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GarryB wrote:
BTW Castro was furious
Castro didn't like being used like that... he didn't want nukes there in the first place.
Castro knew very well that Cuba and it's people would disappear from this earth.
He got the Soviets back though when he send his troops to Angola. Then it was the Soviets turn to to be furious!
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Cuban Missile Crisis
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The russians put missiles on cuban soil to get rid of american missiles in Turkey. They got what they wanted.
Keep in mind that the russians had a lot of nuclear-capable short range missiles on Cuba, ready for action. In case of an murican invasion the landing force would have been destroyed easily. Years later McNamara was told this, he was shocked. Kennedy and the other morons in the White House knew nothing about this missiles.
Keep in mind that the russians had a lot of nuclear-capable short range missiles on Cuba, ready for action. In case of an murican invasion the landing force would have been destroyed easily. Years later McNamara was told this, he was shocked. Kennedy and the other morons in the White House knew nothing about this missiles.
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Yes, if memory serves me right, they had over 160 nuclear warheads on Cuban soil. That's a serious number at that time!
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Hole wrote:The russians put missiles on cuban soil to get rid of american missiles in Turkey. They got what they wanted
If they got what they wanted then why did Kruschev get deposed for his failure during Cuban Crisis?
Why did USSR agree to keep their coward mouths shut if they got what they wanted?
USSR pussied out and ran away, after that the writing was on the wall
And USSR didn't have any nuclear warheads in Cuba, the ships that were supposed to deliver them turned around and ran away when faced with more determined US Navy
The rest is history
GarryB wrote:..If they try it again then use bigger ships and get right up close and do what they did to the Americans trying the same shit in the 1980s.......
Do what? Admit that their Navy is as valuable as Icelandic fishing fleet? Followed by admission of defeat and dissolution of Russian Federation?
If you have a warship and enemy vessel enters your territorial waters you open fire not play bumper cars like some carnival bitch
US sailors have fond memories of those ramming incidents, it was a proof that their enemy has no stomach for a fight and that American victory is assured beyond any doubt
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If you have a warship and enemy vessel enters your territorial waters you open fire not play bumper cars like some carnival bitch
No you don't.
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PapaDragoon won't be satisfied until he's allowed to clamber into a MiG to shoot down some Amerikanski bombers personally like Castro wanted to do.
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flamming_python wrote:PapaDragoon won't be satisfied until he's allowed to clamber into a MiG to shoot down some Amerikanski bombers personally like Castro wanted to do.
Are we having fun yet?
Got some bread line photos as well lined up, just say the word my pinko friend
Americans raise their finger and Soviets run away scared, every single time
Don't try to f*ck unless you have the balls to do it, otherwise you will just end up as someone's bitch and loving it long time as you can tell us all about from first hand experience
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Judging by the graffiti those guys are trying desperately to escape to the East! 
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PapaDragon wrote:
Americans raise their finger and Soviets run away scared, every single time
Then Vladimir Putin happened
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Mir wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Americans raise their finger and Soviets run away scared, every single time
Then Vladimir Putin happened
By then Soviets were dead and buried
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GarryB wrote:Remember Cuban Crisis? Russians and Americans pulled back their missiles but Russians agreed to keep American missiles being pulled back a secret because Americans demanded it
They lost that one and afterwards Americans knew they Russians are scared of them
First of all I think you will find that was the Soviets and not the Russians.
Second the whole situation was created by US nuclear tipped Jupiter missiles in Turkey was enormously destabilising... the action by the Soviets was reciprocal and balanced and it was the Americans who flipped out and acted all irrational.
The result was both parties removed their missiles, which is clearly a success for the Soviet Union... US demands to keep their withdrawal secret just proves it was a huge step down from the Americans... having jupiter missiles in Turkey ready to launch at the Soviet Union was an enormous advantage that they ended up having to give up completely... the Americans wanted it kept secret because it was basically totally humiliating for them... they blinked.... even at a time when they knew the missile gap and the bomber gap did exist but was in their favour by a wide margin... and they still caved like little girls.
We are lucky they didn't follow the generals advice and try a landing because in addition to IRBMs... I seem to remember they were SS-5 Serbs or something, but they had hundreds of tactical nuclear armed FROG rockets that would have obliterated any naval force that tried to land there... relatively small dirty nukes too...
Well, we are seeing it again today in the form of the Ukraine crisis.
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Actually I think what we are seeing is Russia coming of age and standing up to the west... they clearly realise their future is not with the west because the west is demanding total subservience... and while that might be OK for Germans and French and Brits, it is not OK for Russians it seems.
I think so far it has been HATO pushing the buttons seeing how far they can go.... well it seems it is this far... and if they want to push any further then they can expect some direct push back... and they will complain and whine and moan, but Putin has explained quite clearly Russias position, so if they keep pushing perhaps he might start by sending IRBMs and IRCMs to Cuba or Venezuela just to complicate US defence plans and make their costs higher and increase the risk they feel.
I think so far it has been HATO pushing the buttons seeing how far they can go.... well it seems it is this far... and if they want to push any further then they can expect some direct push back... and they will complain and whine and moan, but Putin has explained quite clearly Russias position, so if they keep pushing perhaps he might start by sending IRBMs and IRCMs to Cuba or Venezuela just to complicate US defence plans and make their costs higher and increase the risk they feel.
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Τhe secret US-Soviet deal that helped resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis was the dismantling of the Jupiter missiles deployed in Italy and Turkey. Actually Khrushchev was the winner of the crisis not Kennedy as it is consdered by many
The Jupiter Missiles and the Endgame of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Part II. Sealing the Deal with Italy and Turkey
It was the Jupiters in Turkey that had most aggravated Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev when they were first deployed, and their removal was essential to realize the secret deal
The Jupiter Missiles and the Endgame of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Part II. Sealing the Deal with Italy and Turkey
It was the Jupiters in Turkey that had most aggravated Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev when they were first deployed, and their removal was essential to realize the secret deal
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An example of why "consensus" means nothing. It is determined by propaganda and groupthink. As in politics, the same applies to medicine and science. Buyer beware.
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How Kennedy & Khrushchev’s secret correspondence saved the world from a nuclear catastrophe