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European gas imports
owais.usmani- Posts : 1825
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For all they know the Canadians might have sabotaged it... what are the chances of Orcs being in such jobs there...
Or is the real problem the US is confusing what it wants with what it needs... it might want to control everyone but when has that ever actually been the case... when have they ever been able to do as they please with no consequences and no resistance?
You might say forever, but equally everything they have done someone has objected and pushed back in their own little way.
The US needs open trade with the world and cheap energy and they are busy destroying that because they thought they were in charge and they wanted it to stay that way.
Ironically they are like a king that is getting more selfish every day and more mean to his subjects because he fears losing power... and his actions to secure power and foil and destroy any potential rivals is weakening his own power base and making him vulnerable because his subjects don't see any benefit from his rule... he is all about self gratification and could care less for anyone else.... even those that provide the good life he lives.
Old story... don't interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.
The problem is, that it is less and less what the US wants.
Or is the real problem the US is confusing what it wants with what it needs... it might want to control everyone but when has that ever actually been the case... when have they ever been able to do as they please with no consequences and no resistance?
You might say forever, but equally everything they have done someone has objected and pushed back in their own little way.
The US needs open trade with the world and cheap energy and they are busy destroying that because they thought they were in charge and they wanted it to stay that way.
Ironically they are like a king that is getting more selfish every day and more mean to his subjects because he fears losing power... and his actions to secure power and foil and destroy any potential rivals is weakening his own power base and making him vulnerable because his subjects don't see any benefit from his rule... he is all about self gratification and could care less for anyone else.... even those that provide the good life he lives.
Old story... don't interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.
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As long as I know that the money I pay for gas goes to Russia and it helps the Russian army kick Ukrainian Nazi ass, I'm more than happy to pay it.
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Not gas but electricity, not sure where to put this interesting chart on the downfall of the French nuclear industry, although no-one is calling it anything other than small fracture issues.
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The turbine handling has totally violated legal chain of custody. The opinion of some random Twatter prat means
precisely f*ck all.
precisely f*ck all.
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Helga Zepp-LaRouche
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The Spot Markets Putin warned the EU about:
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https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/energiekrise-drehen-wir-den-spiess-um-und-oeffnen-nord-stream-2-kolumne-a-f59e705d-5a9b-4457-aee0-ceceee6796cc
Let's turn the tables - and open Nord Stream 2
Who is still in favor of opening Nord Stream 2? Gerhard Schröder and Vladimir Putin are there, of course. Of course, the Chrupallas and Wagenknechts at the fool's hem of the republic: They would like to lick Putin's boots right away. It's all fairly transparent and therefore doesn't really matter, but is that the end of the matter? I'm afraid not. Because what happens when the next winter is hard and the gas ends up being scarce, and one morning Vladimir Putin says: »Nord Stream 1 is unfortunately completely broken now, but you can have gas from Nord Stream 2«?
A shameless lie that would be, no question, a nefarious villain. But that alone would not relieve the federal government of the need to react. So will the German government's answer be: We would take the gas from Nord Stream 1, but we won't take it from Nord Stream 2 ? According to a Forsa survey, even now, in midsummer, 66 percent of Germans would have no problems with the gas from Nord Stream 2. And they also know in the Chancellery: to reject Russian gas in the event of an acute bottleneck just because it comes from the “wrong” pipeline come - it will be very difficult. Nevertheless, a government spokesman recently said that Nord Stream 2 will definitely remain closed, and that the Chancellor “rules out” a change of heart. But is that wise?
Contractually agreed is the sanction-free procurement of a much larger amount of gas than is currently flowing (through Nord Stream 1). If more Russian gas came out of Nord Stream 1 than now, we would take it for granted. It is not for nothing that the Federal Chancellor stands in front of a Siemens turbine and urges its use in order to increase the delivery quantities that Russia is culpably reduced. Should the Chancellor bring more Russian gas into the local storage facilities in this way, he would have prevailed. But if it flowed from Nord Stream 2 into the same storage facilities, should Putin have prevailed instead? Hmmm.
The sanctions against Nord Stream 2 were originally intended to reduce Putin's gas sales, but apparently not to the current, very low level. Because otherwise Germany would not be allowed to ask for more of it and also take it. Furthermore, the long-demanded sanctions should prevent Germany's dependence on Russian gas from growing any further. As much as this point was justified to the disgrace of German politics (and many media), it has since been settled. You can't end a 55 percent dependency on Russian gas imports overnight, but Germany is demonstrably wanting to get away from Russian gas as quickly as possible and has already reduced dependency by around 20 percentage points. So can it still be said that opening Nord Stream 2 if necessary goes against the spirit of the sanctions?
The argument remains that one should not give in to Putin's political blackmail. The West must remain firm, keep the second tube closed, because otherwise you would lose all moral credibility. Nord Stream 2 open, that would be a "triumph" for Putin, they say. Alone: In my opinion, it is not the choice of the tube that is morally reprehensible, but buying Russian gas at all and filling Putin's war chest. The "blackmail" in the choice of tubes is a framing that resulted from a long-discontinued constellation, when the opening of Nord Stream 2 would have meant increasing Russian gas imports even further. There can be no more talk of that. So is it a question of honor or is it more of a complex compensation to stick to the unimportant when you're weak at what's important? The true goal will only be reached when we stop importing any significant amount of Russian gas. The goal will not be achieved if we block one pipeline while begging for more to flow through the other. This is undignified, contradictory and useless.
