European gas imports

Aristide wrote:
What you say about racism like this?

"The browns are at it again"

lyle6 wrote:

Aristide wrote:
What you say about racism like this?

"The browns are at it again"

You are from philippines amigo. No matter what...no arab is as brown as you. On a sidenote, how is islamic philippines doing down in the south?

Aristide wrote:
You are from philippines amigo. No matter what...no arab is as brown as you.  

Or yellower, or whiter. We're the Uruk-hai of brown "people":

Aristide wrote:
On a sidenote, how is islamic philippines doing down in the south?

Being part headchopper myself I'd say we're doing fine. If we keep this up we'll have our own Chechen storm troops soon, then we could invade our neighbors too  

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

Not being rude here bro but you sound like I did in my late teens/early twenties.

TMA1 wrote:Not being rude here bro but you sound like I did in my late teens/early twenties.

The very fact that EU currently does evrything to stop NS II and to also cut trade with Russia completly proves me right.

Its a simple fact, Russia is a hypercorrupted facist regime. Do we want to depend on a hellhole like that? The answer is plain and simple: no.

Russia should also ask itself why all its neighbors try to escape its influence and run towards EU and NATO. Decades of tyranny, barbarism come to mind.

Its a core french interest to force russia out of european energy markets

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nord-stream-2-key-issue-talks-ukraine-crisis-frances-le-maire-2022-02-08/

Our dear overlords dont care about the corruption/human rights stuff that's just for propaganda and destabilizing nations not doing what the west wants them to do. They are upset at Putin because awhile back he shut down their ability to pick at the bones of an economically and morally crippled russia. He ruined their gravy train. Now I'm not a fan of Putin and yup there is corruption in Russia, same with the leaders in our managed democracies. No they hate Putin because he is not pliant. For some reason the western oligarchs feel that they need to cripple russia completely before they can truly work on China. Thry want to rule the world. Oh not in any obvious way. Thry want compliant leaders who cheer for "liberal democracies and free trade".

TMA1 wrote:Our dear overlords dont care about the corruption/human rights stuff that's just for propaganda and destabilizing nations not doing what the west wants them to do. They are upset at Putin because awhile back he shut down their ability to pick at the bones of an economically and morally crippled russia. He ruined their gravy train. Now I'm not a fan of Putin and yup there is corruption in Russia, same with the leaders in our managed democracies. No they hate Putin because he is not pliant. For some reason the western oligarchs feel that they need to cripple russia completely before they can truly work on China. Thry want to rule the world. Oh not in any obvious way. Thry want compliant leaders who cheer for "liberal democracies and free trade".

I saw Russia.was there 2 years ago and it was a horrible place.

Iran can supply 20% of Europes gas demands and thats a good start. As i said, there are many options to remove russia from the list.

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

No-one significant that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone.
Else you'll have to pay a 100% markup for such suppliers as the USA. Which Asia will certainly love as they're you're industrial competitors.
So my friend, it's in your best interests to do business with us.

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

None that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone

Its not like that nigeria with snow has a say over that.

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

None that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone

Its not like that nigeria with snow has a say over that.

You'll find that Russia has a lot of say when it comes to energy supplies, and the means to control their prices and routes.
And not a damn thing anyone in Europe or the US can do about it.

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

None that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone

Its not like that nigeria with snow has a say over that.

You'll find that Russia has a lot of say when it comes to energy supplies, and the means to control their prices and routes.
And not a damn thing anyone in Europe or the US can do about it.

You know what i find amusing? Iran, the country that was protected by Russia in last 30 years more or less...falls into russias back right now and offers itself as cheap alternative to russian gas. Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

Like it or not, snowy nigeria is pushed out of the market right now. And its a process that cant be reversed.

Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

And how and when could Iran do such a thing?

PortugueseMan wrote:

Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

And how and when could Iran do such a thing?

It already does by its proxy quatar.

Qatar itselfs has most of its stock sold in long term contracts to asia but miracously now ships gigantic amounts to Europe. Gas which is supplied by Iran. Iran needs money, Europe needs gas. Perfect match.

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

None that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone

Its not like that nigeria with snow has a say over that.

You'll find that Russia has a lot of say when it comes to energy supplies, and the means to control their prices and routes.
And not a damn thing anyone in Europe or the US can do about it.

You know what i find amusing? Iran, the country that was protected by Russia in last 30 years more or less...falls into russias back right now and offers itself as cheap alternative to russian gas. Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

Like it or not, snowy nigeria is pushed out of the market right now. And its a process that cant be reversed.

They're free to build a pipeline to Afbanistan

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

Russia is France's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Or Europe's main enemy since the late 1500s?

