Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

The-thing-next-door wrote:Are there any photographs of the Gorshkovs with 24 UKSK cells yet or have they yet to be laid down?

The first ones were laid down only last year

China shut down several cities, and has been rather more restrictive than the US or UK, but then that has helped keep the death toll low...

Shutting down and isolating is a planned thing, it doesn't just happen naturally... they currently plan to lay down these ships... if there is a sudden spike in numbers with the virus they would stop work, but there is no reason to put everything on hold for a few years... that is just silly.

Severnaya Verf confirms the laying of two 22350 frigates tomorrow:

https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C24/

ultimatewarrior wrote:Russian shipbuilding is fairly slow. By comparison, China navy getting 8 Type 055 and Type 052D destroyers this year. Russia navy gets 1 frigate every 2 years. Russia will need 8 Gorshkov to protect 2 LHD.

i warned you multiple times. Bye

dino00 wrote:Frigates of the new 22350M project will receive 24 launchers for cruise missiles

Moscow. July 20. INTERFAX - The frigates of the modernized project 22350 will be equipped with 24 launchers for cruise missiles instead of the current 16, said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov

"Project 22350M differs from the ships of project 22350 in increased ammunition. 24 launchers will be placed on these ships instead of 16, which will significantly increase them combat effectiveness ", - said Manturov, quoted by the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=535149&lang=RU

I think he made a mistake and is only talking about the ships that where laid down today and last year, not the 22350M.

Yes today ships arent 22350M but upgraded 22350

Laid down the frigates "Admiral Yumashev" and "Admiral Spiridonov" of project 22350

On July 20, 2020, in St. Petersburg at PJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard (part of United Shipbuilding Corporation - USC), a ceremony was held for the simultaneous laying of two frigates of the modified project 22350 for the Russian Navy, named Admiral Yumashev ( serial number 927) and "Admiral Spiridonov" (serial number 928). Embedment board of the frigate "Admiral Yumashev" (serial number 927) of the modified project 22350, laid down for the Russian Navy at PJSC "Shipbuilding plant" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg July 20, 2020 (c) sun3-10.userapi.com / sdelanounas.ru



The ceremony was held via videoconference with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, who was at the Zaliv Shipyard LLC in Kerch. At Severnaya Verf, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov, Governor of St. Petersburg Alexander Beglov, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy for Armaments Igor Mukhametshin and Acting Director General of Severnaya Verf Igor Orlov took part in mortgaging frigates. The laid frigates will become the seventh and eighth ships of Project 22350, respectively, under construction by the Severnaya Verf Shipyard for the Russian Navy.

It is reported that these two ships, similar to the two laid down on April 23, 2019 frigates "Admiral Amelko" (serial number 925) and"Admiral Chichagov" (serial number 926) belongs to the modified project 22350 and will differ slightly from the first four frigates of project 22350 - in particular, they will receive reinforced strike weapons in the form of 24 vertical launchers of the UKSK complex instead of 16 on the first four ships.

Recall that the lead frigate of project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" (serial number 921), built at the Severnaya Verf, was laid down there on February 1, 2006, launched on October 29, 2010 and transferred to the Russian Navy on July 28, 2018 and entered to the Northern Fleet. The second frigate of project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov" (serial number 922) was laid down at the Severnaya Verf on November 26, 2009 andlaunched on December 12, 2014, its acceptance certificate was signed on July 15, 2020, and the official transfer to the fleet is expected on July 21, 2020.

Also at Severnaya Verf, the construction of the third and fourth ships of Project 22350 continues - frigates Admiral Golovko (serial number 923, laid down on February 1, 2012, launched on May 22, 2020) and "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Isakov" (serial number 924, laid down on November 14, 2013), and two ships of the modified project 22350 "Admiral Amelko" (serial number 925) and "Admiral Chichagov" (serial number 926), laid downApril 23, 2019. The laying ceremony for the Russian Navy of the frigates Admiral Yumashev (serial number 927) and Admiral Spiridonov (serial number 928) of the modified project 22350 at PJSC Shipyard Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg on July 20, 2020 (c) RIA Novosti



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4092402.html

Nice footage with a variety of aircraft as well as the ship in question...

Being a Frigate the Gorshkov wont be carrying many long or even medium range missiles... most of the missiles it will be carrying will be short range 9M100 and 60km range 9M96 missiles.

The Palma an Palash mounts are intended for fitting to light vessels and they are generally used instead of an AK-630 or Duet because the optical systems they use for targeting are pretty good, but unlike Kashtan and Pantsir they don't need two or three decks below for missile handling systems for reloading the missiles.

The mounts themselves are fully compatible with SOSNA laser beam riding missiles, which could probably be hand loaded if needed, but I wouldn't volunteer.

In a combat situation they might put 8 missiles ready to fire and when they are used up they are used up... shooting down 8 targets at 8-10km would be a good start to blunting any attack... the solid rocket boosters means the missiles get to max range in about 10-12 seconds so rapidly dealing with a few targets would actually be quite effective.

It is really only when you get to destroyers where you have ships that can defend themselves and think about defending other platforms, while a Cruiser is intended to protect and organise the protection of other ships... corvettes and frigates tend to look after themselves, though the electronics and communications means they would be able to share target and weapon and sensor information so two frigates together would be much more powerful at defending themselves than a single frigate with twice the weapon load...

The Sosna program has been much delayed which I've assumed to be the reason it hasn't been tested on Gorshkov yet.
But the more recent info shown of it comes across as much more emphasis on anti-tank than ability to intercept anti-ship missiles.

Would be interested to see any info you might have of anti armour use for Pine... it moves quickly but not anti armour quick...

Here is the manufacturers website... they have an english page but it is not ready yet... this is the Russian page:

http://www.tulamash.ru/catalog/8

It says on there:

The PALM anti-aircraft artillery system can be equipped with SOSNA-R anti-aircraft guided missiles with laser guidance and control equipment. The missile is designed to destroy aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, low-tonnage surface and small-size coastal targets.

But not for use against armoured targets as such.

These days I would add drones to the target list as these missiles are small and very fast and not too expensive.