The Su-57 is comming out nicely, too bad it is like a decade and a half too late.
If they had rushed the design it would be greatly inferior to what they have now and to be honest.... without 6 axis milling machines and new technologies and computers and designs it would have not been much different from the Su-35 is now... probably inferior in a few ways.
It would be like saying the Su-27 was late, but it was the result of knowledge and understanding of what the enemy aircraft at the time were all about... rushing it into production probably would have resulted in an aircraft that was not superior to the F-15 and F-16... which is what makes the Su-35 such a saleable commodity even today...
Obviously with the west being the aggressor then Russia is always going to be behind in terms of reacting to threats... but ironically not actually being the aggressor meant the west never bothered building the sort of comprehensive integrated air defence network that Russia how has, so the west has to talk about swarm drone attacks that they don't quite know how to impliment just yet... at a time when the west has no answer to Russian low flying subsonic cruise missiles and hypersonic manouvering ballistic missiles like Iskander that they have had in service for quite some time... which is to say nothing of the new generations of weapons they are introducing in response to the US leaving the ABM treaty and the INF treaty and threatening to use cruise missiles and ballistic missiles against them for decades.
The next step is high flying hypersonic anti ship and land attack missiles which are already in operational service, with a new generation of weapons on the verge of entering service and HATO can't even deal with the previous generation of weapons.
A drone/remotely operated fighter can be cheaper, smaller, stealthier, with wider op range, faster and more manuvarable. No way one can match that with manned aircraft with all the extra weight and G-force limitations.
Could be... but currently isn't. They have been promising drone fighters for as long as there have been drones, but they are not there yet.
With the recent news about the F-35, it's basically a guarantee that not only will there be more su 57's than F-22's, but also more su 57's than F-35's.
What sort of pathetic bitch would buy an F-35 now... but we already knew the other buyers were just buying because it is a necessary sacrifice to the god of war.... the US MIC?
But the obvious problems with the aircraft they don't seem interested in admitting let alone fixing, and the cost to buy and the cost to operate an aircraft which created the need for Russia to develop and introduce into service the Su-57....
It is like playing a bluffing game swinging plastic axes and daggers with fake blood to try to get your enemy to kill you.... think about what you win if you are successful?
The F-35 is a plastic mace and the Su-57 is a 12 gauge shotgun...
F22 was not a failed design. It just turned out to not be that necessary.
Of course it was a failed design... it was a cold war design that was completed and produced in a post cold war period... as soon as the cold war ended they should have stopped all their programmes and re-evaluated them and decided what was worth spending money on and what was not... they didn't.... they just ploughed on and developed things they were never going to actually need.... the commanche was probably the dumbest... take an attack helicopter and make it too expensive to use. Stealth means nothing to an attack helicopter... when was a helicopter last shot down by a radar guided missile?
One doesn't need 200 000 000 USD super sofisticated platfrom from which to bomb 3rd world failed states when you can do the same job with 25-30 000 000USD F16. It is basic common sense.
Now that those third world states might have Su-35s having a few more F-22s would actually be useful... but in their current form probably not effective.
And it's not funny at all. I still remember the images of the first flight back in 2010 and the great expectation and secrecy which surrounded the aircraft back then. AFAIR plans were to get first serial units by 2014 and have arround 60 units by 2016. It is 2021 now, how many serial planes are flying?
The ATF or advanced tactical fighter programme to replace the F-15 started in the early 1980s and it was not until 1996 that the F-22 first flew and a further ten years after that before they started serial production... the F-15 was out of production and were getting old... they weren't much newer aircraft like Su-30 and Su-35 aircraft being built at the same time...
The time frame they achieved seems to have outdone all of Europe... what 5th gen fighters did they develop?
I would say pretty damn good for a third world gas station...
I do think it is a capable plane, surpassing competition in some areas at just fraction of the cost...but again, it is just too late.
Funny, because I think it is too early... I suspect a delay of maybe 5 years and it would have new generation photonic radar and new engines and of course another 1,000 extra F-35s built which will be an enormous drain on the resources of the air forces forced to operate them.
Only problem is that by the time Russia could actually deploy the SU57 in significant numbers and also be able to export it in significant numbers it will not compete against F16s, Eurofighters or even F22s.
WTF are you talking about... an Su-57 will piss all over those bits of crap... the only western plane that even comes close you didn't even mention.... the Rafale, but even then I rather suspect in a real conflict they will find a reason to remain in France...
Check out ongoing and already flying projects such as XQ-58 or Boeing Loyal Wingman. This is the future. It is question of common sense, not feelings.
Yeah, the British government declared fighter aircraft to be obsolete and that missiles will do everything... that was in the late 1960s and early 1970s...