Russia saved Europe's ass a number of times. Not that there ever was this clear delineation between Russia and Europe; it was always a periphery state but it played politics right in its heart along with all the other empires.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

There are other suppliers.

None that Russia will allow to supply to you, if you continue with such a tone

Its not like that nigeria with snow has a say over that.

You'll find that Russia has a lot of say when it comes to energy supplies, and the means to control their prices and routes.
And not a damn thing anyone in Europe or the US can do about it.

You know what i find amusing? Iran, the country that was protected by Russia in last 30 years more or less...falls into russias back right now and offers itself as cheap alternative to russian gas. Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

Like it or not, snowy nigeria is pushed out of the market right now. And its a process that cant be reversed.

They're free to build a pipeline to Afbanistan

The LNG Tankers that currently ship iranian gas via Qatar to Europe are sufficent enough.

As i said, pushing snowy Nigeria down to 10% is manageable.

As much Putled dreams about USSR 2.0, this abhorrent monstrosity wont come back.

Aristide wrote:

PortugueseMan wrote:

Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

And how and when could Iran do such a thing?

It already does by its proxy quatar.

Qatar itselfs has most of its stock sold in long term contracts to asia but miracously now ships gigantic amounts to Europe. Gas which is supplied by Iran. Iran needs money, Europe needs gas. Perfect match.

Overall, you don't really understand the situation

Russia has the ability to inflate world gas and oil prices to x3-4 times their real value, just by spiking tensions here or lowering supplies there. It has influence in OPEC. It has close relations with a bunch of other suppliers; but it doesn't even need to employ those things.

And then Russia can simply supply the rival industrial countries it doesn't have any problems with, such as China, South Korea, Vietnam or whoever - with gas/oil at their actual value

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

PortugueseMan wrote:

Iran says it can supply 20% of EU gas supply and be a cheap alternative to Russia.

And how and when could Iran do such a thing?

It already does by its proxy quatar.

Qatar itselfs has most of its stock sold in long term contracts to asia but miracously now ships gigantic amounts to Europe. Gas which is supplied by Iran. Iran needs money, Europe needs gas. Perfect match.

Overall, you don't really understand the situation

Russia has the ability to inflate world gas and oil prices to x3-4 times their real value, just by spiking tensions here or lowering supplies there. It has influence in OPEC. It has close relations with a bunch of other suppliers; but it doesn't even need to employ those things.

And then Russia can simply supply the rival industrial countries it doesn't have any problems with, such as China, South Korea, Vietnam or whoever - with gas/oil at their actual value

It appears you dont understand the situation. We are the richest continent under the sun, Russia is a poverty stricken hellhole where large parts of population have to live under conditions unimaginable for anyone in western europe. I saw Irkutsk buddy, its an absolute shithole...)

So all this is relative meaningless, since its simply important to push russia gas exports to Europe down to 10%.

The LNG Tankers that currently ship iranian gas via Qatar to Europe are sufficent enough.

So you are refering LNG...

Is sufficient enough? And you say this based on what? What quantities are we talking about...?

PortugueseMan wrote:

The LNG Tankers that currently ship iranian gas via Qatar to Europe are sufficent enough.

So you are refering LNG...

Is sufficient enough? And you say this based on what? What quantities are we talking about...?

20% of the european gas supply can be fullfilled by Iran alone. At the moment 39% come from russia. In the last months russia did reduce gas delivery to europe in an attempt to force us to accept their rule over eastern europe. It did not work, europe stands united against russia and now wants to reduce gas imports from russia permanent. With Iran alone we can push down russia to 19%. Its a good start.

It can't.

We are talking for massive quantities.

Europe needs years to replace Russia. If Europe really wanted that, they could have started working on that for example in 2008, at that time Europe was screaming and saying it would replace russian gas.

Now, the reality is, Europe have NS I, NS II, and Turkish Stream. New pipelines.

The problem is not only the quantitie, is also the price, and security.

A pipeline is a compromise (a big one) between the seller and the buyer. You cannot divert a pipeline.

Europe will continue with Russia gas and have two major factors for that: european competitivity and the China factor.

PortugueseMan wrote:It can't.

We are talking for massive quantities.

Europe needs years to replace Russia. If Europe really wanted that, they could have started working on that for example in 2008, at that time Europe was screaming and saying it would replace russian gas.

Now, the reality is, Europe have NS I, NS II, and Turkish Stream. New pipelines.

The problem is not only the quantitie, is also the price, and security.

A pipeline is a compromise (a big one) between the seller and the buyer. You cannot divert a pipeline.

Europe will continue with Russia gas and have two major factors for that: european competitivity and the China factor.

NS II? Not operational and never will. France will make sure of that.