Once again: If the veto on Nord Stream 2 accelerates the complete ban on imports of Russian gas, I'll be there with no ifs or buts. But that's not the case. Instead, even with a temporary opening, it would be possible to ensure and guarantee all skeptics that the maximum speed in moving away from fossil fuels from Russia would be maintained. Germany would have to continue buying gas internationally at any price and Robert Habeck would have to curtsy in Qatar. The alternative supply system would have to continue to be crammed through like the 26-kilometer pipeline to the liquid gas terminal off Wilhelmshaven - even if the German Environmental Aid were to complain about copulating porpoise pairs.
The question is: What would be lost if the German government turned the tables and relaxed now on Nord Stream 2 - publicly and without waiting for the moment that Putin maliciously chooses for us? Answer: The federal government would succeed in a meaningful straightening of the front in the economic war with Russia. It would potentially bring more gas supplies to 19 million homes and countless businesses that they wanted and agreed upon. Above all, however, Putin would be deprived of a lever with which he hopes to propel us through the winter. And all thanks to one thought: gas is gas.
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That ass-licking maggot's argument is that it would be wrong to act in the interests of Germany and its population, because that would mean agreeing with evil Putin. He better has a good deal with his yankee owners to get airlifted quick when the shit hits the fan for real, scumbag...
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Let's turn the tables - and open Nord Stream 2
I get the feeling that he is trying to frame the German blockade of NSII was a Putin trap to secretly cut gas supplies to Germany and that a smart move for Germany would be to call his bluff and open up NSII so they get the gas they desperately need for their economy.
Personally I find it offensive... the whole NSII was built to bypass unreliable pipelines and to ensure growth potential for future EU gas purchase increases (volume not price per unit), and Germany and the west framed it as Russia trying to cut income for Ukraine and damage ties between traditional pipe route nations and Germany one of the main customers of the gas.
How dare Russia try to get Germany cheap energy that Poland and Ukraine does not get a cut of...
But now it seems it was all a trick by Putin to get the EU to cut its own throat and he is desperately scrambling for a face saving solution, which is always to blame Putin and Russia for all their problems despite Russia and Putin providing their solutions which they are so far refusing to take.
What a bag of dicks the EU is...
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GarryB wrote:
What a bag of dicks the EU is...
Sure it is, and that is more and more clear.
Covid hysteria already made a good proof for that, when the EU countries were busy stealing other's supply of protective means.
When the Russian doctors arrived Italy with help, Murican transport planes were busy transporting things robbed in Italy to the States.
Transfer countries like Slovakia blocked the cargo from China "for inspection", to never release it to an end customer in Italy.
European values strikes hard!
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As an energy buyer, I still think that they should abandon energy sanctions, open NS2 etc, in an attempt to dramatically increase supply to reduce gas/oil prices ahead of the winter.
Won't happen of course as to many influential snouts are in that trough. Just look at oil company profits through the roof.
Won't happen of course as to many influential snouts are in that trough. Just look at oil company profits through the roof.
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JohninMK wrote:As an energy buyer, I still think that they should abandon energy sanctions, open NS2 etc, in an attempt to dramatically increase supply to reduce gas/oil prices ahead of the winter.
Won't happen of course as to many influential snouts are in that trough. Just look at oil company profits through the roof.
I am seriously afraid that the thing is much more trivial John.
We talk about hurting the ego of the European ruling class, which Russians touched painfully.
It turned out with all strength that Europe is not as great as they thought.
Not as powerful, not as respected, not as stable and monoblock.
The things are being played with emotions now. This is why Europe will lose.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/venezuela-stops-oil-shipments-europe-alternatives-russian-energy-dry
Venezuela Stops Oil Shipments To Europe As Alternatives To Russian Energy Dry Up
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owais.usmani wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/venezuela-stops-oil-shipments-europe-alternatives-russian-energy-dry
Venezuela Stops Oil Shipments To Europe As Alternatives To Russian Energy Dry Up
Wonderful poetic justice, the EU getting strangled by the sanctions they placed against Venezuela before sanctioning Russia too
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If Juan Guaido was smart he'd look into Arabmaxxxing so the Europeans would have a viable candidate for the new Yemeni royal dynasty.Hole wrote:What is the stance of the EU approved President Guido of Venezuela on this matter?
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The Economist is a deep western state rag since its inception. I recall it being a big time Contra supporter during the 1980s. There
is no western approved terrorist that this rag does not support.
The imagery is imbecilic. U-rope is not little girl. It is a pack of hyenas together with the USA and Kanada. It was active in organizing
the breakup of Yugoslavia and supporting the anti-Serb factions like it is doing now in Ukria. The image of a stalking bear among a forest
of pipes is the sort of cheesy, intellectually insulting crap you would expect from hater zealots. Poor little U-rope is free to shop elsewhere.
