TMA1 wrote:Hole wrote:kvs wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Can we get a discussion going how ridiculous it is that so many countries have "5th generation" fighter programs when they haven't proven that they're capable of designing and building indigenous 4th generation jets?
Japan: Has no indigenous 4th gen fighters but has a 5th gen program. Took the F-16, gave it an additional seat and dubbed it the F-2 and bloated the price out the atmosphere. The F-2 cost's $127 million in FY2009 Dollars, with inflation it costs $160 million in 2021. Imagine paying $160 million for a glorified F-16 lol!
Turkey: No indigenous 4th gen fighters of their own, has a 5th gen program, but also negotiating trying to buy Su-57's. What's even amusing is that their drones are literally pieced together from parts sourced all over the world, but they think they can create a domestic 5th gen fighter lmao?
India: Their 4th gen fighter is a stillborn abortion that's 30 years late, they turned down the FGFA(Su-57) program and now they're claiming that they can create 5th gen fighters? Fuck outta here! Their media's idiocy rivals the bullshit excreted by US/UK media concerning Russian MIC, but that's expected from those licking Anglo-Suckson nutsack. You go from being independent to wanting to be colonized again.
South Korea: No indigenous 4th gen fighters but has a 5th gen program.
Notice how Western media never once questions their ability to create 5th gen fighters despite never having successful indigenous 4th generation programs, but they lodge infinite amounts of criticism for the Su-57.
It's the me-too club.
I am sure they will also produce the bestest stealth ever.
At least their jets will be much better then this shitty russian Su-57.
...someone got salty very quickly! looks like a comment you'd see on f-16.net. the irony is that if I made even a milder criticism of f-35 on f-16.net id be banned in point zero five seconds. anyways...
Turkey's project is kinda silly. same with India's. SK seems to be goin an interesting route and is on course to realizing their goal. dont know enough about Japan's project but it will probably be very good and very expensive.
frankly the su-57 is very unique and isn't following the same paths as others. all I can hear are "muh one piece canopy" tier complaints, or "uv maws is so dated" kind of nonsense. the aircraft is front hemisphere oriented, and very aggressive. the EO and radar sensors are top notch. when I hear people bitch about su-57 for shit like "not having diverterless intakes" it makes my eyes roll. they all envision a Mach 1.6, chunky little strike fighter f-35 clone.
Obviously you don´t know what sarcasm is.