The obvious advantage is that you have 4 times as many stored kills as in the current configuration (!)
Now I understand what you are talking about, but the problem I see is that these multi warhead missiles will be best for defeating unmanned targets.... ie they will be used by MiG-31s to shoot down already deployed cruise missiles in large numbers.
Deploying four warhead missiles to defeat one single target would be questionable because if it can defeat one of the missiles then defeating four of them would be likely too.
The only way to avoid that is not launching any missile at all, a wining strategy indeed.
There is a counter to every tactic... you have to make sure your solution is not even easier to counter especially if it is more expensive like fitting datalinks and terminal seekers to four warheads on each missile you carry.
That is given by the low pk of current MRAAM, and in your case you would simply waste 1/2 of the load of the fighter just to test the waters. Not a great tactic indeed.
My suggestion is nothing of the sort, my suggestion is TVC motor with a scramjet or three stage rocket motor so in the terminal portion of the engagement the missile can manouver like it is still in its short range no escape kill zone region.
No, VKS has a tradition of using salvos, because they actually want the enemy killed
They used missiles with different seeker types together to increase the PK... they did not launch enormous volleys of missiles except in tests that were filmed.
We are supposing that you actually want to hit the target aren't we?
That is right, but a normal ARH missile with backup home on jam capability is the best you can do because while jamming is occuring you can't get a clean missile lock on the actual target so only the jammer can be engaged, so the missile launched at the target will take out the jammer so a follow up missile can be launched against the target.
Of course in the case of a Soviet launch of missiles the SARH missile might lock on to the jammer, while the IR guided missile continues on to hit the target.
Long explanation for not finding nothing of worth against having two missiles complementing each other.
The missiles launched need to have different guidance methods and seekers for them to compliment each other.
Yes I knew the salvo works, that is my position form the beginning.
Not if all the missiles in the salvo use the same guidance which is defeated by the target releasing chaff or flares or a disposable jammer...
Yes, it is wasteful to launch one to not hit anything while the enemy is in range and can kill you, while launching a bigger one for an almost sure stand-off kill makes complete sense.
Real world results tend to show the opposite... smaller shorter range missiles tend to have better kill performance that bigger heavier longer ranged missiles... especially against fighter sized targets.
Call me a bad person, but I would prefer that the bastard does not come back tomorrow...
After the 4th or 5th time he might not dump his load... in the mean time you are doing your job and defending your target.
If your bays allow you for way bigger, longer range, higher pk weapons, only a retard would not try to make use of that and attack the enemy with high kill probability and while out of range, and go for either losing millions in "warning shots" or go to the merge where you can get easily killed.
But bigger longer ranged missiles have demonstrably lower PK... especially against a sophisticated enemy and most of the time the best you can hope for is a mission kill.
For instance in the example of the Falklands war, the British having Phantoms with Skyflash missiles could have loaded up with a lot of BVR missiles and used their radar and AWACS support aircraft to fly to a position where they could launch attacks on the Argentine aircraft with a decent chance of a kill but no danger at all to themselves because the Argentine aircraft didn't have any BVR missiles and were much less situationally aware.
The reverse would also be true where if the Argentines had MiG-23s with R-23R and R-23T missiles both of which would have effectively reached the Sea Harriers at ranges where their sidewinder missiles were useless, they could have launched from safe distances... allowed time for a hit and then turned away and disengaged with little to no risk.
Even if only 1 in 25 missile got a kill... and that is being generous because of the enormous IR signature of the Harrier would have made it horribly vulnerable, then they can fire off hundreds of missiles with little to no risk to their own aircraft... unlike the actual situation.
You talk as if Su-57 would only carry R-37M, while that missile does not fit the bays.
Who told you that?
It is a similar size to the Kh-58UShKE which is internally carried by the Su-57, and its replacement missile will also be designed to be carried by the Su-57 too.
A bigger longer ranged higher pk missile like the multiple warhead one would render the current US stealth fleet almost useless, since they don't have the bays to carry similar weapons and would need to carry them externally to avoid being shot down at stand-off ranges...
