higher cruise speed (about 300km/h) and larger payload (680 kg), longer range but shorter endurance (14 h vs 24 h of the Anka and of the Predator).

By the way, the russian turboprop engine VK-800 that will be used on the baikal aircraft and on the Let-410 is perfect to power a drone of the size and characteristics of the american MQ9 reaper....

You made anincorrect statement let me clarify.

Payload: 1700 kg, External is about 1400 and it's Internal is like 360

Nice !! I hope it works with a radar to test some kh31 missiles and make them combat proven (abd see an episode of combat proven about the kh31 )


Status-6
@Archer83Able
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#BREAKING:

Turkish Defense Industries Authority: Short range air defense system HISAR-A will be installed in Idlib within a week

Yusha Yuseef
@MIG29_
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Breaking , Syrian Army shot down new Turkish Drone near Saraqib

Buk M2 whacking Ottoman drones in Idlib

What seems to be air defence system sent from Turkey into Syria. Dangerous for Russian air force. They will destroy them because turks shoot at russian planes always. They even targeted the tu-214R plane with manpads.

https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en/capabilities/air-and-missile-defense-systems/air-and-missile-defense-systems/atilgan-pedestal-mounted-stinger-system

ATULGAN system that fires stinger missile but that has optics for night operations.




Status-6
@Archer83Able
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Turkish Army brought reinforcements to Batabo, north of Idlib city. Leopard 2A4s included.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-shoots-down-turkish-military-drone-in-western-aleppo-photos/

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
the american MQ9 reaper is instead quite larger,  with 900 hp turboprop engines, higher cruise speed (about 300km/h) and larger payload (680 kg), longer range but shorter endurance (14 h vs 24 h of the Anka and of the Predator).

By the way, the russian turboprop engine VK-800 that will be used on the baikal aircraft and on the Let-410 is perfect to power a drone of the size and characteristics of the american MQ9 reaper....

You made anincorrect statement let me clarify.

Payload: 1700 kg, External is about 1400 and it's Internal is like 360

possibly, in this case it shows again the difference between the reaper and the smaller Turkish drone.

Both of them are anyway quite vulnerable to proper anti air defences...

I mean a drone like the reaper could be quite useful for some applications, but of course it is not a substitute for front line aviation.

I believe that, anyway,  the main reason why Russia did not develop it until now was the lack (until now) of a suitable domestic engine...

All drones are weak to Proper AD, Drones look for targets of opportunity.

Levent Kemal
@leventkemaI
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Several field sources reported that Russian warplanes and Assad artillery battaries targeted TAF points and units between Sarmin - Nayrab and Mastumah