Russian Navy vs Japanese Navy

The Japanese Navy is certainly powerful. But in defence that does not really matter. When you look at the Falklands war the British had a FAR more powerful navy then Argentina, but if the Argies had more then 6 exocet missiles, if their bomb fuses had only a 20% failure rate vs about 50% and if their torpedoes had not been sabotaged or maintained properly, the  brits would have lost maybe 3x as many ships. That is with a largely obsolete airforce in disrepair and 1 operable sub. . Russia can rain anti ship missiles on the Japanese and they have a large fleet of nuclear and conventional subs as well as the capacity to mine the approaches heavily as well as the exits to Japans ports. Its really just an insane idea to think that Japan would even try. They cannot win. The Japanese force structure is defensive. The Russian air force is powerful, and has heavy anti ship platform platforms as well

mnztr wrote:The Japanese Navy is certainly powerful. But in defence that does not really matter. When you look at the Falklands war the British had a FAR more powerful navy then Argentina, but if the Argies had more then 6 exocet missiles, if their bomb fuses had only a 20% failure rate vs about 50% and if their torpedoes had not been sabotaged or maintained properly, the  brits would have lost maybe 3x as many ships. That is with a largely obsolete airforce in disrepair and 1 operable sub. . Russia can rain anti ship missiles on the Japanese and they have a large fleet of nuclear and conventional subs as well as the capacity to mine the approaches heavily as well as the exits to Japans ports. Its really just an insane idea to think that Japan would even try. They cannot win. The Japanese force structure is defensive. The Russian air force is powerful, and has heavy anti ship platform platforms as well

A lot of people have no feeling for how fragile weapons systems are in the real world. Tanks are essentially one-use wonders where it is
like the shootout at the OK Corral, one tank takes out another tank. Ships are floating wreaks waiting for the missile that will sink them.
The war consists of one big bonfire of expendable resources ranging from infantry to destroyers. Success in a conventional war is about the
ability to replace lost resources on the front in addition to effective use of your resources to consume the resources of the enemy.
And this last aspect is a show stopper these days. I just don't see WWII style frontal warfare happening. The economy will be the
target of nukes in a matter of hours if not minutes. No player in this game is going to lose voluntarily. Nukes transform the war
forever.

So the discussion about which navy is more effective is basically a dick measuring contest. All the navies will be sunk and the mutual
glassing of the centers of production will shut down everything. I believe the whole idea of a winner is defunct. That is why the
Washington deciders who think they can win any war against Russia are delusional retards. Not all retards are delusional.

Over time new technology may give someone an edge. But that is not guaranteed. Like we saw with SDI and the vaunted US ABM
shield, technology favours nobody and every solution has a counter-solution. The only way to win a war is to destabilize the political
system such as we saw in 1990 in the USSR and in various stages in Ukraine. Really, NATzO missed its chance during the 1990s, but
I am probably mistaken. It is possible that even under comprador Yeltsin, the Russian army and its assets were enough to stop NATzO.
So the Russian army and its nukes saved Russia. As of 2020, NATzO has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning any war against
Russia. It will have to wait a few decades more and hope that internal Russian problems fester in the right way. But that is
delusional since Russia is fighting off endless attempts at regime change for the last 20 years and the soil for such plans to succeed
has been disappearing. The more NATzO tries to destabilize Russia, the more it loses any hook inside Russia to achieve its plans.
And the current Russian system is not generating discontent. In fact, the oligarch capitalism in NATzO is generating more discontent
and NATzO has a serious risk of disintegrating itself.