Lets see if Boeing can do better than they are currently doing with the F-35 and their civilian planes which also seem to have some serious problems...
The amusing thing you seem to be ignoring is the title... Loyal Wingman... suggests it operates with a manned aircraft... and also suggests the fact that if you are in F-35s then it is more likely you will be in the one operating F-35 and all the aircraft you are flying with will be unmanned... probably because all the rest of the F-35s are grounded or just too expensive to fly.
The future looks rather bleak in the US to be honest.
There could be a brieve period of maybe 5 to 10 years when manned and unmanned figher jets will co-exist, but at certain point manned fighters will not be able to keep up.
Well that is hilarious because the US has declare their 5th gen aircraft to be a failure and are looking at putting 4th gen fighters back into production.... likely at enormous cost... but you think in 5 years time they will be announcing they fucked up again and that 6th gen aircraft are the way forward instead.
Interesting, because that would be an excellent strategy by the US MIC to make max money from this debacle... tried overcharging for 5th gen F-35 but they saw through the smoke and mirrors and demanded a solution... their solution is to spend massive amounts of money putting previous generation aircraft back into production... so those cheap old 4th gen fighters will be costing as much as the new 5th gen fighters... but on the plus side they should actually work like they always did so that is a plus.
The next stage will be to look at what can replace the 5th gen fighters that Russia will have but they will likely retire as quick as they can... the damn things cost more to operate per hour than their B-2s...
Essentially 5th gen stealthy fighter programme by the US might have been to try to bankrupt Russia by making them buy lots of radars and SAMs... but they were buying and upgrading them anyway... what it has done instead is chipped into the US budget to the value of a few trillion dollars and resulted in aircraft that still need EW support and stand off weapons and still can't reliably penetrate Russian air defences from the 1980s...
Just like cavalary gave way to internal combustion vehicles back in the days. It would be stupid to invest money in cavalary units, no matter how cheap they are or how innovative saddles they have, when your enemy is building tanks.
Funny you say that because in some cases the cavalry charge on the eastern front was actually rather more effective against rear area units than a 32km/h little metal box called the T-26 that was their main tank at the start of the war.
The T-26 was a massively improved British Carldon Lloyd tank (Spelling)... it has a better engine and better drive train and the 45mm guns they ended up fitting to them was the best gun ever fitted to such tanks of that type. More importantly the British habit at the time was to have a vehicle armed with an anti armour gun and a vehicle armed with a machine gun... where the tank gun armed vehicle was a tank for killing tanks and the vehicle with the machine gun was for supporting infantry. The Russian versions had both the 45mm gun and the machine gun... but of course the same poor 2 man crew design.
Why develop something in haste, like the F-35, when there is no need and there are more important homes for the money?
Indeed, the F-35 is not properly tested... there are about 500 serially produced models and many are in service, but it is not a fully functioning aircraft... it is like a Microsoft operating system.... they have sold them... at full price of course... and are expecting the users to come up with problems and they will fix them as the problems are discovered... but it is worse than that because they are not bothering to fix the problems and they are not bringing out service packs and patches to solve the problems... it is just a feature that the plane suffocates the pilot...
Russia is not in the US's shoes, capable of pissing away pots of money created out of thin air on a seemingly unlimited credit card.
And honestly it is obscene that some are suggesting it is OK for the US to waste money and resources and screw allies like this.... because they can afford it...
4th generation fighters are coming back everywhere. And none of them can face the su-57. It turns out that chinese and russians handled stealth technology much better than americans.
Not a huge surprise because they could see the mistakes the Americans were making and simply avoid them.... they are building planes to defend themselves first and foremost.... making money is not THE priority like it is in the US.
nah it certainly is not too late. Russia does not need to seek parity with natosphere
HATO are super weapon fixated... the Su-57 and indeed the S-70 and Su-35 and Su-30 and MiG-35 as well as their massive air defence network are a combined force that will work together to defeat any attack directed at Russia.
Very simply the purpose of the S-70 was to make the fact that HATO was going to have 4K plus F-35s facing them a more realistic proposition... and together with S-400 and S-500 and S-350 missiles and all the other missiles I would think they were just fine... the thing is that HATO might have thousands of fighters, but they don't have air defence systems beyond a few major SAMs.... which means those thousands of fighters are going to be doing double duty... providing attack but also having to defend... a few hypersonic and subsonic missiles heading towards targets in HATO countries and that strips away half their fighters and half their AWACS and JSTARS platforms and half their refuelling aircraft too and suddenly their powerful striking capability is massively reduced and not nearly as formidable.
In fact in some areas quite vulnerable if you start hitting airfields and communications centres and troop concentrations.
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