Do I get to cry to the world about threats and blackmail if I don't like the prices and policies of my local supermarket? I don't own it and
its goods. Either pay up or shut up.
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The imagery is imbecilic. U-rope is not little girl. It is a pack of hyenas together with the USA and Kanada.
But the people of Europe are naive little girls, who believe the hyenas (US 1%) telling them they can't trust the evil Russians... all the people of the west are naive little girls thinking their governments will save them from the big bad bear.... whether it is Russia or China or Venezuela or Iraq or Serbia or North Korea or Cuba or Vietnam or drugs they define as illegal when some legal drugs are even more dangerous... but western people trust western media and western governments and all at the same time will admit they know they are liars and don't actually trust them at all.
I remember in the 1990s, the west was claiming country x has WMDs... talk to the average person on the street and ask... do you believe your government... no... they are a bunch of liars... next question, your government says country x has WMDs and is a threat to the world... what should be do... well invade them obviously... what if country x is Israel?.... ummmm ...ohhhhh... you see people in the west have been trained to not be openly anti semetic and now they are trained not to be openly racist either, but you are still expected to be anti religion and anti race when it comes to orthodox christian and Russian...
EUs coming winter peril is self inflicted and easy to fix.... just declare NSII certified and most of your problems are solved... it is not like you haven't already flip flopped on grain and fertiliser exports from Russia and selling aircraft spare parts to Russia for safety reasons... except it seems Russia is signing deals with Iran who make their own parts for western aircraft, so buying them from Iran instead of from EU or US companies sounds like an excellent solution to me....
And as they phase out western aircraft and start producing their own aircraft they could perhaps set up aircraft production in Iran and let Iran make parts for their planes... official licence production so the safety standards are what you expect... not that I think the parts they make are unsafe of course.
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ALAMO wrote:JohninMK wrote:As an energy buyer, I still think that they should abandon energy sanctions, open NS2 etc, in an attempt to dramatically increase supply to reduce gas/oil prices ahead of the winter.
Won't happen of course as to many influential snouts are in that trough. Just look at oil company profits through the roof.
I am seriously afraid that the thing is much more trivial John.
We talk about hurting the ego of the European ruling class, which Russians touched painfully.
It turned out with all strength that Europe is not as great as they thought.
Not as powerful, not as respected, not as stable and monoblock.
The things are being played with emotions now. This is why Europe will lose.
Yeah Europe the innocent red-riding hood
Never do nuthin' to no-one. Except sponsored a Nazi coup in the Ukraine and covered its ass for 8 years while it relentlessly shelled dissenting civilians
The level of self-worship and self-regard by the European bureaucratic elites is off the charts. They think the entire universe revolves around them
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One interesting observation, while watching the Mariopol reconstruction.
The building machines that are used there.
More and more are of Chinese and Russian origin.
The same applies to trucks - seeing a Kamaz is obvious, but FAW can be spotted easily driving along.
That sole picture my friends is a sign of how things are changing. How far and fast.
The building machines that are used there.
More and more are of Chinese and Russian origin.
The same applies to trucks - seeing a Kamaz is obvious, but FAW can be spotted easily driving along.
That sole picture my friends is a sign of how things are changing. How far and fast.
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ALAMO wrote:One interesting observation, while watching the Mariopol reconstruction.
The building machines that are used there.
More and more are of Chinese and Russian origin.
The same applies to trucks - seeing a Kamaz is obvious, but FAW can be spotted easily driving along.
That sole picture my friends is a sign of how things are changing. How far and fast.
Clearly it is more than just the origin of the equipment. The incredible rate of construction is unmatched
anywhere in the world. The equipment is almost an afterthought since Russia can make all of it by itself.
The Chinese equipment is just fair trade with China. At no stage did loss of NATzO and allied suppliers matter.
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kvs wrote:
Clearly it is more than just the origin of the equipment. The incredible rate of construction is unmatched
anywhere in the world. The equipment is almost an afterthought since Russia can make all of it by itself.
The Chinese equipment is just fair trade with China. At no stage did loss of NATzO and allied suppliers matter.
I am not discussing the rate of reconstruction, as irrelevant to this particular matter.
One of partner cities to Mariopol is Peter, and the amount of construction material, specialists&equipment is huge.
They rotate whole construction brigades in a military manner.
It is no joke bro.
But the tech they are using is another animal.
A few years ago, it was the very same pattern as for any European country - CAT, JCB, Komatsu, Liebherr ... a standard mix I would say.
Now, this proportion is turning - watching any random material, you will spot more and more botch Chinese and Russian stuff.
Most of the brands I don't even recognize, need to check them and turns out again and again that we talk about the Chinese ones.
And that is notorious in the whole of Russia, today I have watched the construction site of the new collider they are building, and the first excavator on the screen was ... XCMG.
That goes fast like thunder, and the replacement of European brands is gaining enormous impetus.
The very same scenario one can observe in the production lines, shipyards, all the places that consume a giant amount of specialized high-tech equipment costing tens of millions of euros a piece sometimes.
That will be an earthquake for the European machine business, which was one of the powerhouses of the Euro economy.
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