Can't help noticing the bigger heavier long range multi warhead missile shown above is based on the Kh-31 body which would make it rather bigger and heavier than R-37M...
You are making the case for the multimissile again
But only makes sense against seriously well defended targets that would require multiple hits to defeat anyway, or when there are an enormous number of targets and you need to whittle them down.
Against one fighter it makes more sense to launch two missiles with different guidance methods and then wait to see what happens before deciding whether to fire again or just close and engage with guns.
Depends on the amount of holes they have in the hull...
Multiple sealed compartments normally.
Again making the case for the multiple warhead as a way of increasing pk... I am saying nothing different.
Not really... a decent IADS will detect the missile and might intercept it during its cruise phase and shoot down all four warheads with one shot.
I think you would like to have scramjet AAMs and therefore are rejecting the idea. I think scramjet AAM will be expensive when they are available, in the mean time I think a solution with more conventional technology is needed.
A scramjet is a very simple concept and a very simple machine that will likely need to be very precisely engineered but wont be made of solid gold.... and kerosene fuel is much cheaper than solid rocket fuel in much larger volumes.
When someone starts with "Russia can't afford", you know what follows is most probably unproven gut feelings at best. All planes today are "stealthy" in varying degrees since all have signature reduction measures. And that trend will only increase in the future.
Russia can't afford an all stealthy fleet because no country on the planet can afford an all stealthy fleet... even the US is coming to realise the F-35 is not getting cheaper and as they deploy more their operational costs are going to cost more and more... there wont be any money for anything else.
Of course HATO countries wont have any problems meeting their commitments to 2% of GDP for HATO because the operational costs of the F-35 will eat that up...
They are no arsenal aircraft, just using the space that designers put in the bays
People keep comparing the number of aircraft HATO has with the number of planes Russia has and pretends there is an enormous disparity in favour of the west, but the problem is that those western planes wear multiple hats... they are both the aircraft Russia has, but also the multitude of SAMS and radars that Russia has too and they can't really do both jobs at once, so trying to strike targets deep in Russian airspace will lead to them losing quite a lot of their attack strength... but that attack strength is also their defence as well.
Russian fighters on their own would be a formidable defence but together with their air defence networks, it is HATO that is in trouble... especially when HATO airbases start exploding after being hit by Iskander and soon much longer ranged missiles of all types.
Shifting on to the defensive to protect themselves all of a sudden HATO has almost no attacking strength at all...
I proved before the amount of weapons a Su-57 can carry is roughly the same as Flankers...
Not while keeping its stealth characteristics, and they also have Flankers so they don't need to anyway.
you cannot shut down NATO with hypersonic missiles unless they are nuclear tipped.
The most efficient solution...
I have been saying that from the beginning...
But it wont. It is for engaging multiple targets like cruise missiles or a flight of bombers.
The multiple missile missile is likely to be R-37M based and therefore carried mostly by the MiG-31 and MiG-41... how many F-22s will it come across?
That too, that is what happens with good ideas, they produce synergistic effects.
More likely they are for attacking strategic cruise missile carriers... as the missile approaches its target the target starts streaming cruise missiles that it is launching so the already launched long range missile can start releasing secondary missiles to engage the launched missiles with any remaining warheads attacking the bomber itself.
^ It probably had nothing to do with a design defect. They've had enough prototypes to figure the design out. It was a cockup in the manufacturing process. Someone left a screwdriver in a bad place
IMO Russia should have kept it under wraps.
The flight control system for the aircraft will have millions of lines of code with thousands of modules all interacting and working together. The various combinations of situations and interactions that are possible are exponential and impossible to check... even with 100s of aircraft and thousands of flights.
The F-111 had a serious problem with its vertical tail surface that led to them losing quite a few the first time they used it operationally in the Vietnam war... it was developed and got into operational service with fundamental lethal problems with its tail... it is not rare at all.
Computer models and computer design is only as reliable and effective as the models it uses and no model will get the real world 100% right... that is why they take years to test these things.